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The Flying Mouse

12 Oct 2008 19:27

Help from Germany please.

:twisted: During a speech in Berlin in 1963, JFK said"Ich bin ein Berliner".
Meaning - "I am a person from Berlin"

I've heard that JFK's German grammar was not all it should be, and that in fact, far from saying he was a native of Berlin, he announced to the world "I am a jelly donut".

Could some of our German pals shed some light on the correct literal meaning of the sentence

http://media.mlxxfc.net/jfk-ich-bin-ein-berliner.jpg

Ein Berliner?

http://media.mlxxfc.net/Berliner-Pfannkuchen.jpg

JFK?

Please god let this be true :pray:

R.	12 Oct 2008 19:40

To quote Wikipedia:

Quote:

In fact, Kennedy's statement is both grammatically correct[4] and perfectly idiomatic, and cannot be misunderstood in context. The urban legend is not widely known within Germany, where Kennedy's speech is considered a landmark in the country's postwar history.

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The citizens of Berlin do refer to themselves as Berliner; what they do not refer to as Berliner are jelly doughnuts. While these are known as "Berliner" in other areas of Germany, they are simply called Pfannkuchen (pancakes) in and around Berlin.[10] Thus the merely theoretical ambiguity went unnoticed by Kennedy's audience, as it did in Germany at large. In sum, "Ich bin ein Berliner" was the appropriate way to express in German what Kennedy meant to say.

You can read the whole article on JFK here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Berliner

I'm hungry now. :bleh:

The Flying Mouse

12 Oct 2008 19:42

:twisted: Hang on, so for people in Berlin, it's cool what he said, but outside Berlin he's a donut?

*hanging onto hope*

R.	12 Oct 2008 19:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse (Post 441719)

:twisted: Reality can be so damn boring :doh:

Did you actually read the whole Wikipedia article?

The Flying Mouse

12 Oct 2008 19:45

:twisted: I've edited my reply after a little thought on it :lol:

Thought i'd done it quick, but you were quicker.

See above :wink:

The Flying Mouse

12 Oct 2008 19:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by R. (Post 441720)

Did you actually read the whole Wikipedia article?

:twisted: B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD B^$TARD :bicker:

Asha	12 Oct 2008 19:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse (Post 441719)

:twisted: Hang on, so for people in Berlin, it's cool what he said, but outside Berlin he's a donut?

*hanging onto hope*

Kinda, yes

To not be ambiqious he should have said "Ich bin Berliner"

R.	12 Oct 2008 19:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Flying Mouse (Post 441723)

:lawl:

Sarahdk23

12 Oct 2008 19:53

Very interesting LOL

RadioMaster

12 Oct 2008 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil

Help from Germany please

God, weve been waiting to hear that sentence from you guys for AGES. :))

Monstro

12 Oct 2008 20:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadioMaster (Post 441732)

God, weve been waiting to hear that sentence from you guys for AGES. :))

Liverpool will take anything off anyone lol

mszee

12 Oct 2008 21:03

I can't believe this debate is still on...geez...it's as old as dirt in Berlin...

Skeleton

13 Oct 2008 07:31

Kennedy's error is widely known here in Finland.. :cool:

mszee

13 Oct 2008 14:03

:roll:

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