Has Meat gone?
 

Bearing in mind what Meat said on Facebook, following the death of Robin Williams, I guess he's decided not to come here anymore. :(

I wouldn't worry, Meat regularly takes his vacations from here, tends to find his way home after a while.

He's discovered Facebook as well, which is a great way to get his messages out to over a million fans, and he usually responds on there to many people. I've noticed he's on here less even when he is here, but that's ok. I'm excited that he's found multiple avenues to reach everyone online. It's very cool!

And right now he doesn't seem to have time for posting on the internet . presumably working very hard on the album. I think the last time he posted on his FB page was in the immediate aftermath of Robin Williams' death

Good...

Over a year on and still no sign of him. I guess he really has gone then. Shame. :(

Yes, although he may still return. Although with snarky comments like the one posted before yours, one wouldn't blame him if he didn't ..

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If he were on here now he'd be deluged with questions about the album. I'd prefer he concentrate on the recording and pop in if he wishes when he has something he can talk about.

Exactly...Last thing he needs is to feel all stresesd out because of all the people commenting on their decisions. He's such an empathetic person it effects him a lot, he wants everyone to be as happy as possible....I know because I'm like that. So im glad hes taking some space...I hope he does what he feels is right and what his muse and those close to him tell him and reveal it in it's complete form :-) It'll be perfect.

Meat Loaf needs to stay off of the internet.

Hire a PR person to post on internet forums, Facebook, etc...

Every time he posts I think less of him. This past year of him not being here has made me forget how childish he can be.

Lol this coming from the master of being childesh. :roll:

It's all a bit double to me. As an artist I think highly of him. As a person he can do things that make me like him a lot. Like Andy and Lucy's wedding in Vegas. Brilliant.

But as a person I wonder what is wrong with guy at times. Like his last rant on fb. It was incoherent, not factual and quite low standard. And so were a few of his replies to other fb users. If anything Meat seems low educated when he gets loose. He need better management from preventing him to go there, imo.

Then again, we might see a lot of Meat the coming year and a half. Now that his idiotic buddy runs for President. I listened to his speech and it was as incoherent as it was stupid. Meat could be his VP :D

And I'm not surprised ..

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I just watched a bit. Holy shit that Trump guy is completely insane.

These are the kind of people that rant and rave about how everything should be better in the USA for Americans but at the same time will employ poor Mexicans to build their hotels and buy cheap parts from China to build them with. They are in fact often the source of the exact problems which have been created.

Luckily all those republicans stand no chance against Hilary Clinton.

Excuse me? In what way? Because I dislike all of your posts?

He is my favourite artist, and as a showman and entertainer there are very few he's equal imo, he comes across as a great character on tv shows, interviews etc etc,,. But I've always said that's were it stops with me. That's all I know about him, I have always lived by a moto as such, what a singer, actor do or say in their other life is not my business. What way they vote, do they drink, do they like ketchup etc etc,, some people who have met him found him to be a kind and caring man, etc etc,, I'm not saying anybody should agree with me, or that I am correct in everything I say. But singers, actors, celebritys are all human too, good days and bad days. So I never presume anybody to be anything other than human. Warts n all as such.

Man I dislike this post so much I was considering reporting it. Why would anyone visit a site like this to read crap like that about themselves from an alleged fan. . Rude, disrespectful, and completely unnecessary. But if he reacts badly he's being childish. Ffs.

Ive never had so much mixed emotions about a post on this forum.

I feel it could've been put nicer but at the same time some of it is true but when it comes down to it the post was a tad harsh.

This is coming from someone who has been on the broad side before and it almost ruined me emotionally.

Still love meat no matter what.

I agree totally, it amazes me how on a FAN website stuff like that can be posted.

Wario I can understand perhaps why you have those thoughts and reasons, and everybody is allowed an opinion, of course they are. And I agree people need to look at what they post and how they post it etc etc,, BUT that is why I never let myself get too attached, as I have said before - I know Meat Loafs music, I know the Actor and celebrity. But again that's were it stops for me, maybe Meat tried to get closer to he's FANS!!! And interacted fairly often with us. Sometimes letting your guard down can lead to people overstepping the mark.

Report what?

Myself as well.

However I think don't think it's right to let someone get away with the stuff that they post just because I like their music. IMO his posts can border on immature, and they tend to make me think less of him.

It AMAZES me that people have blind devotion.

ML is a human being like everyone else. Therefore subject to criticism like anyone else when he makes himself look like a fool.

Blind devotion? Lol, if u go through my posts on here ( no blind devotion ). As I say I come here for Meats music related stuff. If I want to post stuff ( less positive as such ) there are better places to post it than on a FAN made and FAN run website!!! A website that the ARTIST is a member!!! I don't know Meat as a non celebrity as such, I just know the singer, entertainer, actor, I don't really care what he had for dinner? I have seen times were he has posted some stern replys on here, but mostly in response to being provoked. But that can be expected when the artist in question talks amongst the fans, it's the risk he has taken I guess? I usually post what I want on my facebook ( well within the law lol lol ). If Meat wants to indorse a candidate or post even something random? He is allowed to do so on he's own Facebook page. Of course he is in the public eye, but again I'm a fan of the mans music/films. Not who or what he likes? What he's favourite dinner is?

It wasn't really a response to you. I've been on many fan forums and most don't seem to care about criticism of the subject artist. Here, it seems to be more that people don't want to scare ML into not coming any more.

I don't really care about his opinions or his political leanings, it's more his vitriolic responses to people here and in other social media. It actually amazes me that fans defend it. I never saw anything like that AT ALL until I came to this forum and saw that side to ML.

In all honesty he has a right to do that, but I also have the right to think less of him because of it.

U do have that right 100%,, I know some people on here have had run ins with Meat. Mostly all resolved and in the end everybody lets off steam I guess. Now as for nasty posts? I myself have not seen many from him, or have I recieved any. But maybe you have in some cases? Back to the topic - maybe you could word things a bit better

As a newbie here...and I know this board has a long history, obviously. Sometimes I read things said and I wonder if I am on a fan site...i believe that everyone has a right to say what they want but at times it can be stated differently. I think theres a way of giving constructive criticism ..perhaps sometimes things are personal and should not be said at all.

I also understand that we do react to things that are said...i wont fault a person for a reaction. We're all human...sometimes i wonder if we expect others to be super human though and without fault. I doubt that is possible for any one.

Ill say this. I have a great respect for Meat as a performer and as a person and a human being like i do for everyone. I also have a huge respect for all that he has achieved in his life. I generally do have a huge respect for a person who has worked hard, done so much and given so much to so many people. I work in a different area all together but I would be over the moon if i can ever do so much for people in my line of work. I try to remember that whenever i think very critically of anyone.

My wife reacts the same when i tell her some of the stuff I read on here. It's not your typical "fan" site ;) However, you will find that there are many fans on here that ARE of the attitude of a more traditional site, where you would find respect for the artist and constructive criticism in a friendly way.....Many of us (and I'm hardly one to talk, having only seen a handful of concerts) have followed Meat his entire career and have been to many, many shows. And I truly look up to those who always look to the positive and give Meat the benefit of a doubt you would give your brother or mother. In any case, great to have more like minded people liek yourself on here, and I'm glad you mentioned it :)

I could have, but than it wouldn't have garnered as strong of a reaction...

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I don't have blind devotion. I have manners. And empathy. Google them if you don't recognise the words.

As you say Meat is human too. Which means he has feelings. So why not take that into account when you post.

I don't see anything I've posted which should offend someone if it isn't true.

I don't think people get offended based on logical consideration of the pros and cons of your argument to determine the degree of accuracy.

If you had posted that about me I would be offended because it is offensive.

Ohhh so u wanted a reaction? Attention as such? There are a lot of numbers you can call for that, they will have a sultry and seductive voice and you will recieve a happy ending:D

Most of Meats worst rants here have been deleted or edited by the mods pretty quickly.

I know of at least 4 people who left here because of arguments with the man himself and never came back. It's quite sad considering they all went to his shows, bought his albums and supported him until they just couldn't handle it anymore.

I've had several run ins with Meat too and I'd like think we were both equally wrong and argumentative at times.

Sure Meat deserves specific respect as he is the artist after all but I think everyone (including Meat) must take written word with a pinch of salt. It is very easy to read things out of context and take things the wrong way. And also as several mods often pointed out perhaps re-read your message and think about what you are trying to achieve before pressing "Submit Reply".

Interestingly all my PMs have only ever been positive with everyone on this board so I guess the opinion based posting can often come across as much more negative than people really are around here. I guess people often think quickly that people are ganging up on them and you can feel like a victim and this includes Meat.

Sure I've seen Meat post bad things but I've also seen him post the most honest and heartfelt posts of any artist I can think of. :-)

Repeatedly he has acknowledged the privileged position he has been and thanked everyone and also acknowledged his mistakes or problems. Quite humbling I think.

With regards to this hiatus I think he just wanted to focus on work and stop giving away too many secrets about the new album. That's all I remember from his last posts from last year anyway.

Andrew, you say:
You're absolutely right and I think this is the crux. Meat is extraordinarily hardworking and busy, and when he comes on line tends to read quickly. When he has mis-read or mis-interpreted something he feels is an attack on him he has been quick to apologise. Most of those involved in this present discussion have seen this. There have been other occasions when he has been angry (far less times than those when he has simply come on to share information) because his character, his basic integrity have been questioned or criticised, sometimes from a position where those criticising him do not know the full story, nor could Meat relate this without being unprofessional. Most of those who have done this know him well enough to be perfectly aware that he is passionate and emotional, and that he or his fans will rise to bait which is laid out. At the top of every page here we are asked to post with respect; applying words to him like childish, low-standard, low-educated hardly show that. Even if they are believed to be "honest criticism" they lack the level of concern for another's feelings that would demonstrate respect, and if they are posted simply to cause a reaction (whether from Meat or from his fans, who can then be described dismissively as blindly devoted, or hero-worshipping) it shows a lack of respect to Meat and to those who support him. It's not about what opinion one holds, it's about how this is expressed. I will describe an action or comment as rude, unwarranted or snarky .. my opinion of the person who might write such comments I will try to write with care, or keep to myself if I cannot find a way to do so. As Panic Lord says, good manners and empathy should not be ridiculed as blind devotion, and if one is going to state that Meat is a human being like everyone else, it's reasonable surely to state one's personal opinions about him with some thought to his feelings as human being like everyone else, or simply to write to him in person rather than post them publicly on the fansite which bears his name, or even keep them to oneself (particularly should these opinions be posted mainly to cause a reaction).

You also say
I agree, and most of those involved in this present discussion have seen this too, which is why so many of us do think he deserves respect and consideration for his feelings.

Like you, I think his absence is largely due to his focus on other things, and because he has said he would give no more information out about the album, and as someone pointed out earlier he would be besieged by questions if he did appear which he may not be in a position to answer, or may not wish to.

ALso think we should be thankful he even WAS here. Most artists wouldnt take the time of day.

I guess when an artist gets so close to he's fanbase, shit will happen. Pros and cons as such.

Certainly it can .. but some thought, some empathy, about what one says and how one phrases it could prevent much it it. To post something simply designed to provoke a reaction is unnecessary imo

As Warrio says, most artists don't invest time and attention in getting as close to their fanbase. That alone to me makes it worth treating him with respect .. even perhaps a little more care, because we know he is sensitive (as are many human beings) and it is rather special that Meat cares to and has made that effort :-)

Very true. I really believe some people just come here to cause and stur shite!!! :D
But the same stuff just gets posted and posted and posted, so what's the point?

Enough :lock:

I'll clean this when I've time