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Please read - Youtube vid comments
:twisted: During the tour it's natural that footage will be taken at concerts, the footage will find it's way to youtube, and will then find it's way onto this forum.
Please remember that the footage on youtube is shot on camera phones, and camera phones are not often used by the professionals who create DVD's. :wink: The footage is not the best quality, and very raw. Accept it for what it is. If you like the footage that's posted on youtube, great. Share how much you like it. If you do not like the footage, keep in mind it's quality, and that is unfair (in the most literal sense of the word) to negatively comment on Meat's performance based entirely on what you've seen on youtube. In fairness and out of respect, we would ask that any negative comments prompted by unofficial camera phone footage be kept off the forum. It's something that has repeatedly annoyed Meat in the past (helping to create the red pony), and caused many arguments on the forum. Personally I can't think of a single song that sounds better once it's been recorded on a camera phone and posted on youtube. I can't think of a single song that sounds better uploaded to youtube and played through computer speakers rather than be played on a CD/DVD. Meat deserves the benefit of the doubt, and the right to have his performance judged on the merit of footage that has been officially released. Thanks. |
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I hope everyone had a great time and there were cowboy hats a plenty for Meat's night in Texas. Stay safe on your travels everyone. |
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"If you like the footage that's posted on youtube, great. Share how much you like it." http://tinyurl.com/6sswtel |
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:twisted: OK. let me try and explain myself a little more clearly.
If somebody sees a bad quality youtube vid and sees something they like, then it does nobody any harm to say that they think it is good. If you see a bad quality youtube vid and you don't like it, it is only fair (IMHO) and respectful not too jump to any negative conclusions (and to share those conclusions on a public forum) about the state of Meat's voice. It prevents poorly formed opinions (and all opinions, both good and bad, are poorly formed from a youtube clip) that may (will) be offensive to Meat, and cause arguments on the forum. Is that really so much of a problem? :wtf: I'm failing to see the 1984 in all of this. :shrug: |
So, just to be clear...
If someone sees something on You Tube and they don't like it then they should give Meat the benefit of the doubt because, as you rightly pointed out, it isn't professional footage, it's been taken on cameras and phones and may not reflect the actual performance. But if someone sees something on You Tube that they do like then they should share it, because that footage - which is taken on those same cameras and same phones - is a true reflection of the performance? |
:twisted: Oh, one point I meant to add, The Mona Lisa might be a world renown work of art, but try taking a picture of it through a dirty camera phone lense from 100 meters away on a dark night during a fog :wtf:
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I've seen the post(s) that got deleted from the Austin thread and there was nothing "nasty" about them. One (!!!) person dared to express an opinion different from that of other members (yet in accordance with the - now obviously no longer valid :roll: - forum rules) and look what happened. :wtf: Were those posts something to be afraid of or why have you decided to suppress such comments? Quote:
I guess most people are able to recognize the difference between bad footage and a bad performance. Someone might even dislike a professionally shot HQ video just because the performance is not to their liking for whatever reasons. So that rule regarding YouTube videos appears like a pretext to me. I suggest we do not talk about anything related to Meat Loaf anymore. That way we're not in danger of saying something "wrong". :roll: Or maybe any thread on this subforum should consist of only one post (which has to be 100% flattering, of course) and you can do nothing but click the "like" button. |
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:twisted: Thread moved here from the Tour Talk forum.
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EXACTLY. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, YET IT HAD EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT. (I only wanted to show people what a good sounding Meat sounds like)
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You don't like the performance, yet you didn't see it. All you have seen is some camera phone footage. As I maintain, people who love a performance due to a badly shot clip may not be basing their opinion on the best media, but liking it is not likely to hurt Meat's feelings whereas saying his voice isn't as powerful (based on that self same badly shot clip) is something that would cause upset. Isn't Meat worthy of that small consideration? Really? |
For arguments sake what if the clip was of excellent visual and audio quality, but Meat was poor? :whistle:
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@ The Flying Mouse: How about introducing a rule saying that you're not allowed to complain about the fact that there are Meat Loaf songs that feature rappers. Meat Loaf could feel offended by it. Since you appear that considerate, I'm sure you like this idea. :twisted:
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Why? Because if the vid was DVD quality, i'm talking the best, and an 100% accurate representation of his performance, then it's something that speaks for itself. BUT......... (yes,there's a but) There's a part of me that also feels that a bootleg (and a bootleg it would be, as is any other youtube clip) is not an official release, and it's the work an artist releases that the artist wants to represent them. Put it this way, so see what a painter is like, do you go to his studio or the bin round the back? If it's an official release, I say that honest but respectful criticism is perfectly acceptable. This thread seems to suggest that i'm trying to make mlukfc into a 100% palace of perfect positivity. That, to be blunt, is crap. I was not in love with everything about HCTB, and was quite vocal about my dislike. I hate rap, I hate the raps on HIHB, and i've felt no hesitation in expressing how much I hate them. So no, I don't think this place needs to be full of unicorns that eat ambrosia and shit rainbows. But I do think that Meat deserves to be condemned by something better than a camera phone clip. As a side note, I think it's strange that I feel I need to justify my thoughts by mentioning i'm not 100% in love with everything Meat has ever done. That's sort of weird on a fan club :wtf: |
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Meat's choice to put rappers on the record is his. The choice to feature in a camera phone clip isn't so much in his hands. |
this whole thing amazes me. Id say if you disagree with someone deal with it. The person being "negative" isnt a bad person, but an honest one. Ive been too many times the negative nancy being disappointed with shit everyone else seems to love cause of my overtly critical mentality. There shouldnt even be a rule to begin with. I believe trolling should be the only thing that gets penalized in this matter, not being overtly "negative".
The most interesting discussions are the ones where someone feels something below par and they discuss what they think. Its interesting. You dont need to agree with it, but this is a forum. Some of meats biggest fans who love him to death are the most critical of him. Im lying to myself if i said Id take current meat over 1988 meat, but it doesn't mean meat still kicks freaking ass. Until Meat decides to set foot on this forum again, i wouldn't be too bothered if what you say offends him. hes a big boy and can take constructive criticism. hes gone here anyway. Its sad but true :( Now who wants pie :)) |
The thing is, there are low quality phones and cameras, and there are high quality phones and cameras. I saw clips on Youtube which were recorded from quite a way back and were obviously recorded on low quality equipment (you could just tell, because the whole thing wasn't great, not just Meat's vocals). I also saw a clip recorded from down at the front, on what was quite obviously a higher quality phone or camera, and the whole thing sounded great, including Meat's vocals. Comparing the two, I have come to the conclusion that the video recorded down nearer the front was the more accurate one. I think, in most cases, it is possible to tell whether it's the performance that's poor, or if it's the recording equipment that's poor.
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One other point a DVD is an official release as we know and has been in 99% of cases "cleaned-up", overdubbed, etc. before release. That is not a negative, a;most everybody does it. But that isn't a true representation. As some say "we have been down this road", thing is we learned nothing. Being told that if your opinion is positive share it, but if not STFU is a double standard. |
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Or, let's say if someone actually attended a show and had something less than glowing to say? I'm going to be totally honest and say that I've not been totally honest about some of my opinions in that regard. And, I don't mean that in a "bad" way, before anyone thinks that, I just don't feel free to express my complete honest opinion. And, if I may play Devil's Advocate for a moment, an official DVD is not always a 100% accurate depiction of a performance. |
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Surely the point is, whatever your opinion is, try and post with some consideration and respect. I agree with the Flying Mouse - that doesn't sound like too much to ask!
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