Just Say No
 

I agree 100% with the title of this thread; Please, Meat, JUST SAY NO to this one. I think he will do just that, thank goodness

Me thinks Meat will say :nope: !

DEFINITELY NO.

I can't see him agreeing to do this given his reluctance to get involved in shows like this in the past.

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No, he won't do that !! ;p

Yeah, celebrities say this often until people start waving cash. :-P
I hope he won't but it won't surprise me if he will.

This is largely the same text as the "story" in The Daily Star .. that model of tabloid journalism .. Channel 5 may well be desperate to get Meat to boost their flagging ratings. There's nothing to suggest there's the remotest likelihood that Meat would be sucker-punched a second time.

Meat doesn't respond to people "waving cash" in my view. CA at least offered a means of raising money for a charity he loves.

Typical tabloid nonsense making a story out of nothing at all imo

Wrong!!!


Just say yes!!!!

No :nope:

I'm sure Meat wouldn't do this trashy show. Just complete rubbish, never could understand the appeal of it.

He wouldn't be able to tolerate all the fake, fame-hungry airheads that they put into that place!

What is wrong? The thread title, or something posted?

I find it hard to believe you have seen Channel 5's CBB, or if you have that you'd want Meat to go within a thousand paces of it :shock: It makes I'm a Celebrity (which he says he'd never consider) look like sophisticated, intellectually stimulating, class TV

Your account been hacked?

Oh Puhleese no!

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Of course I say no. I loathe reality TV in all its forms.

Due to me loving his music so much, I will kindly ignore any reality TV that he has been on or will be on. Especially this. CE is one thing, this is a whole other ball of wax.

I say it would be fun to have Meat Loaf on the show. However, I will shut up about my thoughts and opinions because the mob is already circling.

No, there is absolutely no way Meat will do this.

Carole

Have you actually seen the show we're talking about? Followed it to it's conclusion, seen the bloody stupid things they make contestants do, do you really know the level of "celebrity" they get on there?

I'm having a hard time trying to find a reason why you would consider this to be a good move so please explain why you would in any way find Meat appearing on this pathetic show to be a positive thing?

Meat - please don't do this!

I don't feel part of a mob David .. I thought you were joking, and I just think you really can't have seen this awful time-wasting show ;) I don't believe that Meat would ever consider it. He'd be bored out of his skull apart from anything else ;) .. (as well as separated from his beloved laptop!). He's such an energetic man, whose brain is always buzzing with ideas .. he'd be wandering around with a stout rope looking for a beam to hang himself from within an hour or so :lol:

CA provides a series of business challenges to the teams which have some real outcomes, and raise money for worthy causes .. Our CBB consists of a few people sitting around bored, bitching and moaning, who are set with a few utterly ridiculous "tasks" from time to time which are simply time-filling nonsense but have no real purpose, apart from being contrived to make the participants look ridiculous in bursts of car-crash TV. (They're as awful as those "auditions" on X-factor which are filmed simply to be shown to get home audience laughing at how terrible and lacking in any talent or self-awareness the people are.) As Michael says .. this is why they cannot get anyone who is much of a celebrity or hold any self-esteem to take part. Mainly it attracts a sad bunch of WAGs, mediocre ex sportsmen, idiot politicians who seem compelled to end their careers, minor soap stars, emaciated clothes pegs hardly out of the womb who can barely string a phrase together, and bit part actors whose careers are waning fast.

CBB does nothing to help any participant, except arguably damage their reputations, and benefits no-one except the producers. Channel 5 are simply trying to boost their flagging ratings, and The Daily Star to fill its columns ..

Meat is a singer, actor, performer and recording artist. CBB is the last refuge of the desperate and the talentless. He has never resorted to putting his private life on show and I've no reason to believe he will now. It's beneath him, and I've more respect for him than to think he'd sink to those depths.

No, I am a complete dunderhead idiot who is just talking out of his arse. Yes, I have seen the show. I am not a babbling retard. No, we do not get the show in America; however, I have seen several full seasons of every show. Again, close mindedness reigns supreme among the Meat Loaf fan base. You have assumed something about me by your statement above that is a lie. Thank you for your lack of faith in my being able to formulate an independent opinion based on research and my own freewill reasoning.

I don't think anyone has suggested you are an idiot, nor a babbling one who cannot form an opinion based on their freewill reasoning. Closed-minded people don't ask if you are familiar with the show, and people are entitled surely to express their views on it and those who Channel 5 can get to appear on it (a list which is hardly star-studded). Nothing to do with the Meat Loaf fanbase .. it's the view of many people in the UK (hence the poor viewing figures), and also it would appear of a large number of self-respecting celebrities who refuse to be on it.

Now you have said you are familiar with the show I remain surprised you would want Meat to appear on it though. I do agree with Michael who said " CBB is the last refuge of the desperate and the talentless." Like him, I have too much faith in Meat to imagine he'd ever consider it.

Actually some of the comments in this thread make me rethink my opinion and it would be fun to disprove the "obvious" thoughts of the mob and Meat did do the show and donated the money to charity if he won. :-P

I have assumed nothing about you, I actually asked questions. You answered that you've seen the show but haven't answered as to why you think it would be a good thing for Meat to do, perhaps if you answered that I might not be as "close minded" as you assume me to be.

Well, that is exactly where I was going. Most have said Meat Loaf would have to lower himself to go on this show. If the speculation that Meat Loaf is as shrewd of a player as people on this thread give him credit for...let him go on the show and totally rule the game (the way he did on Celebrity Apprentice). Rather than fear the negative, I would like to think that our resident rock royalty Mr. Loaf would be stellar enough to take this game to a higher level.

• He left the critics amiss with Bat Out Of Hell.
• His work in a little movie called Rocky Horror is considered a showstopping piece of the cult that keeps this alive.
• He defied the odds of the standard business mold and style with an over the top comeback with Bat 2.
• He performed so well in the movie Fight Club that few even really know who he is in the film.
• He played Celebrity Apprentice to the point where mighty powerful players crumbled.

I would be excited to see the magic and power he would bring into one of the most famous houses in the world. But that is just me...I don't under-change Meat Loaf's ability to create excellent entertainment (irregardless of the circumstances).

Or someone could steal his paints again :shock:

"Obvious thoughts of the mob" ??? MOB???

I'm rethinking some of my opinions of people ..

As to later posts .. Yes. Meat excels in theatre, film, on stage. This show is none of those. It has none of the focused activities of CA, nor the facility to touch base with the real world. The activities are contrived, the producers try and engineer conflict, and the programme is mercilessly edited for effect.

I think many of us have given Meat better sense than to participate. You're on a hiding to nothing to make this show a positive experience as a contestant imo .. the shrewdest person to go on it walked out after a couple of days .. and took some time to live it down.

I know there are some seriously opinionated people on this forum - myself included - but I do think Mob is a bit much...

The only thing I will say Dave is have you seen the UK version of the show? I don't know if there is an American Celebrity Big Brother (and if there is I've not seen it) but here in the UK that show really is the lowest of the low. It's a cheap attempt for Z-list celebs to make a name for themselves (genereally unsuccessfully) or people who used to be big trying to make a desperate come-back, again, generally failing miserably.

I thought Meat was great on Celebrity Apprentice, and you're right he's great in the theatre, but this isn't anything like that. Over here it's cheap tabloid crap and something that anyone with an ounce of dignity would stay well clear of...

...my apologies to Meat if you have said yes to this! :?

Since you did not read or overlooked my comment below, I have seen Celebrity Big Brother from the UK. I know I have watched at least one full season of the show. I still stand by my comment that I believe if you are good enough at your game, you can spin anything anyway you want it.

We haven't had a Celebrity edition of Big Brother here in the states. We do have a regular version of Big Brother. I am reasonably sure it is the same concept, just done with celebrities. Similar to the regular Apprentice show vs the Celebrity variety. And I still say NO, Meat should definitely NOT do it. Only reality TV show I might like to see him compete on is Dancing With The Stars. I don't think he has much to gain by going on any reality TV shows.

I'm about to steal this sentence. :twisted: I'd rather see him for just a few minutes doing something like the Bagel Bites thing on Fallon. I favor Meat Loaf, the singer/actor over Meat Loaf, the "celebrity". The meaning of the term "celebrity" must have changed over the years, I guess - I have never heard of the presumed contestants mentioned in the last paragraph of the article. :?

:twisted: Like with many things, there are pros and cons.

CBB is something that seems to be equally scoffed at and adored by the country. It's pretty 50/50.

The show is well known enough to raise the profile of anyone going into the house, and has been know to bring new life to a dead career.

But I don't think Meat's career is dead, and I don't really think he needs what CBB has to offer.

I see where Dave is coming from. A big fish in a small pond will naturally dominate. But some might say why the hell did the big fish go into such a small pond for in the first place?

There is a lot of general distain for the word "celebrity" in celebrity big brother.
What would be worse if Meat entered the house and left pretty early on. Beat by the worst bunch of Z list "celebs" you could imagine.
Don't forget, this is a popularity contest. Meat can't get anywhere based on his own merit (as was the case with CA). It's public vote that counts.

The main reason that i'm inclined to think it's not a great idea is that I don't think Meat could keep the crazy in if he were couped up that long with a group of annoying assholes (I don't think I could). We saw how he blew up on Gary Bussey, and that was in an enviroment where, OK, he was living in a penthouse with a group of people, but he could go out anytime he wanted, and go where he felt like.
CBB is more like a prison desiged by Salvator Dali :lol:
"Play blind mans buff for three hours ans we'll give you a bottle of wine and a roast chicken" :nuts:


Whatever Meat decides to do, i'll back him either way :up:

I think Mouse nails it .. Z list "celebs" competing in a public pay per vote popularity contest, where Meat couldn't get anywhere based on merit as he did in CA, but would just be bored out of his mind in a bizarre prison, cut off from the world. The series, since it has been dropped by C4, gets what audience it can muster here largely amongst the young demographic; its over 35 audience is very limited, and for Meat to even contemplate putting his head on the popular vote block would imo be ill advised to say the least. This isn't a show about skills an aptitudes, and achieving something useful ... it's about hoping to win a popularity contest, and imo Meat's about the work, not the celebrity

If he does it I'll watch but I highly doubt he'll do it

:lmao:

After watching "You've Been Trumped" my opinion of Donald Trump couldn't be any lower and it kinda makes me think that Meat even associating with that nasty piece of work in Celebrity Apprentice would in no way be worse than him appearing on CBB on Channel 5. This superficial belief that CA / Business / Donald Trump is good seems rather closed minded to me now. Look behind the surface and often that piece of "entertainment" is just as rubbish really regardless of minuscule percentages of the monies that such people like Trump turn over go to charities.

I certainly wouldn't suggest CA was a great piece of TV .. Meat only wound up on it due to a misunderstanding which he felt obliged to honour. He was the only reason I watched that series, and I wouldn't watch it again. It too is contrived, heavily edited to grab ratings, etc etc. I have no superficial belief it is great, challenging or edifying entertainment. However, I wouldn't consider the amounts the charities receive "miniscule", even though I am aware that the Trump empire makes far more out of it and could afford to match any money raised or given for winning the tasks.

I've not suggested there is anything intrinsically beneficial to mankind in the tasks set on CA; they are however tasks with an outcome, and can be used for, or lead to good .. for eg the children's book which was published, the single SITS.

What I, and others, have been saying is that CBB has no such tasks which at least have some usable outcome; the participants are isolated from contact with the outside world; and that progression through it is determined by public pay votes, rather on any kind of merit via task achievement. CBB is very different to CA, and it is those differences which make me say I would not want to see Meat anywhere near it .. even less than I would have wanted him to go back on the next all star CA, which I believe he's not doing

You are correct about the All-Star edition of Celebrity Apprentice. The contestants have been chosen, filming has already begun and Meat is not amongst those participating. He is busy with this leg of the US tour and hopefully finalizing plans for the UK tour in 2013 And hopefully, too, not giving any consideration to the idea of doing CBB.

Like Andrew, I fail to understand how CA is that much different from (better than?) than CBB. :??:

It's also pretty odd to compete with and work against each other to do something for charity, in my opinion. The constant competition causes unnecessary conflicts and the "losing" team usually don't benefit from the effort they put in their project. I'd rather see people work together to achieve something good, without the necessity of some of them being "losers" and someone getting "fired" each week.

Okay, it's after 2 a.m. and maybe I'm just too tired to get this... What kind of "misunderstanding"? How can you take part in a TV show "due to a misunderstanding"?

Didn't say it was better, but thought I clearly outlined how it is different (in the final para of my last post .. tasks, isolation, how participants stay in the game).

But these shows are "games" with the elements of competing that implies, and firing/being voted out is the chosen means of progressing to a winner .. a bit like heats really.

I said due to a misunderstanding "he felt obliged to honour". Meat said he was asked each year to appear and said no. On this occasion he was on a film set when the call came through. He was distracted and thought he was saying yes to them getting back to him. They took it as yes to appearing. They didn't call him back and he put it out of his mind. Later when his management expressed surprise that he had agreed he realised there had been a misunderstanding, but by then the company had moved ahead on the assumption they had his agreement. He felt obliged to honour it. That's why I wrote what I did. Any more detail you'd need to ask Meat.

I know and I explained what I dislike about these "games". As for the "misunderstanding": I'm sorry but that explanation appears strange to me.

How so?

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When Big Brother first hit our screens the whole country seemed to watch it. The concept was new and exciting. The first series was a "classic". Who could forget Nasty Nick and Craig (I think that was his name) was a worthy winner. Big Brother was big news and rightly so.
But, after nine hundred and five series, the fascination of sitting down and watching somebody else sitting down lost its appeal. The characters (contestants) became ever more bizarre to spice up the experience. But, you cannot fool the British public that long.
The celebrity show revitalised it (slightly), but just like the "pleb" version it soon became very very stale.
However, some people like watching this kind of stuff to switch off from the stresses of modern life. It appears most of us have at some point watched it and probably quite enjoyed it.
As has been pointed out, the viewing figures are atrocious and it has been 'relegated' to channel five. That just about says it all.
Meat, DON'T DO IT!

In my opinion that is probably just gossip maybe off a list the producers made. I doubt Meat does it, but if he does a lot of those screaming "no" will do a sudden 180. It would be his decision and I'd be cool with it either way. I would think scheduling would be an issue.

No way I'll be doing a 180, and no, where I live is not the reason why!

But I do believe that this won't happen anyway

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I have never watched it :twisted:
and i'd like to keep it that way.. so i hope meat doesn't do it!

(am i the only one who thought this thread was going to be about drugs and grangehill ;))

This I agree with 100%

I certainly wouldn't do a sudden 180, and I think that assertion does some dis-service to a number of people who've posted. But then I still love Bat3 ;) I think the article is just gossip, don't believe Meat would ever do it, and would be fearful for him rather than "cool" in the unlikely event he did.

I watched bits of a couple of the opening CBB series Germaine Greer was in .. never want to repeat the horror :shock: I watched enough of one series of BB (I think the 3rd), drop-jawed, to be convinced it was car-crash TV :roll: The one single saving grace of the C5 version imo is that it doesn't clutter up quite so much of the TV scheduling as C4 used to indulge in ;)

Grange Hill. Now you're talking!

:twisted: I think both yourself and Caryl have explained your thoughts quite clearly. I don't understand why there should be confussion :shrug:


For me, the differences between CA and CBB................

In CA, contentants are free to come and go as they please. They can go out, talk to people, be kept up with current events, speak to their loved ones.

In CBB their movements and interaction with the outside world are much more restricted, turning the whole thing into a self contained goldfish bowl.
Contestants are often picked who will wind each other up (or sleep together). Lock people like that up together and watch the fireworks seems to be the ethos of the whole show.


In CA there is a task to do that depends on judgement, imagination, adaptability to a situation, and good business sense.
If you lose you are ejected.


In CBB there is a task to do that involves a garden swimming pool, 500 tins of custard, and a snorkel.
If you lose you don't get anything to eat for 48 hours.


In CA you are ejected from the show (based on proffessional judgement)because your team lost, and after careful consideration of the merit of the team members, it would seem that your performance and choices were the weak link in the chain.

In CBB you are ejected from the show (based on public vote) because people want to watch Peter Andre and Kerry Katona f*ck :facepalm:


In CA you keep in the game by using your savvy to show that you are a valuable player.

In CBB you stay in the game by screwing in the hot tub (or even better, keep giving the public the impression that you will screw in the hot tub next week if you're still around :wink: )


When terminated from CA you take the lift down with your suitcase, quietly get into a cab, and share a few reflective moments with the camera as you go home to see your family.

In CBB you have half the world screaming, cheering, and booing (all at the same time) and some bint who always seems to be pregnant bouncing up and down like Scoobie after a six pack of Red Bull (I don't give Scoobie Red Bull :wink: ) and screaming into a mic.
You are interviewed in front of a baying crowd and shown your "best bits".
Your best bits are a mixture of you looking silly, being pissed off, and having a nervous breakdown.


In CA celebs back a charity close to their hearts to benefit from their appearance on the show.
That Trump and his organization probably makes much more than the charities is wrong. There's no denying that, and things should change.

In CBB the celeb is the charity close to their own hearts.
Half of them haven't worked for so long they look like the've gone on the show just for the hot food and the luxury of having a roof over their head.
The other half are not celebs, and never will be (when you get the wife of someone who was once a polititian going on the show, you know you're scraping the bottom of the barrel).



Everything you need to know about Big Brother right there :lol:


:lol:


If Meat does it I might look in from time to time, but i'm not going to be glued to the telly.

I never knew until I read this post back how much of a problem I have with that show :shock:

Thre are probably good things (and reasons) for Meat to do CBB, but I think the good is outweighed by the bad.

As I said before though, whatever he decides to do, i'll back him 100% :up:

:twisted: I've just watched the show in question, and i've gotta say, I think Trump is a cucking funt :evil:

I don't think he knows everything that was going on on that site (I think a lot of the intimidation, such as cutting off water to peoples homes, was more to do with the contractors and the local authorities who seemed horrendously biased in Trump's favour) but likewise I don't think he's squeeky clean.
He said enough on camera to show his disreguard for the rights of others.

Shameful.

As the shows themselves are concerned, I do still think there is more merit in the CA format than CBB, but I still think it's wrong that Trump makes so much money from the show rather than have the charities make more money.

Germaine Greer, say no more. What a nightmare she must have been for the other housemates. She is an absolute nut case. A pity as in her early years she did a lot for women's rights and feminism. Now, she has lost the plot.

Carole

If you didn't have conflicts than Reality TV wouldn't be interesting. I have yet to see a RTV show in which conflict was not the bread and butter. Which is part of the reason why I don't like these shows.

I like REAL reality TV. Like COPS, The First 48, Intervention, etc... I understand that stuff can get contrived on those shows as well, but it's a lot closer to 'reality' than CE, CBB, The Real World, etc...

Than he wouldn't do it. The point of the show is to make money.

There's lots of things that people do that they think a 'good' but they're really just lining peoples pockets. With almost any charity the majority of the money goes to the people running the organization. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but it should be clear.

Than again I see celebrities who are trying raise money for charity, but I rarely see one of them pulling out their own chequebook and donating their own money.

Than you have Louis CK. He pledged $25,000 of his own money to have a photo taken with Al Pacino and donated the majority of the money that he made from selling his New Comedy Special for $5 through his website. He never even said that he was going to do that, he just did it.

I can see the point you're trying to make as I have thought it myself occasionally but we don't actually know that they don't donate privately off of their own backs.

You know what? You are correct. If I ever donate money to charity, NOBODY will ever hear about it. I believe that something given out of charity should be private and you shouldn't make light of it in order to gain the adulation of others, especially when you're a celebrity.

I believe that there is no truly selfless act, as even acts of extreme charity. The feeling you get from doing the act can be more beneficial to you than the recipient. Whenever possible, anonymity increases the feeling of benevolence.

This isn't the case with most people, especially celebrities. Not to say that I'm better, I just have a different view on things. Many disagree with me.

I think there are some truly selfless acts of love and of charity .. you don't hear of them often because those undertaking them don't brag about it ;) But many acts of great courage are selfless, the person just doing what they believe to be right, or needs to be done, and doing this with no thought of reward or good feelings.

As far as "celebrities" go, they often donate their time and resources to raise money, and not keeping it quiet frequently goes hand in hand with it being successful .. but as Jenna says we don't know what else they do that we hear nothing of.

And if someone gives their time or their money to help another/others, the fact that they may take some quiet pleasure in being able to do this, whilst it may not in your terms be 100% unselfish, it doesn't negate the value of that gift.

:twisted: Celebs giving money to charities is a bit of a no win situation for the celeb concerned.

On one hand, if they donate money and make it known, they are looking for popularity.
If they don't make it known, nobody knows and they are labelled a tight arse :?
Especially when they urge others to give.

I believe the reason famous people publicly support charities (i'm not talking donations here) is to create public awareness of the charity.
I'm no expert, but I would say most charities would say the awareness and publicity is more important than the coin coming out of the celebs pocket.

Without a doubt .. and that PR in itself will help raise money. Meat's support of The Painted Turtle is a perfect case in point.

Of course some acts of charity are beyond price and value .. for eg if you Mouse were to remove 90% of Warrio's polls ;)

:twisted: :lmao:

However, I would agree completely with Ernie were he to say that would not be a wholly unselfish act of charity ;)

It's really nobodies business IMO. If anybody truly cares about what a celebrity donates, than I would say that they have an emptiness in their lives that they need to fill with useless facts about other human beings.

And the other 10% are left out of pure spite?

But be fair .. it was you who raised the issue here..

:twisted: Same about the artists political leaning, as we can see on the Romney thread.
I'm baffled that the people who seem to be most effected by Meat's personal political choice are the people who claim that their only interest in Meat is his artisic output.

End of the day, donate or not, speak up or keep quiet, you're damned every which way but loose :lol:

I also said that charity should be a private thing.

There's a difference between caring and casual observations. While I may give a thumbs up to someone who donates a large sum of his own money I also understand why many don't want to donate, even with large sums of money.

Charity is a trait not all possess. Similar to wit or intelligence.