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faolteam 16 Feb 2011 23:58

Is what this person doing illegal
 
somebody is selling something on a certain web site its


MEATLOAF PROFESSIONAL RECORDED BACKING TRACKS,

there are other Artists too on the list

is this person just mixing from a cd

any clues :evil:

Wario 17 Feb 2011 00:41

No you can sell tracks you get made.

Ive sold my custom amnesty track for 30 bucks in the past a couple of times. haven't gotten my 180 dollars back plus profit, but its always for sale.

Monstro 17 Feb 2011 01:03

I beg to differ, I'd assume you'd need permission but at the very least there would be royalties to pay.

Wario 17 Feb 2011 01:15

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Originally Posted by Monstro (Post 538830)
I beg to differ, I'd assume you'd need permission but at the very least there would be royalties to pay.

depends on who you get to make your track. mycustomtracks has a thing were the track you get made is yours and you can sell it. If you were to put it on a cd and release it through a company or broadcast it then yeah, youd need to pay royalites.

If this cd the person is selling has tracks he got made, then he should have a right to sell them. though I dunno if all Backing track companies work like mycustomtracks.

But Then again ... CD-Rs are not allowed on most sites like ebay and such.

Monstro 17 Feb 2011 02:10

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf (Post 538831)
depends on who you get to make your track.

And whether they're doing it legally

Wario 17 Feb 2011 12:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monstro (Post 538836)
And whether they're doing it legally

True. :yep:

LucyK! 17 Feb 2011 15:05

Not following this...surely it would be illegal based on the fact that you're selling someone else's music without permission, regardless of where it came from? Even if you went right back to basics, surely the music from BOOH is Jim's music because he wrote it and has given permission to certain people to use it, so it would be illegal for anyone else to?

I think I'm going down the whole royalties/copyright route...

Monstro 17 Feb 2011 15:40

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Originally Posted by Lucy! (Post 538846)
Not following this...surely it would be illegal based on the fact that you're selling someone else's music without permission, regardless of where it came from?

Yup

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy! (Post 538846)
Even if you went right back to basics, surely the music from BOOH is Jim's music because he wrote it and has given permission to certain people to use it, so it would be illegal for anyone else to?

Yup


Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy! (Post 538846)
I think I'm going down the whole royalties/copyright route...

Which is a road that the above named mycustomtracks don't seem to travel down, saying that once they've made your track you are legally allowed to sell it and is owned by you is laughable, you may "own" that mix but you certainly don't own the copyright that the mix was made from.

LucyK! 17 Feb 2011 15:52

Exactly - it's like me making a handbag made from stolen fabrics and saying it's OK because I did the sewing :?

Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. Or anyone else's barge pole for that matter.

Wario 17 Feb 2011 17:20

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Originally Posted by Monstro (Post 538852)
Which is a road that the above named mycustomtracks don't seem to travel down, saying that once they've made your track you are legally allowed to sell it and is owned by you is laughable, you may "own" that mix but you certainly don't own the copyright that the mix was made from.

yeah you dont own the song but you can sell the track. for a brief 6 month window you have the custom backing track exclusively. not the song.

After that 6 month window, they put it on their site and sell it on a special download server for members.

But I only sold the track to some tributes who wanted it. Its not like you make money from it lol. Amnesty cost around 160 bucks to make.

allrevvedup 17 Feb 2011 17:22

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Originally Posted by WarioLoaf (Post 538860)
yeah you dont own the song but you can sell the track. for a brief 6 month window you own the custom backing track exclusively. not the song.

After that 6 month window, they put it on their site and sell it on a special download server for members.

doesn't sound right at all...they have to pay whoever has the rights to the song

Wario 17 Feb 2011 17:27

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Originally Posted by allrevvedup (Post 538861)
doesn't sound right at all...they have to pay whoever has the rights to the song

:shrug: they probably do. maybe thats why they are so expensive.

Paris Music does that too. Sean posted a link where they were selling the Los Angeloser backing track awhile back.

faolteam 17 Feb 2011 17:50

whats ur email warioloaf

Wario 17 Feb 2011 18:38

Actually, come to think of it what that person is doing, while probably not illegal, is most likely against the rules of whatever site their selling it on. I know ebay wont allow people selling custom CDs. I wouldn't doubt most places like amazon and buy.com are like that too.

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Originally Posted by faolteam (Post 538866)
whats ur email warioloaf


warioloaf@aim.com

If that's concerning the amnesty track, Its the Live Arrangement.

faolteam 17 Feb 2011 19:41

they dont mention Cd but i presume it is

Julie in the rv mirror 17 Feb 2011 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy! (Post 538846)
Not following this...surely it would be illegal based on the fact that you're selling someone else's music without permission, regardless of where it came from? Even if you went right back to basics, surely the music from BOOH is Jim's music because he wrote it and has given permission to certain people to use it, so it would be illegal for anyone else to?

I think I'm going down the whole royalties/copyright route...

The songwriter has the right to decide who records the song the first time, but once it has been recorded, anyone can record it without permission, provided they don't substantially change the melody or lyrics. They DO however have to pay royalties. So, as Wario has said, maybe this company does just that. I would think if you paid to have the track made, you own that particular track, thus you can sell it. :shrug: (Provided you pay royalties).

Monstro 17 Feb 2011 22:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julie in the rv mirror (Post 538894)
The songwriter has the right to decide who records the song the first time, but once it has been recorded, anyone can record it without permission, provided they don't substantially change the melody or lyrics. They DO however have to pay royalties. So, as Wario has said, maybe this company does just that. I would think if you paid to have the track made, you own that particular track, thus you can sell it. :shrug: (Provided you pay royalties).

But what they are doing is taking a copy written recording, for example Amnesty off WTTN, they're not rerecording the track they're using someone else's recording and by offering turn around in a few days there's no way they're getting permission off Warner to do that.

Julie in the rv mirror 17 Feb 2011 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monstro (Post 538900)
But what they are doing is taking a copy written recording, for example Amnesty off WTTN, they're not rerecording the track they're using someone else's recording and by offering turn around in a few days there's no way they're getting permission off Warner to do that.

Ah, so I misunderstood- I thought they were re-recording.

Then, I have no idea. :shrug:

Wario 17 Feb 2011 23:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monstro (Post 538900)
But what they are doing is taking a copy written recording, for example Amnesty off WTTN, they're not rerecording the track they're using someone else's recording and by offering turn around in a few days there's no way they're getting permission off Warner to do that.

they recreate the track without the vocal and they take up to two months to complete.

loaferman61 18 Feb 2011 02:44

Posts on here are more concerned about the law than my local police are about major crime. Geez people.

Pudding 19 Feb 2011 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucy! (Post 538846)
Not following this...surely it would be illegal based on the fact that you're selling someone else's music without permission

Not if the rights of the song were made public.


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