Patti no longer with the NLE
 

Instead of littering the horse race thread with thoughts and anger about Pati's termination I thought Id start a new thread.

I am wondering why this happened. Why meat decided to "terminate" her, as she says on FB.

Thats harsh. I hope she didn't do anything or something

Sounds like its all going to come out eventually, maybe a book

You hope she didn't do anything? This is Patti Russo you are talking about right? As in one of the nicest women I've met?!

What I know is this. Meat has recruited two great female vocalists, who deserve to be congratulated.

I will remember Patti with great affection, and welcome Stacy and Lisa.

Oh boy. I hope this isn't going to be 2007 all over :(

Anyway, wonder if this means she won't be on the new album. I was looking forward to Karla, Ellen and Patti performing together...

Exactly. Meat's in great form, vocally and in terms of energy and fun. He has two great new vocalists. He will be putting on a great show tomorrow, and then in Vegas. That's what matters imo

Indeed! :-(

I have heard some of these blonde girls and they sound quite good, no Patti, but everyone is unique. I think these 2 are good.

I will miss Patti, but good luck to the 2 new girls.

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I think we have a spiral thread on our hands. Some of us will want to know, others will be pained having to look at it every day or threatened by the discussion.

At the end of the day, things phrased politely are not always polite. And things phrased rudely are sometimes far less offensive than something politely written that carefully implies rude things.

...Mod time...for which I am thankful ;)

I am gutted that Patti has gone. She has been with Meat for most of the time I have been attending shows, but for the short period she was not there I felt there was a spark missing , despite Aspen being a brilliant performer. For me the shows will not be the same.
We will probably never know why and speculating will not achieve anything, but what I will say is Patti is a lovely person.
I take it Patti is now the old pair of shoes that has to be replaced......

Thinking MEta just wanted a change of pace and a feel for 1987

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4xQVZ1oZFo

...He said he would never let it happen again. So if its true that this is '07 all over again, I'll be pretty gutted. Seeing the band just won't be the same if that's the case....But I'm gonna wait until we hear from Meat because I know he has a big heart, and I know what he said in this interview about Patti was genuine. So as far as what Patti said on her fb, which could have multiple meanings, I'm giving Meat the benefit of the doubt on this one.

I can fully understand why people are wondering and asking about this but we do not know the full circumstances that led to this and we may never know. Meat is not obliged to provide us with an explanation if he doesn't feel it is appropriate and I wouldn't expect him to provide one if he does not feel that it is appropriate.

My first reaction: WHAT THE F***K ??!!!!

My second reaction: whatever the issue is I hope they can work it out because I think Meat = Patti and Patti = Meat. They belong together and can't do it without each other, well they actually can, but it can never be the same. Patti is Meat's rock.

I'm actually quite upset about this. :bleh:

And a star to much in my shouting word :-)

I'm actually absolutely gutted about this. I love Patti almost as much as I love Meat. Regardless of what has gone on, Meat has now lost an outstanding female vocalist.

That was my point :)

I would like to hear the other side of this. I will miss Patti tonight though :(

Well said

I will miss patti

Just because we don't know the facts doesn't mean we can't wonder why such a mainstay of the band is suddenly no longer there ;-)

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Could someone PM me or something with what she actually said on FB? I don't have Patti on Facebook. I presume it came from her personal page.

Very sad to hear this, I love Patti x

I never suggested you shouldn't, just that people should bear in mind that we don't know the facts before pointing the finger of blame.

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I also don't understand why no mention of this in advance. Today it seems more posts are about Patti's unexpected departure than what was by all accounts a great show.

I will miss Patti, but ... I felt that there will be changes in the band. Why? Meat said that he will not be touring (= many concerts during tour) any more. What's more - he will have shows in Vegas (this year and perhaps next). This are two reasons to expect changes in the band.

Anyway ... I feel very :( .



PS. I Wonder if people had the same thoughts in the past when Amy and Elaine Goff left the band?

Now everyone knows. In the end it is Meat's decision and guess what. people have left the band over the years and that's how it is,
Remember, this is Meat's band and not a group. He can do whatever he feels necessary as he is the boss.
Very pointless to go on about the reasons why. Not our business. And now the show must go on.

Yes, indeed ... but as I said - I feel :( ...



PS. I think that Meat will try do his best even in the present situation.

There has to be more going on that currently we are unaware. You don't just sack your best ever female vocalist for no reason. Perhaps Patti was making unreasonable demands? Perhaps she had issues with Meat's management? Perhaps Meat is just being a ~~~~~~~? Until more facts are revealed I'll keep an open mind.

I do hope there is not a witch hunt against the new ladies though like there was against Aspen. It's not their fault that they are not Patti. I've seen some videos of yesterday's show and they weren't bad. One of them was clearly shitting herself but then it's their first show so that's to be expected.

And for the record I don't think Aspen was that bad either. It wasn't her fault Patti left. It wasn't her fault Meat was old, ill, pissed off and uninterested.

Variety is not a bad thing.

Anyway, who are these new ladies? Where have they come from? Do they have names? :twisted:

Agree with all of this .. and keeping an open mind !

Now everyone knows. In the end it is Meat's decision and guess what. people have left the band over the years and that's how it is,
Remember, this is Meat's band and not a group. He can do whatever he feels necessary as he is the boss.
Very pointless to go on about the reasons why. Not our business. And now the show must go on.[/QUOTE]


WOW! I will miss Patti.

I absolutely believe in mixing things up but I wasn't a fan of Aspen. Can't wait to see what Vegas will bring! :D

When I go to a Meat Loaf show, I personally spend just as much time watching the others on stage as I do Meat Loaf himself. The entire package of what is being presented on stage is of paramount importance. I remember watching the life of the show being sucked up by Renee Cologne. I did not physically attend shows, but from what I saw on television and product that was officially released, I did not enjoy what Aspen Miller brought to the table. That said, IMHO there has never been a more perfect foil who brought unique dynamic tension and professionalism to the stage with Meat Loaf than the stellar talents of Ms. Patti Russo. I will fully admit to going to see Meat Loaf to see Patti on stage just as much as seeing the big guy himself. This does not make me any more or less of a fan of his work than someone who attends shows just to watch Meat Loaf and nothing else - it doesn't.

Thank you to Patti Russo for all of the years. I will miss your beautiful presence on stage with Meat Loaf, but I know there are other opportunities around the corner for you. One Door Opens.... You will be missed lovely lady, you will be missed.

I am shocked because for me Patti is without a shadow of a doubt the best female vocal that has ever worked with Meat, she is the only one that has been a match for Meat vocally and in stage presence. I really can not understand why Meat would ever consider not having the person he once termed as his rock on stage with him.

Please leave facebook status's etc in facebook.

So many aspects of this situation will probably never be known. All that we as fans can really do is wish all involved the best in their endeavors and look forward to what the future holds.

Best of luck to Patti, you will be missed.

Roll on Vegas

I agree with all of that Mark :)

I feel sad that Patti is leaving. She and Meat look so beautiful together doing all the duets . I thought they were amazing together.
Of course it is Meat's decision but I buy the albums etc and can say I'm said if I am.

from HCTB, "..... there would be no me without you ...."

could someone put a link to patti's facebook ? all I can find is the wiki page.

Search on Facebook :)

Am I alone in thinking 'Patti's Termination' isn't the best title for this thread? On the plus side Wario correctly used an apostrophe. :lol:

nope!!

Every story has two sides and no one can judge or have an opinion without knowing both sides. So I won't judge or give an opinion, it just wouldn't be fair, it wouldn't be right.

The only thing I think is strange is the way of communication about this (or should I say the lack of communication). It wasn't mentioned at all and it just came out of blue, but maybe there's even a reason for that.

Anyway, I've been thinking about it whole day now...
I love Patti, she's the best singer Meat's ever had and she's a very nice lady too.
I've only bought the live albums if Patti's on it and no other female singers instead of her (except of course before she entered TNE) She's that important to me being a Meat fan.

Well after looking at what patti posted on Facebook, I can see why people want to talk about it. It's a shock and she has been a huge part of the neverland express for years and years. Now of course people should show respect when they post something etc etc,, it's obviously a raw talking point at the moment. But I think people can express their views 100%,, and I am shocked at the news, it's come as a surprise to say the least. Now I don't know the full story just like the rest if you on here, but I'm a fan of meats music and from what I have seen and heard from him over the years hd comes across as a nice person etc etc,, patti the same. But she posted what she did on her very own Facebook, so to me and anybody else who seen it? - she was fired I think? Sad but true,, my world will not end and life goes on for sure, but I will say this = me being a fan of a musician , is exactly that. I'm a fan if he's music, I'm a fan of some if he's movies etc etc,, I don't know him personally, infact I don't think anybody does on here? If he makes decisions outside of he's music or acting I don't really care, he has he's private life and as do I, so I don't care what he does outside of music and acting, of course I wish him good health etc etc,, but I do agree with some people's posts, some of the arse kissing and Staunt defending of meat is not needed ( not on this subject anyway ). People are just surprised by the news and want to air their views

Imo ... Meat doesn't owe any explanation ... Patti was the one who put personal business out on social media... so... imo ... it's on her to explain ... :shrug: ... said with all respect ... I've always liked the persona of Patti she allows the world to see... and enjoyed immensely her interaction with Meat on stage ...

I agree, If meat does not want to explain? I don't mind, patti put it up true. Then again she maybe feels she has every right? Etc etc,,,, now all I'm waiting for is the new music

I'm all for that !!! ... :up: ...

That makes no sense.

You are saying if someone gets fired from a job then it is always up to that person to explain? That's just crazy. :nuts:

Personal business? She is not performing on stage, for everyone to see. It's hardly personal to inform us why she is not there. She could be dead, sick on holiday or indeed fired from the band. This is exactly what she told us.

ML certainly does not have to explain to us why he terminated Patti, but I would think he would . After all, we are his loyal fans. I would think he would offer something to us.

Maybe the reason Patti posted it the way she did & when she did was as a pre emptive strike to stop her facebook page being flooded by people asking her why she was not on stage with Meat.

If her or Meat want to say why it happened they will when the time is right.

I am not sure why Patti is no longer with the band. I do not think it is my place to even give a suggestion as to why Meat and Patti parted ways.

The only opinion I feel I can give is that I do not believe this decision was made lightly, or hastily, for that matter. It does not make sense on a business level that (whomever makes the decision to hire and fire band members) would fire someone who is such an integral part of the team on a whim. I am sure many hours went into this decision.


With that being said, I respect Patti and Meat's privacy.
If either of them feel the need to say anything publically they will.

I welcome the newest editions to the band and I am excited to hear them sing in Vegas. I am sure this can't be easy for either of the women. To come into a new band and only have a couple of days rehearsal time before doing their first shows and then go into a 6 week stay in Vegas. They have big shoes to fill and I think we owe it to both women to show nothing but support, respect and excitement!

:up:

Can't disagree with above comments in general, but still feel that he'd say something about this to his most loyal fans. Patti is not just anyone, she is Patti Russo, the other half of most of his best duets.

To say nothing of the people who paid bloody good money for tickets expecting what they thought was the NLE as they knew it.

I don't know whether the email was to inform or confirm .. and I'm not at all sure anyone here does. This is what I'm getting at. Inform would suggest it comes out of the blue .. confirm would suggest it came after discussion. Does anyone know which was the case? I don't. I have no idea what communication there was between Meat and Patti, but like Yevonda I think there will be a lot we know nothing about. "Termination" suggests to me more the ending of a contract, something that wouldn't be done on a whim, and usually not without often protracted discussion/negotiation

I do understand people are upset. Even angry and hurt that Patti has gone from the NLE; I understand that too. It's just not imo best to guess when you're short on information.

But again, as we don't know who was involved in what, when, or how it ran etc we don't know what Meat would be in a position to say, even if he wanted to discuss such things with his fanbase. The forum is open to anyone who applies to join. Journalists for eg could join and read anything here once registered, not just his most loyal fans. There is a bigger picture.

This is a bit out of line. That is not what Sue meant.

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Thanks, Melz ...

YouTube Video

Thanks White for putting up that video.
I guess all that is left is the postmortem and some crying.
Breaking up is hard to do.

I'd love to know the url of Patti's Facebook! Call me technologically impaired, but I can't find it!

If it's against the rules I'll keep looking!

:twisted: Jesus Tapdancin Christ :shock:
This is a hell of a shock, to say the least, and also extremely sad news :sad:

I think it's perfectly natural for fans to want to talk about this, but at the same time can we keep speculation to a minimum please?
It does little to help when emotions are running high.

Can I also ask that we all post in a mutually respectful manner.
There are several issues being raised on this thread. Patti's termination, weather this thread should even exist, and should we, as fans, feel entitled to any explanation from Meat or Patti as to what has happened.
Obviously people are going to have very different views on each of these subjects, but please post your opinion (and respond to the opinions of others) without resorting to any demeaning comments.

We don't know the reasons and circumstances behind Patti's departure, at what level it was suggested and decided, when it decided, and how much Patti was made aware of what was going on through prior correspondence.
That said, I would personally find it incredible if Meat himself would not be involved in decisions governing his own band :wtf:

Until such time any explanation is offered answering some of the above questions, i'm not about to vilify Meat or condemn Patti.

To Patti - I (and 1000's like me) love you very much.
You've been a big part of our journey for the last 20 years, and it's very, very sad to see your time with the band come to a close :sad:
Your onstage performance is overshadowed only by your gracious offstage manner when meeting fans.
Don't worry too much though. You're quite a talented lass :wink: , and i'm sure you won't be out of work for too long.
Our loss is some other lucky b@stards gain.

It's a sad day to be a Meat fan :sad:

To Meat - (without sarcasm or irony) I'm sorry to see you lose one of the biggest assets you have.
I'm sure you know yourself how valued Patti is in the hearts of your fans, and how much she brings to the table with her performance.
It can't be easy to see her gone.


To the new blood - Welcome to the party, ladies :up:
Patti is a pretty hard act to follow, and I wish you both the best of luck in making the roles your own.
You'll be overanalysed, criticized, and Wario will make wild and improbable statements about what you'll be performing, but we only do it because we care :mrgreen:

nick,
i have the same issue, TC. It is under Patrica Russio .
The pic is one with her looking downward wearing yellow.

Nick, I hope you found her page, she is not wearing yellow but dark brown. there is a bit of a yellow cast to her picture.
It is bad luck to be the last poster on a thread, someone post after me, please. :|

:twisted: OK :mrgreen:

I think she's taken the post down.
I think it was a good move on her part to do so :up:
You can either tell your side of the story, or say nothing.
Posting one fact without any additional background info can lead to a lot of speculation :bleh:

Yes she did, yesterday, saying it was time to put things to rest



Agreed on all counts

In the last few weeks, when Patti was already out (she received the mail in late july) Meat posted several times on FB showing pictures of the band reheasing, announcing repeatedly the UK dates and the Vegas shows.
But no word about changes in the band. He probably knew fans would have a bad reaction to the news Patti was out. Patti herself posted in the same hours Meat was onstage again, as if she waited until the very last moment for a public announcement that never came.
I'm not saying people have the right to know the name of every person who will take the stage, as Meat Loaf is not a group but a solo artist with a band. But I do think that an announcement by Meat introducing the new singers, and saying (at least) "Thank you Patti", was the proper thing to do.

And that's a guess. No-one knows why she timed it as she did.

And whilst I defend your right to hold and express that opinion, I also defend Meat's right to make his own decision based on everything he knows, which is a lot more than any of us :-) We are fans who follow a performer and these who appear with him. He operates in a bigger business world about which we know a very limited amount.

Nobody here wants to tell Meat what to do.
Just saying that an announcement about what he had decided would have been welcomed by the fans. At least, by this fan.

an announcement wouldve ruined the atmosphere of the show.

prolly why patti waited till the night of.

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Not best Rock n Roll band in the World but pure amateurism at best.

You fire your female singer (for 20 years) 3 weeks before you play 2 shows in the UK.

You get two singers that, in those 3 weeks, only get one rehearsel(???) And therefore they didn't perform very well (and I don't blame them the least bit for it). Basically you deny those girls a fair entry to a dissapointed part of your fanbase as well.

You refuse to make an anouncement, despite the knowledge you have about the love, the majority of your fanbase has for the female singer. While having 3 weeks the time to come up with a decent goodbye message.

WOW...

Easy to agree, no artist whatsoever would have made that kind of announcement before or during a show.
There's the official website and there's the facebook page, and there was plenty of time to do it. Obviously, the choice was not to do it.

You were at the shows? I was at Newmarket. They performed extremely well. They got a BIG round of applause .. no weak or disappointed sympathy vote. And frankly most of those around me in the crowd simply accepted them as part of the show. As to rehearsal time, surely that was down to the lead time to find and recruit and then, most significantly, to have the band all together for live rehearsal.

Anyone can post here that based on a YT video they thought the singers were .. what was one phrase? "Shitting herself"? I was there. Yes, I could see a little nervousness on occasions .. first time in a household name band before 10K people .. for sure, I'd expect that even if they'd had aa month in rehearsal. Denied a fair entry and not perform very well? In my view, as someone standing in the front with my friends, that is simply not the case .. and my friends agree with me. These singers are professionals, very talented, and contributed fully too a great show.

In the 27K odd numbers of people who saw those two shows, how do you know that a significant number of them were disappointed .. or even taken aback?

I know that there are many, many regular fans who know and love Patti, and who will have been disappointed. But I truly do not believe that they were the majority of the vast numbers there. Many there were seeing Meat for the first time ever, or the first time in many, many years. They simply got a Meat Loaf show that they thrilled to.

This is what happens when people closer to the personalties involved than the bulk of the audiences being played to are disappointed, hurt to see a singer they love is not there (both understandable), but then make judgements based on very limited knowledge of everything that has led up to a situation.

I do not know all the facts. Imo neither does anyone else here. I will miss Patti. I will miss the tours. I saw a fantastic show at Newmarket, surrounded by thousands of people who were singing along, cheering, applauding, buzzing with excitement and fun, and having a wonderful evening. That I witnessed. And if anyone was there and says the crowd were disappointed and not thoroughly enjoying themselves .. well, I'm sorry but they are deluded or prevaricating.

And I do not know all the facts and issues that needed to be considered when making that choice. I doubt anyone else here does either.

The only thing that needed to be considered was the respect owed to the people involved and to the fans.
Even if Patti asked a million dollar a show and was put aside for this, she deserved a public thank you. No rocket science here, just politeness.

Curious... and curiouser... I wonder... what would have happened ... say ... Patti was there... and Meat wasn't but filled in by one of his ... tribute singers... :twisted: ...

I suspect the comments section on Youtube would be considerably different for a start. :lol:

I have a million and one thoughts on this, most of which I'm not prepared to post. The only thing I will say is that I think the situation could have been handled better.

Of course we were all going to find out eventually that Patti's gone, but personally I think people finding out when the band came on stage was the wrong way to do it. It didn't need to be a big announcement or anything major, just a quick line on here or on Facebook along the lines of "Patti will no longer be touring with Meat Loaf, we wish her well for the future. Now let us introduce Stacey and Lisa..." would have been enough. That way everyone could have had their inevitable discussions and debates, but Newmarket would have been a brand new day and we could have been ready to welcome the new girls.

As it went no-one knew, so Stacey and Lisa, who were not only under-rehearsed but understandably very nervous came on stage to a "welcome" of turning heads and mouths hitting the floor as the realisation hit that Patti was gone.

I'm not saying Meat owes an explanation for the reasoning behind Patti's departure, but knowing that she'd gone before Newmarket would have been nice.

If you want to read the deranged ravings of a particular tribute act, yes. Otherwise you're really whistling in the wind.

Though I suspect not universally. Many of those behind me hadn't ever seen Meat, or not for years, and were not shocked at all.

That I understand, I really do. I just remember that there may be more complicated issues around the situation for Meat, which may have swayed a decision. We just don't know. I have been in the position where the nice thing, the polite thing, would have been to say something or make some announcement, but I was unable to for a specific reason. It happens.

*Patti said she was terminated by email at the end of July (which is roughly 2,5 to 3,5 weeks before the shows in the UK = an average of 3 weeks) *FACT


* Meat stated here that the girls had one rehearsal. *FACT

- And despite the fact if you think they did or did not perform well (I give you that this is a personal opinion that I share with many people I have contact with - most of them attending one or both shows btw), Meat must have rememberd how Aspen got received. Or more so, how the response was on missing Patti on the band. And with this knowledge you don't throw them before the lions with one practice round. If you are a pro and if you care for them, the performance and the audience you take longer practice time. If you are a professional that cares for your performance you make sure you get more than 1 rehearsal in 3 weeks. It can be done, if you really want it to. Instead of working on the Vegas shows, work with them on these two shows as it's their first introduction to the crowd...

*No announcement was made *FACT

- And, even if it's his right to not do so, thus reactions like this (again, remember the first time they departed in 2007) were to be expected. Meat knew the emotions of those fans and yet decided to ignore them. It's a choise he made. But don't come 'boo-hooing' on here as if it's no big deal. It was a big deal then, so it's no surprise it still is a big deal.

Whatever Meat's issue with Patti is doesn't erase the contribution she has made to this band for two decades. Its interesting that he saw her return to the band as so important to the fans that it was worthy of announcing on national TV, yet her dismissal at a time when many were making plans for Vegas, wasn't worthy of so much as a Facebook update. I don't regard Patti as some interchangeable sidewoman, and any future shows will be depleted by her absence.

What a sour note for things to be ending on..

My thoughts on the subject: From what we all know (which, of course, isn't everything), Meat seems to be a very nice person (most of the time!) and Patti seems to be a very nice person; I'm pretty sure (not 100%, because that isn't possible!) that there will be a logical explanation for this.

Ps. I've 'liked' and 'unliked' quite a few posts about this - that was when I was in an 'emotional' state! My above comment is made from my (now) logical state! ;)

I don't know if there will be explanation :shrug: ...
So I have hypothesis: maybe there were quarrel about fewer concerts in the nearest future (= less money; or = less publicity)? :shrug: Or maybe there were quarrel about new type of shows (Vegas)? :shrug:


PS. This two hypothesis are only hypothesis. ;)

* The email Patti referred to. Would not the termination of any contract need some final confirmation, whether by snail mail, telex, fax or email? I have not seen the email, so do not know who sent it, nor what precisely it contained. It may have been a final confirmation of an agreement for all I know, or come at the end of a series of discussions. Perhaps you have seen it? To me it's a fact that needs a lot more surrounding it before I make a judgement

* Meat stated here that the girls had one rehearsal. Whether there was any possibility for longer rehearsal time I could not judge without more of the facts. I suggested some of the issues. My own view is that recruiting the right singers would be the priority, and the right singers could deliver to standard with limited rehearsal. The two chosen proved this to be the case imo. It is also my opinion that Meat and Stacy and Lisa ARE all pros. They carried it off successfully. How caNn we know whether in the timeframe there could have been more rehearsal time? I do not know enough facts about the commitments of everyone concerned etc Do you?

*No announcement was made. Not disputed. I merely said I do not know enough about the entire situation to deliver a judgement that one could or should have been made. I am sure Meat expected the kinds of posts that would be made. His world is a bit bigger and more complex than this forum. I do not know what else he had to weigh. Do you?

I take exception Adje to your comment "But don't come 'boo-hooing' on here as if it's no big deal." I have stayed calm, clear and remember that we have very limited knowledge of what has happened. Why that should be dismissed as "boo=hooing" defeats me. I have repeatedly said I understand people's disappointment, and that they feel hurt. As to whether that excuses anger, blame and condemnation of Meat, .. we clearly have different views.


Given the response from the thousands in the audiences at the racecourses (I was at one. I have spoken to others who were at Newbury) I do not think it was as big a deal to large numbers, arguably most, of them. They came to see a Meat Loaf show .. they got a damn fine one.

I don't think we can reach any mutual understanding or agreement.

With the idea that this is a Meat Loaf fan club I have a few questions.

1. Why are you making the assumption that Meat made this decision? This is business and there are many players and persons of interest in business decisions.

2. Why are you assuming that Meat sent the email? In the post Patti made (and now subsequently taken down) never referred to who sent the email.

3. Why are you assuming that Patti was hit with the news out of the blue and this was not something that had been discussed for some time?

4. Why are you acting as if this wasn't a difficult decision that needed to be made?

Meat and Patti worked together for 20+ years. Don't you think this decision hurt both Meat and Patti on a personal and professional level. Now what does Meat have to see when he comes onto a website that is suppose to show support for him, a load of negative comments. Instead of everyone being negative why don't we all stop attacking Meat and stop attacking fellow fans on this forum and just wait to see what happens. If a public announcement needs to be made it will be. Until then I don't understand why we can't take everyone's feelings and privacy into consideration.

A debate that's been had a thousand times before and I'm sure will be done a thousand times again.

Speaking generally, yes this is a Meat Loaf fan club but that doesn't mean that its members will like and agree with everything that Meat does. I'd imagine that applies to every fanclub in the world because we're all human with different feelings and opinions about things.

With regards to the Patti issue specifically, I agree with the points you raise, we actually know very little and now that the new band is in action we're not likely to find out (certainly not any time soon, anyway).


At the end of the day this whole thing has happened, it's not changing and we, as fans, have two choices - we can accept what's happened (whether we agree with it or not) and stick around, or don't accept what's happened and leave.

i think as fans we should accept what has happened and move on if you want to continue supporting meat loaf then that's up to you as an individual to make your mind up but as a reasons why it has happened is no of our business but when i first heard the news i was upset but felt i couldn't be angry at meatloaf as i love his music so much and now it has sunk in i wish patti all the best in what she dose next and also i wish meat loaf all the best and i will continue to support meat and the band and also patti too

1. I guess people like to credit Meat as having some say over who is in his own band and that if he had wanted to keep her around he would have acknowledged both his and our disappointment at being unable to do so.

2. I don't think anyone is assuming that - rather that the email will have been sent by someone acting on his behalf.

3. Because she said she was informed 3 weeks ago and has no history of lying to fans.

4. Who is acting like that? Difficult decision or not, deciding not to tell your paying audience that a key element of your show is gone and then replacing her with people who have only had one rehearsal seems to me to imply that we should treat the change as trivial. Many of us feel strongly otherwise and being told directly or indirectly that we shouldn't care or react isn't going to change that.

Yes. I saw a fan asking today .. had Meat and Patti not met would people like Meat loaf any less than they do now? Like her, my answer is no .. this will not make me enjoy his music, his shows, his acting, anything any less. Could he have handled recent events any differently? I do not know anything like enough to answer that fairly, so I accept he did what he thought best. He gave me a wonderful show at Newmarket, he will do that in Vegas. I am a fan and will remain one.

I didn't see any posts. Did he have a go at Patti in this thread?

The posts were removed for a reason - I'm not sure someone re-posting the content would be helpful! :lol:

No.

I had a long weekend waiting till I get home and see at least some pictures with Patti from the show and I find out, that she's no longer in the band. My heart is broken, because the reason I listened to Meat Loaf is gone...:(

If you listed to ML for Patti, you were listening to Patti.

If I watch your Penguin movie it would be because of Batman. Does that mean you don't want me to watch your film?

Meat has an excellent band because that helps him. If it wouldn't matter then he could come on stage with a tape like a tribute act.

What anyone takes away from shows/CDs/photos etc is surely up to the fan. There is no rule book what we should like and how we should like it.

I imagine most of us will get over it, b/c I am indeed buying Meat Loaf albums.

That does not mean we can just get this out of our rear view mirror instantly.

I agree with this part of Warrio's reply to austukas. If Patti is why you followed Meat .. she still has a career, and I hope a very successful one. You can still follow her

:twisted: I've requested R's permission to lock this thread down for 24 hours, which he's given.
I've been to work and let's say in depth moderation after too much rock n roll n brew isn't always the best idea :bleh:

I had a brief convo with Meat last night, and he offered me some of the story (in confidence) of what's happened.
Needless to say i'm not at liberty to repeat anything that has been said in PM to any third party.

Speculation, although completely natural for the fans of an artist when there is a change in the wind, doesn't help much.
Especially when it manifests itself as anger and finger pointing.
Although Meat has given me his confidence (to an extent) i'm far from having a full understanding of the situation myself.
I want a chance to go over the thread and clean up some of the more angry speculative posts, as well as some of the in fighting.


As for deleted posts, I can confirm that Meat has in no way or form posted anything disrespectful on this forum towards Patti, but was a result of the speculation that has occurred on the thread.

I personally believe that Meat's reluctance to comment on the matter at this time is evidence that he has no wish to air dirty laundry in public and show Patti any disrespect by posting his side of the story (no dig intended towards Patti for posting on Facebook).

Weather he posts any explanation at some future time is completely up to him.

At this time i'm reminded of a quote I read on this forum that I belive has special significance.

There are three sides to each story.

One side.

The other side.

And the truth.

Will aim to have this thread up and running again by tomorrow evening.

:twisted: The mod stuff................

I've given the thread a good clean to get rid of some of the in fighting and some of the more angrily speculative posts.
I've tried to be as fair as possible to everyone concerned, but if something has been deleted you feel should have stayed up, mea culpa :shrug:

1st of all.
Yes, the thread belongs on the forum.
People here have a special interest in Meat, and Patti has been a big part of that for the last 20 years.
No more debate on weather this should be discussed on the forum.
Pandora has officially opened the box.
Let's deal with it the best we can in a rational manner rather than invest in a lifetime supply of elephant food (and a f*cking big pooper scooper :bleh: ).

With that in mind, may I remind you that we are not in full possession of the facts.
I wouldn't presume to know all the facts of what has gone on without asking Meat at least 20 questions, asking Patti an extra 20, and even then the truth would probably be somewhere in between.
See what Jonty's boss said about there being 3 sides to every argument.

As we don't know the full facts, please show some restraint when it comes to finger pointing and venting "disgust" at anybody involved to how and why Patti has been dismissed.
It's unfair.

We don't know if the termination email was the 1st or the 100'th correspondence between Meat & Patti on the subject.
Personally, I would be surprised if the first thing Patti knew about this was when she opened her emails.

If Meat and/or Patti should decide to give a full explanation as to what has happened, perhaps we can have a more informed opinion then.
Until that time, at least, try to keep an open mind.

While it's true that Meat posted in anger in the heat of the moment in response to what has been said on this thread, I can forgive him that as much as I can forgive the angry posts that prompted his response.
If folks were posting about me in such harsh terms with such little information, I would have said much worse than Meat. :bleh:
Meat's words have been deleted (within a very short time) by mutual agreement.
Reposting what Meat posted here is completely out of the question, and sharing what Meat said with who he posted to is nothing short of shit stirring and causing unnecessary upset IMO.
And it's not Meat's reputation i'm thinking of when I say that.
You might want to double check your motives before forwarding any deleted message.
On that matter, case closed. :lock:

IMHO.........

Personally, I agree that Patti's departure could have been handled better.
While it's true that it says Meat Loaf on the tickets, and it's a Meat Loaf concert you are paying to see, Meat knows how loved Patti is by the fans.
It's natural that fans should be disappointed and upset not to see Patti on stage with Meat.
That said, it's never a good day to break bad news, and let's be completely honest here, a simple "Patti has left the band, we wish her the best of luck" would not be the end of the matter. There would have been a whole new round of speculation and demand for answers.
Damned if you do, put in the wicker man if you don't :shrug:

An issue has obviously arisen, and perhaps, just perhaps, Meat has not said anything publicly because he feels that to post his point of view might be disrespectful to Patti?
While we all (well, not all of us) want answers, two opposing points of view being aired in public can turn very quickly into a slanging match.
It would be a real sorrow to see things end like that between them :sad:

While I personally doubt very much that the termination email was the first Patti was told on the subject, there are certain things that do have to be put in writing.
You may like your boss, might think of him as a friend, might even go for beers on a Friday night after work, but when it comes right down to it there are legal requirements when terminating somebody's employment.
Not nice, just a fact of life.

I for one do not believe that Meat is happy to see Patti gone.
Although things could have been handled differently in the last 3 weeks, 3 weeks is not an awful long time.
In the interview posted in this thread, Meat called Patti his "rock", and I don't think for a moment he was exaggerating or lying.
Try cutting off your right arm and see how much better you feel in 3 weeks time :shrug:

I can only repeat what I've said before...........

Patti: I'm very sorry to see you gone, and i'll always be grateful for the special times you have given me (keep your jokes to yourselves there folks :bleh: ).
I'm sure her career is far from over, and i'd LOVE to see some solo work.
Our loss is some other lucky sods gain.

Meat: I'm sorry to see you lose IMHO the best female foil you've had in your long career.


In summary........

Keep an open mind.

No off topic fighting.

Try and show some consideration for each other, Meat, and Patti.
This isn't easy on anyone.

I'm opening the thread again, but if we have more of the same it'll be deleted.

:shock: That's not gone well, huh...