LETS GET PATTI RUSSO BACK IN THE NEVERLAND EXPRESS!
 

After Patti's post on facebook last week it is clear she isn't loving life at the moment. I'm guessing at least some of this is down to her leaving the Neverland Express.

Wouldn't it be great if she made a comeback as lets face it Patti gives the show and any record a real edge.

Meat confirmed he wasn't happy about her leaving so lets hope there is a chance that they can come to some agreement to get her back where she belongs.

What about the ladies currently in the Neverland Express? Should they lose their job through no fault of their own?

I have nothing against Stacey and Lisa but Patti is much better. She gave the performance of her life when I saw her in April. It's got to be the best non meat loaf concert I've ever been to. Meat if you can see this. Please do the right thing and bring Patti back to the band.

Never going to happen

The above posts make it sound as though a series of blunders led to Patti ending up no longer being in the band and it was all a terrible misunderstanding - it wasn't.

What happened was a very conscious decision, and whilst it was immensely difficult for those involved I really do believe it was the best decision for everyone.

Patti is phenomenal - as good as it gets in my opinion - but having seen both her and Meat this definitely was (like it or not) the right thing to do.

I agree with Evil One on this. Stacy and Cian are both phenomenal ladies. I have heard them both sing on several occasions and they are both sweethearts.

What ever happened between Meat, the band and Patti is their business and it is not my place to question the decisions they make. If they all agreed that it is for the better to part ways, then I think the best thing to do is to accept the decision for what it is and to move on with a bright outlook on the music and adventure that is yet to come!!

I agree with the above posters. Both Stacy and Cian are wonderful performers. I saw them several times with Meat and the band and they are awesome all of them.

Of course Patti is too, that is undeniable and I wish her all the very best but there is no way I could or ever would tell, advise, insist or state what Meat or The Band (or anyone for that matter) should do in their business. It is their business and there are reasons for all decisions made ...and in my view it really is none of my business!

Why don't people actually link to the quote or simply copy/paste it?

Patti will get out of whatever she's down about she has the talent to do so.

There was obviously a reason she was fired, and I say it was a good call. She's now her own entity.

The two girls, by all accounts, are more than good replacements.

It would make it easier to discuss wouldn't it?

Which quote?!

the quote doesnt need to be posted, take their word.

Like several others here, I agree with Evil One. I personally have not seen Cian's performance or heard her voice but I'll take the word of those who have and I don't think they deserve to lose their jobs through no fault of their own.

There were reasons behind Patti's departure and I think it was for the best. Her solo career didn't get off to a great start and that's a shame but unfortunately that's life. It doesn't always go the way we want it to.

I agree with Evil also, and with Lucy. Meat has recruited two great female vocalists. Patti is a great performer, and I hope she builds from her solo tour and continues to have every success. However, Meat's decision was always his to make, he will have had his reasons and that he keeps them to himself is honourable and proper.

It is not up to any of us to "get Patti Russo back in the NLE"; not our call, and as Lucy says, it was undoubtedly a difficult decision, but it was made and it is now history. Meat has moved forwards and been giving wonderful shows, is working hard on a new album, and will be giving us more wonderful shows. I am looking forward to them :D

I don't think anyone in the band (past or present) "deserved" to lose their jobs. Lyssa did a good job, but she was replaced by Cian. Imo, it should always be the best performer- whoever sounds best with Meat & has the best chemistry.

What Patti said that made everyone concerned that she was upset. I even saw someone tweet to her on twitter asking if she was ok...Something must have happened, and I suppose she wouldn't appreciate her status being shared on here since her facebook is closed to friends only (same as twitter). So it remains that we're discussing something we don't know anything about :evil:

I'm a little bit confused why you've chosen to quote me in your reply rather than Evil One who had originally said it?

I can see your point but should someone else basically be 'fired' when they were doing a good job because someone 'better' than them comes along?

There was something posted on her public Facebook page which said that this year had not been one of her best. I'll post the link to it if it's allowed but until then I don't want to be getting into any kind of trouble.

I'm sure this will go down like a lead balloon with some people here, but I don't have a lot of sympathy for her. She had one of the best jobs in the world, got paid for doing something she enjoyed and travelled the globe at someone else's expense for twenty years. Not many people can say the same.

If I lost my job I doubt anyone would give two hoots and I'm certain nobody would start an internet campaign to get me reinstated.

Patti's contributions to Meat Loaf's work are fantastic, but everything must eventually come to an end. The Neverland Express existed long before Patti appeared, and it continues to exist without her.

Yeah i feel ya...Probably best not to given what's happened in the past

I agree. And whilst we are not privy to the reasons for ending her contract, I think it's safe to say it wasn't because she couldn't sing and perform on stage, nor did Meat wake up one morning and think .. "What can I do today .. Oh .. I know .. I'll end Patti's contract!" Whatever reasons led to the decision are unlikely to have changed, so why should we expect the decision to be reversed?

The NLE has two new members who give great performances, just as Meat brought in a superb piano player and a great bass guitarist who do the same.

And until one of us is paying the salaries, it is really not up to us imo ;)

Whatever happened happened. Its in the past and everyone is moving forward. People make decisions and sometimes regret them.
As far as bringing anyone back to the NLE I would rather see the Goff sisters.

Thank you!

I agree entirely with what you say and it's something I've not been able to put into any kind of sensible wording myself.

As Caryl has quite rightly said, whilst we don't know the exact reasons for Patti's departure it's not going to be because she couldn't sing any more and these reasons are unlikely to have changed. Should Meat just ignore those reasons and terminate the contracts of two perfectly good vocalists just because Patti Russo happens to be unhappy about something?

I know that a lot of people loved Patti but she's not irreplaceable and nor does the NLE revolve around her.

I think it's pretty presumptuous to surmise that because Patti says she's not feeling great lately it must be because the NLE has left some great void in her as if that's the be all and end all in her life. Unless I'm mistaken she hasn't said anything at all to indicate that she wants to be back in the band. Given that the split didn't exactly seem to be on good terms, a reunion may very well be the last thing either Patti, Meat or both of them would want. If that's the case I've no wish to go see two people who no longer get along share a stage together.

Besides which, she's a grown woman and if that is what she wanted, I've little doubt she would approach the people who could make it happen herself. She's not exactly known for being timid, shy and reserved. As much as I'd like to see her on stage with Meat again, it's not really our place to project our wishes on to her or speak on her behalf.

I'm meaning this as a clumsy analogy rather than a comment on the current line-up, but to me that would be no more egregious than a football team buying a replacement striker who has form for scoring more goals than the current one. It's the end result that matters. Musicians get replaced all the time, for chemistry reasons, a change in direction of sound...That said of course there will always be contracts in place to be honoured one way or another.

Caryl said 'why expect the decision (to terminate Patti's contract) to be reversed'. The only rationale I can think of is because it has happened once before. Meat knows how much Patti means to the fans, so much so that he announced her previous return on national TV - as far as I can tell, a pretty unprecedented move, that showed that he is well aware of what a key element she brought to the shows. That said, the chances of it happening again seem slim at best.

I also don't think Meat has made his decisions lightly. I think he knows that the majority of fans who've been coming to the live shows for years like to see him with Patti. We know how much Meat cares about his audience and putting on the best show he can, so I can only assume whatever the reason is for them no longer working together, it must be a big one that he sees as insurmountable.

So basically you're saying that you don't have any symphathy for her because people don't care about you. Did you ever think that this may be the reason why... :twisted:

And what the hell as the consumer of the product known as the artist doing business as Meat Loaf are we doing??? Consumers purchase product generating the revenue behind the brand.

But not quite the same. The previous time she chose to leave, and later Meat asked her to return. He did not make the decision and later reverse it. Otherwise I agree with most of what you said.

You said, "I think he knows that the majority of fans who've been coming to the live shows for years like to see him with Patti." I think a significant number of people on forums like this may well do, but perhaps not the majority in the average 10K+ arena, and not to the extent that they are seriously put out by her not being there. Certainly the majority of fans around me at Newmarket were wholly unaware of any change; they had come to see Meat Loaf .. and that's what was delivered, just as it said on the ticket. On FB there are very few comments now about it. But I do agree that it's reasonable to think that whatever the reason was for her contract to be ended, it would have been sufficient for him not to seek to change it now.

What the hell are we doing? Discussing something in which we have no real say I think, for we are not in a position to make decisions as to who Meat employs. It's not quite the same as a product in my view .. manufacturers don't consult consumers about their manufacturing process or who they employ, and performers don't usually ask their fans to advise, audition, or decide on who to include as backing singers in their band.

No, you've quite clearly taken lines from two separate paragraphs in order to take my words out of context. I have plenty of sympathy for the child whose parents are killed in an accident, or the poor sod born without legs. However I do not have sympathy for someone who had a great job and then blew it by getting fired. Let's not tiptoe about the issue here, Patti's unprofessional behaviour led to her termination from the band.

Which confers no hiring or firing privileges to us the consumer. This is none of our business. Patti was awesome but she has gone. Deal with it and move on.

Ahhh, it was based on speculation. No worries then :roll: Carry on

Not at all, but relaying personal correspondence in public is not good behaviour.

Would you really describe it as "unprofessional behaviour" or a misunderstanding?

I know, but I'm also sure that your source was oposite to mine. It wouldn't surprise me if both sources carry equal weight (figuraly speaken) in the matter. And it's clear that both sources shared different stories to a close group of people. And with both sories so far apart it remains speculation ;)

BTW, I think both parties are better off with the decision. And a reunion should not be considered by either party

I would certainly describe it as unprofessional based on her public criticism of her previous employer. In a lot of cases, that sort of behaviour is seen as a no-no and is poor etiquette regardless of your reasons for departure.

I'm not entirely sure how you can post "Patti's unprofessional behaviour led to her termination from the band." and then follow that up with...

Do you think Patti's behaviour was worthy of supposedly being sacked by email? A quiet word may have helped without going through the formal route?

Unless you actually know what went on how can you say how the issue should have been dealt with? Meat himself said that it WAS more than one email.

I'm not speculating based on rumours, I'm commenting based on what information WAS out there at the time and it is entirely based on that that I feel that it was unprofessional of Patti to criticise a previous employer in such a public environment.

No, but they do often take fans' preferences into account. After all, happy fans means more tickets and albums sold.

This has been done to death, (suggest you seek out the previous thread if you missed it at the time). Not one email, and as you don't know exactly what led up to her contract being ended, what's the point in suggesting "a quiet word" might have helped? Apparently not.

What happened, what led to a decision, exactly how it was managed etc is really none of our business. It's one thing to bring some kind of rallying call to get her back (with which I happen to disagree, along with others) .. but to hash over again all the speculation about what happened, what else might have been done etc is just repeating the pointless speculation at the time.

I'm sure you didn't start the thread in order to do this .. but I cannot see the point in going over all the old ground and arguments again, when there are no further facts which can be posted.

this thread is so frustrating. I guess it speaks to how little has been going on lately lol...something to argue about...Yeah, we could all speculate for years and not find out any more. Hopefully Patti is ok and feeling better, and hopefully its nothing to do with Meat and the NLE. For all we know it could be a personal issue completely unrelated. It has all happened and all of this back and forth bashing each other's opinions and Meat and Patti's decisions is not going to change that. Hey, if we want some friendly debate, lets talk about the impending war between the EU and Russia. :-P

But as Panic Lord said .. being a fan does confers no hiring or firing privileges to us the consumer. He also said "This is none of our business. Patti was awesome but she has gone. Deal with it and move on." I agree completely. Fits with my philosophy of buying my ticket and getting my ass to the venue to see Meat Loaf, and leaving the decisions on line-up to him, playlists, arrangements etc to him and the band .. they do it so well ;) Worked perfect for me for 36 years, still does :-)

Saw plenty of happy fans in Vegas, expect to see many more when Meat tours the USA next summer, and many, many seem delighted and excited about a new album .. and one which has a whopping contribution from Jim Steinman :-)

A case of Patti Rue-sso

For a lot of people, myself included, what has become kind of known as brand "Meat Loaf", it is more than just the person. It conveys the singer, the funny performer and the songs of Jim Steinman and for a long period it also conveyed Patti Russo and certain members of the NLE who indeed have come and gone. Sure you can take all those other elements away and many fans will still flock but it's hardly surprising some fans would like to see a reunion etc. regardless of the reasons for the break up.

It won't happen I guess and because of the lack of touring dates in the future ahead there perhaps is little point from Patti's career perspective anyway.

For her own career she probably should have gone solo early 2000s /2002 and continue with musicals and ad hoc appearances whilst finding something for her self that could spark a career lasting beyond where she is now. It's always dangerous relying on others taking you places. You only get one life and have to sometimes question the path you are on I think. I'm actually surprised the touring with Meat in the UK lasted till 2013 as it did. People use the term "family" a lot when talking about colleagues and friends etc. Personally I see straight through that as it never seems just as a reliable setup as your real family usually is.

It was superb watching Patti perform solo and it is a shame if she doesn't headline on her own again. In fact in April she reminded me of how amazing it was seeing Meat Loaf for the first time live 17 years earlier. Effortlessly singing very controlled with so much power and at the same time giving a real connection to the songs and of course a lot of humour. My main criticism would be the language she uses at times. It also irritated me somewhat with Meat Loaf when he went down that route. Swearing before singing Object in the rear view mirror. For me personally it doesn't work. I have no problem with foul language but to me in a musical performance it seems an unnecessary way of getting laughs considering their performance talents.

It's a shame if Patti can't continue with a solo music career that pays her way. I sincerely hope she can put her voice to use, she also still has the looks I think. But if she can't make it through in that area well she shouldn't feel too bad as she certainly isn't the only one. Unfortunately this world is obsessed with youth and most people just don't listen to this type of music anymore, certainly if you don't have the name. In fact to me it seems that Meat Loaf tribute acts have more name value than say Patti Russo. It's pretty harsh but the reality in which we live and we can't really blame a few individuals for that I think.

we can say what we want but at then end of the day its not our place to call, only 2 people really need to know.

Your comments make no sense. She revealed that she was fired by email AFTER she was fired. When she was a member of the band, she never did anything to be considered "unprofessional". She rarely even posted on social media. In 2006, she never made any remarks about Meat and the Bat 3 situation.
Meat, himself, said on FB she worked hard and did a great job. Things change- was the only explanation given.
Patti said she has no idea why she was fired.


I think anyone with an empathetic heart can understand how difficult this situation is. Devoting 20 years of your life to a job and considering your boss and co-workers to be like family, then suddenly being fired and not understanding why.

Meat said that she was right to quit because he let somebody talk him into something that never should have happened. He also said it would never happen again. These are factual statements made by Meat that are on video.

http://youtu.be/t4xQVZ1oZFo

Obviously they fell out afterward and it did happen again except the second time she was sacked instead of quitting. I doubt Patti is looking to go back yet again and I do not blame her one bit - my personal opinion of course, in her shoes I'd probably not go back if I could. But I would never say never because it can come back to bite you.

That reminds me of an old joke by a Dutch cabaret artist who said he was talking to a famous producer who advised him "Yeah you shouldn't give a damn about the audience." "Which audience?" "Exactly". ;)

If my boss says "We are like family" I would say "yeah sure" but really think differently. No offence. Everyone is replaceable on this planet if you are in the business of making money. Even Michael Jackson is still releasing albums after he died 5 years ago. :twisted:

Meat has said this is not so, that the email was confirmation but not a single communication out of the blue. Yet you seem not to accept this

Yet you seem to accept this, as you say "then suddenly being fired and not understanding why"

This is what he said when he welcomed her back, and referred to bowing to the record company and agreeing to have Marion Raven on the featured single, and then for her to open shows and to sing the song with him during the show.

You do not know what led to her contract being ended last year, but it was certainly not a repeat of what happened which caused her to walk out before. "It" did not happen again.

Caryl, you have taken my comments out of context. I was replying to Evil One's comment about her being fired for inappropriate behavior and then saying the inappropriate behavior was revealing she was fired in an email. That makes no sense. She obviously didn't reveal her firing until AFTER she was fired so how is that the "inappropriate" behavior that led to her firing?

I am not suggesting it was their only communication. Patti has said she doesn't know why, Meat has not given a reason, so that is the only info we know for sure.

Correction:
He said "Unprofessional" not inappropriate.

Patti has every right to speak her truth and Meat has every right to speak his. Meat wrote an autobiography about people and events in his career (some pleasant and some not so pleasant). Was that unprofessional of him? Certainly not, nor is it uprofessional of Patti.

I don't see where "seeming to accept" what one party said means anything more than "seeming to accept" what the other said. We are always reminded on here that people "have every right to..." so is that selectively applied?

Both parties have their side and neither has said anything that reveals much in public. I assume that is their wish and we should respect that. If either does choose to speak they have the right to and we should also respect that.

I was taken out of context as to "it happened again" my meaning was that they obviously fell out again, not that events repeated themselves.

As I said IMO Patti isn't coming back and IMO shouldn't. But my opinion is also that she won't be asked

Did I read that right people attacking Patti on not being "professional" about the break up? Ahum... sorry that is quite something. I know many fans will always stick by Meat Loaf's side and that is fine but considering what went on here in August 2013 (and yes everything I'm sure has been been deleted but I cannot erase it from memory) I think attacking Patti on her professionalism is really beyond a joke.

I suspect I have been misinterpreted. I was replying to Adje when I said that revealing personal correspondence in public was not good behaviour. Meaning that I was not going to reveal in public what I've been told in private. I did not mean that Patti's unprofessional behaviour was email related.

You kinda just did...again...

I DO remember August 2013 and some of the comments made from some users of this forum. In my opinion, Meat Loaf was provoked by some of the angry comments which were directed at him and made by people who were not aware of the full situation.

You think attacking Patricia Russo on her professionalism is a joke? Well think what you want. I think her behaviour WAS unprofessional.

As far as I knew nobody was aware of the full situation outside of those on the inside. I'm not saying anyone would divulge anything here necessarily. But calling someone unprofessional on a public board without the readers knowing enough to judge makes me confused. It is like telling something, yet telling nothing with the charge of being unprofessional.

Why post any place public that someone is unprofessional without giving any reason why? No offense, but that kind of toes a line IMO.

Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, I'm sure everyone is guilty of making choices that perhaps weren't the best idea.

Patti posted what she did on Facebook on the night of the first racecourse show once news had broken that she wasn't there. Was it the greatest idea to post that, personally I think not, and if I remember rightly it was deleted soon after. That being said, Patti is free to post what she wants on her personal page, I know I do.

Similarly, we've all seen posts from Meat which have been posted in the heat of the moment, he himself has deemed them inappropriate (without people so kindly pointing it out!) and has asked for them to be removed, usually accompanied by an apology.

We've all made ~~~~ ups, do we need to disect whose were worse?!

I'm not pretending to know what went on and what led to her departure. I am calling Ms Russo unprofessional based ENTIRELY on the fact that she was criticising a previous employer in an interview to promote her own tour. I don't know about what's the done thing where you are but from where I come from, I have always been told that it is UNPROFESSIONAL and POOR ETIQUETTE to criticise either a present or a previous employer in the public domain.

I'd agree with that.

No we don't because if someone other than Meat made the ~~~~ up then it is always worse. Always. ;-)

And I'd disagree with that.

This thread was started with a request for a petition to get Patti reinstated. Like many others, I have said that I think this this is not up to us. I do not think Meat would have ended her contract without reasons, and the fact is that she is no longer with the NLE, and Meat has two excellent backing singers.

I would not seek to take away anything from Patti's significant contribution over many years, but as others have said, things move on. If her absence means some fans no longer want to see Meat Loaf shows, that is their choice, and I hope they get the chance to see her solo or with other bands. As you have said Andrew, there is one more tour planned, and I suspect this final USA tour will sell tickets. Rocktellz & Cocktellz sold tickets, and I am pretty sure London will sell fast too. And we have an album to look forward to, whether our main allegiance is to Meat, to Steinman or to both.

That this thread moves into a "He said, she said" is a bit pointless as we do not know the background, nor are we entitled to. I agree with Jenna's point about the interview Patti gave, and respect Meat for keeping his own counsel .. and none of that directly contributed to why her contract was ended, and speculating as to the reasons for that is just going round the same circle with nothing to base the discussion on.

Shelby Lee, I apologise if you feel I took your comments out of context .. I merely used them to highlight that people's points and views tend to be supporting one side or the other, because in the absence of the facts, that is what seems to happen. I cannot see the point in covering the same ground we did last summer .. unlike the film, we do not know what she did or he did ;)

It did this some time ago and exactly. We can speculate until there's compressed steam firing out our ears from frustration and anger at someone who doesn't agree with our opinion. Why not move on. We will not know answers beyond what we know now until someone closer to the conflict like a first or second hand witness can shed some light. I know it's gotten a little bit quite around here - a little too quiet :shock: But I feel that this "he said, she said" thread is something we've manufactured to keep ourselves entertained or something to that effect. Yeah, at least it gets us all talking again :-P But I'm sure we can come up with something that is both interesting, and full of facts we can debate. I love a good debate ;)

I misinterpreted your original statement. As for what one chooses to say it may be a poor choice indeed. But it is their choice, good or bad. The article I read briefly mentioned her side of the email statement was not so much a big deal to me though others certainly disagree. I have never seen the debated facebook thing so I have no idea if anything was posted there, so I have to go on what little I have seen.

If she received formal notice of her firing via email then what she has said is at least technically accurate, she never said there were other interactions or not.

I just think there is a lot of speculation which people are going to do and more than one version of the story apparently.

Meat has stated that he didn't enjoy working with producers (Desmond Child). He has talked about his problems with certain record companies. (Record companies pay singers' salaries.) Do you think he is unprofessional? Everyone should be held to the same standards, right?

For the record, I don't think he is unprofessional, nor do I think Patti is. They are merely discussing their careers in interviews, forums, social media. It is part of their life story- the bad and good.

If articles are true then Meat willingly made public statements too. Not a slam against him as he clearly said he wanted his statement everywhere. Also I do not slam him because most of us have said things in the heat of the moment. Plus Meat is a man of his word so I am just showing a public statement and how it can be interpreted (rightly or wrongly).

"I'm sorry, they're jerks. I do not like them," he said of the AFL, according to News Ltd reports.

"And I'll tell you what, anybody that I hear announces that they're going to play for them I'm going to write to that particular artist a letter and tell them not to.

"And I hope the AFL hears this and I want this everywhere. Because I will go out of my way to tell any artist do not play for them."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-10-2...-jerks/3595620

I highlight the above part of the quote to show it was his wish that it be used.

Although Jenna makes a very good point: don't speak badly of a former employer. I think it doesn't work the same in the entertainment industry as it does for the average Joe. The average Joe doesn't get constant media interviews with tons of questions which are usually more about personal life than professional since the professional life can be seen and heard unlike with the average Joe.

Even when it comes to the average Joe I went out my way once to make sure I did not say ANYTHING bad about where I was working in a job interview because indeed I was flamed on this when I was young once. Then I got told I didn't get the job because I wasn't passionate enough about leaving my current job as they thought I was only looking for a job offer to increase my current salary. :?

Also for Patti specifically her (new) part time employer (SAS band) certainly didn't seem to have a problem with Patti's side of things considering what they wrote on their Facebook page. ;-)

Still I agree that Jenna has a valid point but in practice I think the world is often different. I think it's best to be honest but try to stay tactful. So if your current boss is treating you like shit don't say everything is great and you love it there.

This WHOLE conversation is arguing semantics. Why?

I totally agree with you and whilst I think these individuals have the right to their own opinion about the people they have worked with, I don't agree that these feelings should always be made public.

In cases like this, I have usually seen advice which would suggest not saying much at all. For example, when asked in an interview why you are leaving a job, you could say something along the lines of the fact that you are looking for a new opportunity and then focus on why you think that company can provide you with that opportunity.

I know it doesn't always work out like that but unfortunately that leaves you more open to criticism.

Look would you give a healthy Dog an infection to help boost its immune system? No.

Patti and the NLE are fresher and newer now. Never wanna see them together again.

I do agree

I have to say that it's quite sad how ML has so many fights with his former colleagues. He'll often make up with them, but he sure seems to have lots of conflict.

It kind of makes you wonder...

People have disagreements with others, it's part of life. You just notice it more when that person is famous and you have more than just a casual interest in them. Besides, some of those disagreements may not have been Meat's fault.

Meat has also worked with a fair few people for quite a long time as well and are very complimentary of what he's like to work with.

Thanks to the great response to this thread. I've enjoyed reading everybody's views.

My personal view is its only human for Patti to voice her displeasure after allegedly being sacked from a job she held on/off for over 20 years. I don't think she said anything really offensive or did I miss something?

As previous respondents have stated Meat's outbursts against Desmond Child and the AFL were probably a lot worse. To personally criticise a world class producer like Desmond Child is surely worse than what Patti did.

I'm a big fan of both Meat and Patti I just hope they can resolve their differences soon :-)

In the end its a free country and everyone can express their opinion. If it comes back to bite them well then its their own doing.
Pretty pointless to go on about he said she said as it will never resolve an already completed process.
Time to move on.

I don't believe there is any evidence to support such a bald and imo wildly exaggerated statement. I have ended many employees' contracts, always with good reasons and never with a "fight".

Meat has a significant number of NLE members and crew who have been with him a good many years, and who always speak very highly of working with him, and usually unsolicited comments.

Indeed .. no point in continually forcing this duck's bill open and trying to breathe life into it! ;) Nor in using its lifeless body to keep having a pop at either party

Wow.... so this is still going, huh?

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The thread kind of turned into that but it wasn't the original question.

I'm surprised to see many people so sure of themselves that they won't be back together.

Sure it's unlikely, also from what I kind of deduced happened but at the same time a lot stranger things have happened and do happen in this world than their possible reunion, A LOT stranger!!!

A 'bald' statement? Is that british slang?

Jim.
Todd Rundgren.
John Parr.
Patti.
Desmond Child.

All that I'm saying is that he get's into lots of conflict with the partners that matter and IMO it's hurt his career. It's part of the reason why he had such a bad reputation in the 80's.

Perhaps 'Bad Attitude' was more than just an album title.

TIME TO MOVE ON!!!!!............................ SO WHO IS SAVING FOR THE NEXT RUN OF LAS VEGAS??????

NO

I gave up on that dream several months ago. I'm not going to bother to start dreaming when I'm only going to end up being disappointed again.

there are many different credit cards with lots of nice pictures on them :)

London will be first and I am SO looking forward to that .. then if there is another Vegas run I'll do my best to get there, though it might have to be minus the odd body organ ;)

as long as hot blood runs through my veins im still alive........ see what i did there ;) ...... im just to cool

Mine's a boring black one and unfortunately I couldn't afford to pay it off if I was to use it to pay for a trip to Las Vegas.

Until I win a lot of money I'm just going to have to make do. ;)

Sorry but the next lotto is mine

I am there! I am hoping to hit the East Coast when he does his final tour here in the states! You need to meet me in New York!! :D

By the time he hits vegas again I may have something saved lol

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dammmmmm right!!

I LOVE New York. I went in 2012. Unfortunately there's no way that I'll be able to make it out there again. :cry: :cry: :cry:

No Las Vegas, No New York just crappy old England. :(

Would that be the crappy old England that will host Rocktellz & Cocktails next year? ;)

I really didn't like NY .. buildings so tall, hard to see the sky;)

New York was different from anywhere else I have ever visited and there were things I disliked about it but it was also quite an exciting and interesting experience. From a purely tourist point of view England isn't anything like New York or Las Vegas and part of me thinks that whilst an international trip is stressful (particularly with the travelling) there's also something which makes it seem more exciting. I'm not sure what that is but it seems like a different kind of excitement than you'd get from a trip to England. ;)

That's why Chicago building codes require a certain amount of open space around tall buildings. :D

Come to Chicago next time, Jenna- I think you'll like it here! ;)

Chicago is on my list of places I'd like to visit at some point. :)

I don't really know much about the top sights to see there but that's the sort of thing you can research if you were planning a trip I guess.

Las Vegas has casinos .. that's pretty much it. They can dress them up with amazing lighting and effects .. but they remain casinos ;)

Perhaps familiarity is playing a part in your view of London .. but I would have thought it was a really exciting city for any tourist .. wonderful history, some amazing buildings still, art galleries, museums, theatre, parks. You can lose yourself, lost in wonder, in the British Museum for several days. New York has Central Park, has Broadway, and some great tourist attractions .. but London has many parks and squares. the West End, and many great toruist attractions also .. plus it is steeped in history, and I think has some of the best museums and art galleries in the world.

We have lots to see and do. If you're ever looking for advice, I'd be happy to help! ;)

FWIW, I wouldn't mind seeing London one day.

London hard rock is crap , is that what you mean Jenna ?

ME! I am planning to go to the USA, West End and if Meat is in Vegas then I will be there! Well, that is what my plan is! As long as I can and nothing comes up or changes here..then i am there! :D

keep saving :)

Possibly and although I don't mind the city, I guess the familiarity of it takes some of the 'novelty' away from it.

I've never been to that one. I went to the New York one, the Manchester one and the Edinburgh one but never the London one. ;)