Keys
 

Somewhere on here I read about the keys, the keys are fine , I have said I have dry throat and the Climate in Australia is very very dry which made it harder . The keys are fine just listen to some 2011 you tubes before I went there and did 90 interviews and stayed in that dry climate. The AFL was not not great but not bad bad enough to be boiled in oil. and hung on a tree. I disagree with that key statement. The are fine 95% of the time and the way I sing lower keys make it harder to sing. It doesn't make any difference anymore . I'm done. I will finish the DVD and finish the album ... Perth was my last show . I can't fight anymore.

You have all our support!! please dont let anyone knock you back! Stay strong! and as you tell US "NEVER STOP ROCKIN!!"

NO MEAT! DONT QUIT! PLEASE! You're singing has been AMAZING this tour and the US HCTB tour. Don't give up because some people try to tear you down. We love you!

Hey Meat, I don't think anyone was saying you can't sing your classic songs in key any more, just that if it was getting harder for you ( and we don't know this, only you could answer that), then it would be perfectly okay to take it down a key or two and still sound great.

I'm the first to admit I know f**k all about music generally lol, so i'd be interested to know if the songs off HCTB and HIAHB are sung in a lower key or not. I don't know if they are or not, I only know that what I hear seems to be far easier for you to sing than some of your classics. Of course i could be talking complete bollocks and you have every right to tell me I am!

Meat if you do quit we love you!!!! ............... also you can still come round for tea! :)

Thank you all for being great fans all these years. Time to move on !!

Love Ya,
Meat

Meat..... what are you going to do with the NZ shows then? Or are you still talking about last show in Australia..... I hope it's not what your post seems to mean :( But I guess if that's what you decide, what can we do about it?

Your NZ shows are about to be fantastic, go have a calm down & some sleep, isn't it like, 4am over there?! A new country & some new shows!

i think its a THANK YOU !! You allways thank us but i want to thank YOU!!! for the Greatest Rock n Roll EVER!!! :)

Meat,

At your concerts you take us out of our lives into a place of pure entertainment. For that, I thank you. Every fan of every decade thanks you.

Nick

Don't say that Meat...please...There are so many people who love you and love your music and so many people who I know personally were looking forward to your tour next year...Please don't give up meat, dont give in...Don't ever stop rockin'! You tell us that every night you perform...now its our turn to tell you. Meat, we love you.

I dunno what to say......

But regardless, I love ya too Meat, don't be a stranger round here now.

That's because a lot of people think they know what keys are and actually don't, it just sounds clever :lol:

Pick yourself back up, move on. :up:

Meat, you know you get better support in Europe and the US, and you know how much we love you in the UK. We love you to bits over here. You have a tour scheduled for the next year and a bit, and I know if you take it on you will love every minute of it and you will go out on a high. Don't go out like this Meat, I beg you. You can't let a small minority of people ruin everything you have worked for. If you go out now it will be written that you retired after an embarassing final tour of Australia. It's complete bollocks of course, but that's how it will be written. Please, please don't go out like this. Yes it is time to move on, but it's time to move on to the next and final tour, not to retirement, NOT YET.

Like I said, I know nothing.

I hope you continue for many years to come Meat...

Thank you for everything you have made ​​and done for us over the years.

We love YOU! :heart:

That's right, Meat, see what the feeling is like after the NZ shows, aren't they in just a couple of days?

Less dry climate, no one will have anything to complain about there.... if they do I'll come kick em in the shins.... and other places :twisted:

WE neeeeed you MEAT!!! Music Needs you!!

THIS

Well I don't know anything about keys or how music is constructed, but I do know what I like to hear and experience. I just LOVE your new CD!!! And I LOVED both the shows I went to!!! You and the band were awesome!!! All this crap I have read about people walking out, well I never saw a single person leave, and can tell you that ALL the people around us at both shows had a absolute BALL!!!! Wish you could have heard their comments!!! Nothing but praise and huge smiles!!! We love ya Meat!!!!

Meat please reconsider. Don't toss in the towel. Not this way....you need to finish on YOUR terms. Please don't have a knee jerk reaction. Talk it out with us. :(

Whatever you'll do, you have my support... Whatever you're plans are in the future, if you decide to quit with music i will respect you for it. But...honestly...i would think it's a shame cause i never get the chance to see you live anymore... I love u and if you're decided to quit or not...Remember what u all told us...Never ever stop rocking !!!!!!!!! XXX

Meat, please for the love of God DO NOT Quit! You are an icon, a legend, and a role model to so many, including myself. Your music has touched all of us. You have so many amazing fans who will stand by your side through anything. I would love all these stupid arseholes who spew out BS to shut up. Believe they will once something else distracts their small minds.

Meat focus on the positive. Your vocals are amazing, I saw a YT clip from s show a couple of weeks ago of RRD, you sounded spectacular. You give the best damn concerts this World has ever seen.

Please don't quit, and these stupid comments will stop!

"You can't dwell on it. You can't dwell on any of it."

Regards,

Sebastian

WE love You Meat!! what ever you decide to do i Respect that but please promise me and the onther MeatHeads! you will NEVER STOP ROCKIN!!!!!

Suzie is right Meat, please listen to her and all of us. Talk to us please. You've got to go out on a high, you can't let a small minority of dumb barstards beat you, they are NOTHING. Talk to us.

Meat don't let the Australians get their way. They want you to retire, come on don't give in and give them what they want.

I saw you in 2011 and it was amazing!!!

Please Meat don't go....:( At least do one last tour in America.

wtf. Dont quit. We had so much to look forward to:

Live album, board tapes, a christmas thing, a whole 2012 tour.

rediculous

The "butt smellers" have won if this is the case.

This one doesn't!!! (But I know what you mean)

I'm selfishly hoping for another tour, but I will respect whatever decision is right for you, Meat. Do what is right in your heart. Thank you for all the wonderful memories at your shows. I met my girlfriend at your show and many other great friends. Thanks for all the rock and roll dreams that you, Patti, and the various band members over the years have made come true. We all love ya!

Meats just pissed!!! he will bounce back im sure:D,, let him cool off!!! and will all the vocal coaches on here go and F%%k off!!! what is wrong with some people?

I can't believe that Meat would end his career this way? He has so much more to give. I think he's just feeling bad about the negativity around his last few shows and who can blame him, im sure none of us would enjoy getting flack for the work we do? All I will say is that If Meat is serious then i would love to a proper goodbye, maybe a big show somewhere? hopefully in the UK?

The German fans want to see you again, too.

Just name it Meat....what do you need from your true fans...because I'm as serious as a heart attack..I will fly anywhere to give it to you? What do you need from us that we can do online or otherwise? I love you Meat....just talk to us.

I agree Suzie :(

I have nothing more to say, except thank you for everything you've given us. We'll always be here to support you no matter what.

Love ya too
Vicki :heart:

Same here

Yes, Meat, we're waiting for you! Don't let us down! And don't let it get you down!

I just realized something: Meat's loves us and he's just Venting. We're his stress ball :))

I doubt he's really sincerly ending it all.

Donald Trump has a better chance of getting a buz cut

Lol, good way to put it


lmao

:up:

As much as I LOVE going to the shows, I want Meat to be happy. Whatever decision makes Meat happy, I fully support. I love ya, Meat.

i agree 100%

That's true. We need to stop over-reacting and not take everything so damn seriously :P

He's got a lot going for him still. He just has a few thousand people treating him like shit right now, so that's gotta be a piss off!!! And its bound to ~~~~ with your head.

Good luck with the NZ shows Meat! They are going to Love you. :D

dont let these jerks get to you Meat. I will support you no matter what you decide to do but it would be a great shame to end it like this. You have plenty of true fans who know that you are rocking it the best you have done for 15 years. Whatever you decide to do, i wouldn't base it on what's happened in Australia because everyone just jumped on the media bandwagon. Keep rockin Meat and most importantly stay safe :)

Jake

I really do hope he isn't quitting. Yes I want him to be happy but I can't believe for a minute Meat will be happy going out like this. He won't be happy and it will bother him for the rest of his life. I'm absolutely devastated right now at the prospect of it being true, close to tears.

Work so hard to do what is right
Believed in what you're doin' but so many fights
Trusted too many, believed too much
Workin' your life to the bone

Meat, whatever you do and wherever you go, I'll always believe in you and believe in what you're doing. I won't be a wolf at your door.

Big rockin' love,

Slice.

I third that

I know you're hurt but I do hope you reconsider your decision because it would be a shame to think that they've won. You're better than them.

Regardless of whatever happens I would like to thank you for all the joy youi have brought to millions of people all over the world and I will always consider it an honour to have been a fan of such a fine entertainer and human being.

Don't give up, we love you.

Sky x

I almost got speechless ...
My heart started beating so hard now ..... can not quite believe what I just read ....
Have the bullies really won??
-NO, Meat!
You are stronger than this .. You have won the war before ....

Please ...., do not let them win!

You call us in here your friends .....
We see you as our family member ..... Because we Love you! As simple as that!
We Love You!

And don `t Let Them Win! DON `T


Tine

Meat, Australia is just one island, apparently full of salivating pack animal journalists. If they don't treat you right, come on over to the Uk - we still love ya! It's also not as dry :)

If Meat decides it's truly time to move on, the bullies have not won.
Meat is a multi-talented guy. I'm sure there are so many other career opportunities he would like to explore.
He works extremely hard on tour and we all appreciate it, but at the end of the day, it comes down to what makes Meat happy.

Performing is what makes him happy. Thats knowledge thats universally known.

So this is what he wants to do. Its the ravage aussie beasts that are bringing his muse to a stand still.

If you decide you have had enough and you feel you can't give anymore then from the bottom of my heart I say good luck and god bless to you.

Forget the bad times and the bad shows, don't dwell on what you can't change. Don't let a few idiots bring you down...f**k em'

The Meat Loaf I will always remember is the hard working, hard rocking and funny bloke whose music has helped me through some hard times, someone whos shows have given me so much pleasure and put a smile on my face since I was a kid. My first gig was a ML gig in 1988 when i was 11, that gig shaped me and the music i listen to now so im not gonna let some petty minded idiots ruin my memories.

Meat Loaf..The best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be.

God Bless Ya Meat, you are a legend!

Dearest Meat, I'll just say what I said this morning. We're not the whole reason you do what you do in my view .. you do it because you have been given a gift and the inner drive to use it to the best of your ability while you're on the planet. But we are the best reflection of it's infinite value Try and keep that reflection in your view, because you know in your head and your heart that this is what you see every time you step onto an arena stage, walk out and see us waiting, and see it when you hold your hands high and look out at us cheering at the end.

It's a wonderful thing to be so wanted, to bring so much joy to so many. And when you do decide to move onto other things, other ways to use that God given talent, let it be on a high because you're fired with energy to make that move, not because you feel tired, frustrated, crushed by a bunch of jackasses. You don't need to answer them, or even try to prove them wrong; they are so by definition and action.

You've always done it your way, on your terms. You have my love, support and trust, and that of so many. And we are legion.

Caryl

CHSIB

Ain't that the truth, well said Caryl

Ditto. A cosmos without Meat Loaf scarcely bears thinking about. At least we will probably see him in some films. I'd like to see him make a film like as a director. Of course I much prefer music.

Meat Loaf, I hope you don't retire like this. I love you, you and your music has helped me through tough times, difficult times, good times, in fact anyone who knows me, knows no matter what mood I am in I always wana listen to Meat Loaf.

We Love you Meat, we are here for you

Meat,

Oh my gosh, please reconsider. Times are rough right now, the water is choppy, but smooth sails are ahead.

Please reconsider. Please!!
We :heart: you!

:heart: have NO idea how much you mean to us! :heart:

Don't want you to quit, but bottom line is will support your decision because you're the man! Thank you for every song you've ever given us, (please, give us more to come :)

Warrio, you put some real thought into this one. ;) And, I couldn't agree more with what you said.

Hopefully, when Meat's had time to consider everything, he will remember that performing is what makes him happy. (I last saw Meat perform live this past April, and he and Paul were grinning like kids at each other through much of the show. They were having a BLAST! It was so much fun to watch. :D)

Yes, the time to hang up the scarf will creep around sometime. But, imho, this is the worst possible time to do it.

We all know this not the way Meat wants to go out - handing himself over to the "ravage aussie beasts". And Meat knows it too.

I believe Meat's innate intelligence is going to prevail after some much needed sleep. Hindsight is always 20/20, and I for one don't want Meat to look back at giving up what he clearly loves because of critics who don't deserve the time of day, rather than when he is ready to do it from the heart, after planning and real consideration of everything involved.

Meat, you've got the love and support of so very, very many. We're here. If you find yourself at the dawn of a new day and still feel the same way, please don't do anything rash. Let's talk!! PLEASE.

With love and deep admiration,

Sue
xo

You always tell us to ''never,ever stop rocking''---now don't you disappoint us!!!You were my very first concert this past summer in Belleville,Meat and you R-O-C-K-E-D!!!Back when I was undergoing cancer[s] treaments..you were my hope.I had promised myself that if I were ever better and able to see you and if you had came around my way;I would see you.You were my ray of sunshine during the darkest of hours.So when I saw you were playing Belleville-3 hours from me..my rock and roll dream came thru and you delivered.I thank you for giving me the experience of seeing a God of Rock perform.I have loved you for 32 yrs and will continue to love you till the day I die..I truly believe that it was you that had pulled me thru cos I don't think I would have survived .Keep on rocking,Meat!!

A huge thank you to you Meat. For all your hard work and dedication. Your music has given me strength in my darkest hours and for that I can never thank you enough.

I truly hope that you reconsider retiring. :( I know you are hurtin' but your true fans love ya and would be gutted to see you retire so soon. You always have my support, love and trust.

Just know that you are love and appreciated.

Shea (Steff)

Well said Caryl. Took the words right out of my mouth.

Shea

Same goes for me Meat. We're here for you big guy.

Shea

Couldn't agree more ice, what gets me through the hardest days is believing that one day when Meat returns to the UK i will get to go to a concert. CHIN UP AND KEEP ROCKIN MEAT!!!!!! WE LOVE YA!!!!!!!

What a lovely sentiment. I have always believed that music has the power to change peoples lives. Over my many years as a Meat Loaf fan, that belief has been reinforced time and again. Whatever you do next Meat, you can be f*#@ing proud!!

Fire Ball, hey! Mate, I agree our climate here is dry, relentlass and unforgiving! I should know, I live on a farm in Northern New South Wales and we've had it dry here at times. Anyway, back to the point mate. I can relate to the dry climate affecting you, because of low humidity. But mate, I need you and all of your fans need you to make a stand here, and to just keep on rocking! :-) Easier said than done I know. I'd hate to even begin to know what you are going through! But mate, I hope you can just get past this, and continue on with your pursuits and goals in the future! You are doing what you love, what you were born to do, and what you are bloody good at! You're a fighter here son! Keep on rocking mate, and just know there is light at the end of the tunnel!!! Know that your devoted fans have got ya back too. We'll stand by you in thick and thin, and will remove any vermon from here and face book! Love you dearly mate, and don't you ever stop rocking!!!!! xoxoxox

I really have an end of an era feeling. I'm sure Meat will give us another great CD and will do whatever he can to make the DVD as perfect as possible since it may be the last live show many of us see. If indeed you are walking away at least you are going out on top.

Meat, the US shows were some of your best received in years. The UK always receives you well. The Aussie press - not even the fans - ~~~~s you over so the last two years doesn't count?

I defend you all the time here, the HCTB shows I've heard are some of my favourite shows you've ever done, I think your last two albums are absolutely killer, I've been to a lot of concerts, worked with a lot of singers, seen Dylan a dozen times, Brian Wilson, R.E.M., Johnny Cash, Leonard Cohen, Alice Cooper, the list goes on, if any of them were playing next door to a Meat Loaf show I'd be at your show every night and thats no bull. They all have their gifts but none of them ever put it on the line every night like you do. You remain my favourite performer, but if a few naysayers - primarily the press, (who's whole motivation these days is putting down celebrities, especially visiting ones) is all it takes to make you hang up your hat, I can't deny I'm disappointed. It'd be sad if 100 years from now when people talk about the blood, sweat and tears, balls to the wall rock star that was Meat Loaf, they have to end the story with 'and then the Aussie press sank their teeth into him and he quit'.

If the adoration and respect of 9000 cheering, paying fans a night can be drowned out by 90 pricks with keyboards, that's a huge shame, it's as good as saying we can't have music and can't have heroes anymore.

I hope once you're out of Oz you feel differently. There's no place like home.

Didn't you say it took you 40+ years to put together the perfect band? To do what, throw them away?

If this really is it, I'll never forget all the energy, effort, comradeship and camaraderie I enjoyed through your music and performance.

The ~~~~~~~s only win if you let them win.

Love you back.

Juniper, you told Meat so beautifully what I tried to get across. I SURE HOPE YOU'RE READING, MEAT! :D ;)

Sue

I hope he is reading too!!!!! HUGS!!!!! I've been practically in tears all afternoon thinking all this mess has finally made him fed up. But if it is TRULY what he WANTS, I'll cry an bear it.... If its not though, we all need to KICK SOME *%#^ for him AND with him!

To Meat,

You are absolutely a TRUE rock star, and an AMAZING entertainer.

The music world at the moment I believe is aload of same old electronic recyled rip off's!

You sir are a ROCK star, who gets in there, digs deep and kicks arse... and kicks arse...

I've been seeing you live in London over the last 13/14 years... and you always blow me away.

There is nobody out there like you. Your a true credit so rock and roll, always will be.... Period!

I love, WE love you!!!
Ben

To me this is like any situation where someone is bullied at work.

If anyone on here has ever been at a job where they had a boss who told them constantly that they "werent good enough", eventually you begin to feel like you really never will be good enough. You start to feel like even though your trying your best, you will only ever be sub-par.

This is how Meat has been treated by the Australian media and AFL fans, and cyber bullies. And for the moment, Meat is really hurt, and I think partially buying into their bullying by believing that he truly is no longer good enough. If he felt otherwise, he would brush it off as ridiculous behavior, but he seems to be buying into the "meat's an old man who is past his prime" shpeil.

That's like saying black people shouldn't vote. And young people cannot possibly understand life. Or that seniors have nothing left to contribute to socity. Or that Middle aged people are too old to go back to school and have a meaningful career.

None of these ideas are "truths". They are stereotypes placed on us by society. They are the types of ideas that destroy hopes and dreams. Telling groups of people who they should be, and what constraints they automatically have on their lives just because of the "group" they belong to.

Meat belongs to the group of rock stars who have been around for 40 years. Performers who have dedicated their lives to entertaining others, and have a tried and true approach that has proved to be immensely successful. These people are still very physically capable of performing, and although ALL of them have different singing voices than they did originally, these people are still talented singers and entertainers who have the ability and experience to entertain people. And it is a tried and true fact that a different voice does not always mean a "better" or "worse" voice. For instance, I fell in love with tom wait's older voice, the scraggly, scratchy screaming older voice. Its awesome to game to with songs like Hoist That Rag. I also love Neil Young's current voice and the emotion he depicts with it.

Meat Loaf is no exception. His current vocal style is powerful and hard. I love that. And over the past year there have been thousands of satisfied fans who love it as well.

What has happened in Australia is a racist attack. Only it is no race they are attacking, it is the group of "Veteran Rockstars". They are viciously picking apart all his personal qualities (that he has no control over) and telling him that he is not worthy because of those qualities.

This, to me, is the utmost example of singling a person out because of something they cannot control. Be it skin color, gender, or age. And it disgusts me. It disgusts me how hurt they have made Meat over it. He cannot control his age and the changes it makes on his body, neither can any of us.

So to end what I am trying to say. Let me reiterate that nothing about Meat Loaf has changed. He still gives his all, his performances still rock like the previous Hang Cool Tour shows, and he is still a veteran performer who is very, very good at entertaining others.

What HAS changed is that he is being bullied because of who he is. And this I cannot stand for. None of us should stand for this.

And Meat, if your reading this, please, please do not let these people's bullying cause you to end your career. We know your a figher, and you need to stand up to these bullies and say "I will not let you limit my life. Or change my plans for my future just because you hurt me". They dont deserve that power over you. Don't give it to them.

Great post, Stretch. :metal:

There has never been a more appropriate song than this one, IMO. It's one that filled me with happiness as soon as you started singing it last year:

YouTube Video

especially these lyrics:

"You can't run away for ever
But there's nothing wrong with getting a good head start
You want to shut out the night, you wnat to shut down the sun
You want to shut away the pieces of a broken hear"

"I treasure your love
I never want to lose it
You've been through the fires of hell, and I know you've got the ashes to prove it

I treasure your love
I want to show you how to use it
You've been through a lot of pain in the dirt, and I know you've got the scars to prove it
Remember everything that I told you, and I'm telling you again that it's
true
When you're alone and afraid, and you're completely amazed
To find there's nothing anybody can do
Keep on believing"

If meat calls it a day, then that's fine by me. I'd rather Meat goes on to do things that make him happy rather than have to put up with whatever for very little reward.

Thanks Man. I PM'ed it to meat so hopefully it makes him feel a little better. He really is being bullied and its not fair. :(

Oh Meat, you don't know how devastated I am at reading this. They don't speak for the majority, We, your fans, want you to keep on rocking for a long time to come. I don't know anything about keys, but I know what I like to hear and I have loved every single concert of yours I have ever gone to. Please take some time out, give yourself a well earned break and reconsider. Like many others on here have said, don't let the arseholes win. Go out there and keep on proving them wrong.

Carole

Thank you Meat, for all the wonderful music & enjoyment you have given us over the years. I will always be your loyal fan, forever and always.

Love you too
Carole

I think you speak for all of us, well said.

Carole

Lets just hope Meat comes back on here soon and lets us know he he's doing. Sounds really upset. I hope the whole band knows how he feels and that they're talking about it, and planning how to deal with it.

He's right, at his age, and with what he's done in his life, he shouldn't have to put up with this shit right now. Its too much, probably extremely overwhelming.

Then again, you can't control people, they do and say what they please. When I find myself in these situations, my best bet is usually to talk to people, like my councillor or best friends. Have them remind you that you are good enough the way you are, and bullies are usually insecure themselves. They bully others because they are themselves the victims of bullies. You have to get back to that comfortable center of "this is who I am, this is what I do, it is good enough, I do it because I love this work, and my good work ethic should always be enough to get me through anything"

Meat, you show me the enemy, someone I can fight to help you conquer these cyber bullies, and I will do whatever I can to help.

I just can't see who the enemy is right now. Its hard to tell who is upsetting you the most. But show me to to fight and I will fight for you. :cool:

don't give up. you are the best. Come back to usa and europe, here you have truly fans. We want to see u in europe this year ;)

IMHO we need to give Meat his space right now ... but, as you say, hopefully he'll come back on here when he's ready to let us know he's doing better. I know he has said in the past how he considers the band his family, so at least we know he has someone else to talk to if he needs it.

Can't help thinking that, in this instance, it was us. The straw that broke the camel's back, with that thread about changing keys of the classic songs. I mean, I hope Meat knows that we discuss that stuff because we're just brain storming ideas, but I guess with all the criticism at the minute it could've come across in the wrong way :?

I hope we can set the record straight. As tacky as it sounds, it was done out of love and our want for him to succeed.

I hope Meat takes some time, talks to some people, before he decides on what he wants to do.

I'm hoping Meat hops back on soon, too. If my time converter is correct, it's approaching 9:30 a.m., his time.

And, I'm certain the band knows and is doing their very best to support him the best way they know how to. I think Meat and the NLE enjoy a relationship more akin to a family relationship than employer-employee.

Fingers crossed that he is feeling better now, and Monday's frustrations were just that - vents to friends and he is now once again in kick butt, rock 'n' roll MEAT LOAF mode! :D

Sue

Meat has true fans in Australia. It's not his fans that are causing this, it is the media and a few on-line bullies. Don't confuse us and lump us all in together. Meat has true fans in every country, not just in some.

Carole

yeah I think your right, it did come across the wrong way. But with all the criticism from Aus, I think everything starts to look like criticism eventually....

Exactly right Carole. Even though I'm in the USA, I know there are several true fans such as yourself, Mel and others here on the forum from Australia that also love and support Meat.

Vicki

It is unfortunate that all the online bullies who kept saying Meat should call it a day may have ironically gotten their way. Most of those people were likely never fans anyway and even fewer probably went to a concert. They wanted to spoil everything for Meat and they seem to have accomplished it. We all feel supportive of Meat and want the best for him. I will accept whatever decision he has made. Say it ain't so, but it seems the cyber bullies and stupid media have won this go round. Makes you wonder who the next target will be and if this will embolden them even more.

Exactly :(

Well Madonna was booed as she arrived at her movie premiere before they had even seen the movie. A bit mean I thought.

Carole

Totally agree, great post, as sad as that reality is.

When I first heard of the concept of having a "web identity", like having people display who they are at all times, I disliked the idea, for security purposes.

But with this issue with Meat, I'm really starting to come around to the idea that if people are no longer "anonymous", they will post with more caution.

To see someone I know and care about, who I see perform and sweat and cry and laugh with us, be treated this way by anonymous internet jerks is heart breaking. And I want justice, but how can you get justice when people are anonymous?

I saw that on TV today, and they said the fans booed her because she didn't come over to talk to them, even though some had been waiting for hours. In all fairness, that isn't her fault.

The majority of the internet is a universe full of fools and trolls who hide behind a keyboard and write anything they think might be controversial or harsh in order to satisfy there sad little existence. They write disgusting comments without any form of conscious or humanity, it is disturbing and worrying but something that has existed for a long time and will never go away. And for the media and the press...they have always been that way, editing things, jumping of the band wagon making stories from nothing at all. There are very few reliable journalistic newspapers and sites that just report facts and don’t distort truth in order to favour a particular side. I have said this before but even megastars like Adele has said she wouldn’t dare go on youtube because of the hideous and hurtful comments people say would make her want to quit, the joys of freedom of speech ay?

I HOPE this is Meat pissed and he won’t actually take the drastic action of hanging up the hanky. Simply for the fact it sends a message to the people that they have some form of control over the lives and careers of others because of there views and opinions. Sadly people are influenced by the media on politics and popular culture, the media tells people what to wear, what to listen to, what to watch and who to vote for and sadly many people follow it, believe in it and conform to it.

But perhaps more importantly i can say with my hand on my heart i don’t think Meat is at a stage in his career where he should give it up because he can’t perform any longer. Meat knows deep down inside he still has it, he can still put on a tremendous shows. He knows the majority of his fans go home happy, i will honestly say when i feel time has caught up with the guy and he should call in a day (and that day scares me if it ever happens) but that day in my view has yet to come.

We can only imagine the pain Meat must feel, i feel deeply sorry for him and he has my full support. The hatred people have is cruel and unjustified and when you feel the world is against you, you just want to get away and leave it behind. I hope Meat comes here and realises how much we love him and we are all here for him. While i respect his decision i hope he gets back on the saddle, brushes it off and puts Australia behind him. The states and Europe are waiting for the album, they are waiting for Meat.

That's awful :( It wasn't her fault ... maybe she was in a hurry and had someplace else to go after the premiere :shrug:

Very well said.

I agree, Meat needs some space. He has things to do, things to focus on, raw feelings to heal, and some distance to put between himself and all the nonsense and ignorant abuse he's suffered. I believe he knows that he does what he does to fulfil his own passion and for his fans, and he knows his fans love him, still want to see him doing what he does so well, and support and love him ... and that will endure whatever he does or doesn't do.

You can only be pushed so far .. then you need time to regroup and get clarity. Meat isn't the man to give in to bullies who are simply not part of why he performs. He's achieved a peak in his game this past couple of years, and deserves when he does hang up the concert shoes to do this on a high, and because he has yet more roads to travel and mountains to scale. That seems to be to be the essence of this remarkable man.

One of the most valuable things I've learned is that sometimes if you want an answer now it will have to be no .. if you are prepared to wait, it might be yes.

We also serve who simply stand and wait ;)

Caryl

very well said.

Very Well Said. Thank you!