Gary Busey on the Tonight Show TONIGHT
 

While not Meat himself, Gary will be on and no doubt will be talking about him and Meat. Hopefully he will shed some positive light :)

Thanks to VickiP for the info.

Leno airs on NBC at 11:35 EST

Oh....oh gawds

grrrr I'm getting a bit fed up with this guy making out that he is the wee innocent victim a part of me wishes meat would do an interview and set the record straight that there was other crap that happened off camera that led to meat getting angry over the paints and to be honest I don't get the whole genius thing I have a cousin who plays the same card acting all deep and connected saying things that you would read in a fortune cookie and really he is just a tw*t who spend all his time thinking of crap to say to make him seem intelligent, I really hope that the pain that busey really is comes to light because i find it hard to sit back and see a really nice sweet guy like meat get the short straw all his team mates stick by him because he is a good guy they know it, it is that the just the gullible viewers don't, meat was really nice and kind to me when i met him even though i got starstruck and barely spoke he made me laugh and gave me a hug and kiss on the head after telling me to come over to a corner of the tent with him because he was shy too, i didn't because I was too dumbfound and wasn't sure if he was joking anyway my brother went up after me and he said to him i hope you don't want a kiss too lol sorry long post but I had to vent - meat love ya -

I've not seen the show, as I live in the UK. But I'm guessing from this post that Meat was made to look like the bad guy again? :evil: I could find a way to watch the show, as I do The Apprentice, but if it just makes Meat look bad again, then I won't bother!

nah its not that it makes meat out to be the bad guy its just that they dont show the background just make it out to be an incident over paints I am more reffering to busey on the tonight show making out that the team want him gone due to jealousy etc and that idiot on the view making out meat was the bad guy that should have been fired I just think it sucks that the whole story isn't out there and people are pre judging, I am from the UK too I watch it on youtube ;)

Quick observation:

Gary has been on how many talk shows since the incident? Way TOO MANY! Why? Not because his version of the event is sooo "accurate", but because it attracts viewers... That's all its about. They don't really care about what happened, they just care about the hype... (Why els do they only invite Gary over? Why has nobody invited Meat {just a presumption, because i don't see him on any talk shows}) I still think that Gary didnt think much of the confrontation until Meat apologized...
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Anyway! We Still Love You Meat :D:lol:

:lol: Have to agree .. he just stood there like a moonstruck moose. After being booted off (as I'm sure he will be soon) he can see how exasperated the others were with him, so I guess it's predictable he's now frantically swimming for the shore and making out people had a down on him as he milks whatever publicity he can get; and as you say it's being hyped for effect and to fill the endless trivial "chat" shows.

He and what happened will soon be yesterday's news, and Meat looks the better man for apologising and moving on without blaming or making excuses. Plus people will watch the rest of the shows and see the Meat we know, and who has been terrific in everything he's done throughout the series so far, apart from just a minute or so loss of patience and composure. Busey somehow manages a career with his erratic way of going about things. Imo Meat, who continually earns respect on every film set he works on, and still has us queuing to get into his shows will be just fine ;)

Caryl

That's because you are looking at things logically and in context.

What about all those who won't be watching the rest of the shows? What about the large amount of people who will only see Meat's explosion either on chat shows, or via Youtube. To them Meat will just be a crazy old man who lost it over some paint. :shrug:

:twisted: To be fair, I think most (intelligent) people who watch that clip will assume that there is more to the situation than meets the eye.

People don't tend to blow up like that for no reason.

But what percentage of chatshow / Youtube viewers are intelligent enough to realise this? :shock:

Unfortunately, as much as it saddens me, I have to agree with that. For some people, this will be the one and only thing they see of Meat Loaf. If they saw anything else it may end up being Busey's appearance on the Tonight Show, spewing his totally fabricrated and untrue story of events. That only confirms their negative impression of Meat.
The naysayers and the negative thinkers are going to have a negative opinion no matter what someone else says. They aren't even going to try to see another side of it. The only info they will pay attention to is that which supports their already preconceived, judgemental negative opinion. For me to attempt to post anything in defense of Meat is only adding fuel to the fire and giving them more of a chance to continue posting their negativity. There is a saying "You can't have a battle of wits with an unarmed person." And these people are witless. These people are just going to continue saying their ignorant, negative, judgemental, baseless accusations and opinions.
As much as it irritates and saddens me, I can't do much about it. All I can say is that Meat is human, I am a fan and I will continue to support him. And I have to just let it go

:twisted: True.
But those people are more likely to buy a Justin Bieber CD than a Meat Loaf album anyway, so no big loss :shrug:

:twisted: Otherwise known as his side of the story :lol:
Who knows what he's going to say?


I think most people have their minds made up about Meat already.You either love him or hate him, and nothing on a reality show is going to change peoples feelings.


I can imagine people on the Gary Busey forum posting the exact same thing about him :lol:



Who are "they"? :bleh:
People on youtube?
It's best not to argue with them because the people who say things about Meat are the ones who have never liked him, and arging with them just keeps dragging something on that would quickly die a death if was allowed.
The more you tell people they are wrong the more they dig their heels in.

Best approach :up:

I honestly wouldn't worry about that program having any negative effect on Meat's career.

You are right, that is the problem. We are not dealing with intelligent, fair-minded people here. Yet, they are the people that others are listening to and getting the most attention . Need to follow my own advice - let it go and leave it alone.

Agreed, and that was my point. Probably many of those for whom this will be the one and only thing they see of Meat Loaf would regard him as the antichrist for using the F word in a concert anyway, and they don't put food on his table. Quite a lot of internet posting from those who haven't watched the show or noticed the frustration building in Team Backbone think it was staged; some even suggest it was scripted.

I am always pleasantly surprised at how many people I meet over here who know who he is, like his music and his shows, and generally have the impression he's a good bloke. I doubt their view will change because of this, and I can't see his US fans changing because of a manic actor blowing smoke and claiming everyone had a down on him. Those who go to concerts go for a great night out, which they'll still have. Those who follow his career more closely will probably suspect there's more to it than Busey's account, and if it matters to them will probably look a bit closer and see that there is.

I agree, it's over and done. Meat will continue to be successful long after this bit of internet titillation is forgotten, and the less it's a hot topic the quicker that will happen. Sunday evening something else will kick off in CA and that will occupy the minds and indignant fingers from last week.

Caryl

please remember, there are 3 sides to every story ;)

(possibly 4 sides to this story due to tv editing)

Gary's story of the events of the blow-up were 100% untrue. He lied! There is no other side in that case. That comment I will absolutely stand by.

Have you actually watched Gary's full appearance on THe Tonight Show?

You can't possibly be 100% sure that Gary lied unless you were there, which I assume you weren't. :shrug:

Well I don't know what stories are true. Meat said here that the bag with paint that was found was from Busey and Gary used Meat's paint.

Here is a clip from Lil John at Lopez. At the 5.15 mark. Lopez asks if Meat was right and Lil Jon says 'No Meat just snapped, Gary didn't take his stuff it was somewhere in a corner.'

YouTube Video

Oh well, it's not gaining Meat any fans, this way. In the end, people know/remember nothing about this series except that Meat lost it over some paint. Wario says Meat made TV history... Basically Wario says this is a scene that makes people laugh about Meat several times a year when it comes back in all those silly 'Top 25 moments of reality tv' or something.This scene will always be pulled out of context. It's Meat's 'Michael Jackson dangling his kid from the window' moment. I don't like it a single bit. Garey actually looks like the sane person here. I mean... WTF!:shock:

Some people. Some will watch the whole series and if they have any wit will frm any ipressions on the whole, not just a few minutes. And some won't watch it anyway. Next week it will be last week's news. Hopefully here too.

It's one incident (and Michael Jackson had many). It's done and gone. Meat can't do any more than he did, which was apolgise and take responsibility, and dwelling on it won't change anything, nor help him imo. Meat's still the same decent man and great performer he's always been, and that's what will really count imo, and should certainly count with his fans who have much more on which to base their impressions than one episode of a reality show.

Caryl

I think this is being blown out of all proportion - it isn't going to be remembered like any of the Michael Jackson incidents; it's no way near that big. It's a reality TV moment, and it's over, and anyone with eyes can see that it's out of the context of events that happened.

Exactly. It'll all blow over once they show the big NeNe / Star confrontation .. IMHO the best thing to do at this point is just let it go and move on.

I think you're right, Vicki. The more we talk about it, the longer it goes on, and the more Meat is being reminded of something that he would rather forget.

There's a reason Lil' Jon went along with what the editors did. Lil' Jon could've been in trouble if he let loose the fact the bag was not Meat's on a national TV show like Lopez. He may not be allowed to go to the finally or may strike his chances of winning if hes in the final two. At this moment the meat fight is whats probably gonna bring in the ratings for this week's episode. If people find out some of it was edited in gary's favor, it may backfire on ratings. Let the public think what they want to think.
Its just reality TV. Meat said himself "I think I recover" and he sure will.

people aren't violating his FB wall with abusive messages, which tells you at least something.

I bet you 50 bucks this will all be forgotten once the NeNe fight hits and that makes the headlines.

Yes, and if we want to show support we might remember that imo

Caryl

"I can imagine people on the Gary Busey forum posting the exact same thing about him "

I'm pretty sure his 6 fans are busting up a storm on his blog :D

:lmao:

i agree with you Caryl

I spoke with Lil Jon after this and said remember about the paints, He said"oh Yeah" I forgot. Again the paints were not what the fight was about.
LIL Jon is not going on TV and telling you what Gary is really like !! now is he. I wouldn't either. I will be doing some TV in the next month. I didn't want to until the next show ran. Some more light will be shed on Gary this week. I am the best thing to happen to Gary Busey in 20 years. In the end it won't help him.

Well with his version he didn't make you look good. Which is my whole point.

This clip is all over the internet. Celeb Apprentice isn't that big in the world and people -not following CA- only see snippets on the internet. Look at you tube right now and search for celebrity apprentice and you get 'Meat Loaf meltdown' clips on the first 3 pages. Search for Meat Loaf and you get the same. In fact the clip is bigger than the entire show.

No it's not as big as Michael Jackson because Meat doesn't have MJ's fanbase. Two weeks ago Meat Loaf was "that fat guy from Bat Out of Hell and Anything for Love" now he is "that old moron who loses his temper over paint and needs anger managment".

Sorry but I don't like that

I'm sure things will pass etc etc. But I prefer when my friends talk about the guy of Bat or AFL. That makes it more likely they try to listen to his latest album.

Last time you were happy to say he made TV history with this clip. Yes Meat will recover but this will bounce back many times. I bet you the 50,- USD that when Meat is going to promote the new album much of the promo interviews will be regarded to this single clip. Again it won't be about the album.

I hope I'm wrong but I fear I'm not.

Thanks Meat, I'm sure you are!!! I can't wait to see this weeks episode 'Australian Gold'. I did see a small preview clip and I think I know what you mean. Yeah we know it wasn't about the paints, but unfortunately the public think that.

Carole

Someone said to me today, Gary couldn't shed light on an issue if he held the sun in his hand ;) I think the programe has already shed quite a lot though to those without blinkers.

:lol: .. ain't that the truth! He's making sure he gets in all the spotlights being offered at the moment; like you, I doubt it will benefit in the long run

Caryl

I don't think LIL Jon made me look bad, He talked about dealing with Gary and said I was a real man stood up and said I was sorry. Lil Jon is on the new album. He would not do anything on purpose to make me look bad.
Meat

Glad to hear it Meat, Lil Jon seems like a good bloke. It's great he's on your new album, can't wait to hear it.

Carol

you are the best thing to happen to Gary Busey in years Meat and aint he milking it but people like him come unstuck in the end

Well nobody looks at the Lopez show anyway :lol:

I just hope this isn't going to be the subject that is gonna highlight the HiaB promo interviews etc. I'm sure you can 'joke it off' but I guess it would be annoying if it keeps mentioned when it should be about the album/music. All in all there will be a relativly short amound of time between this 'internet hit' and the September release of the Album.

On the other hand if the 'Meat exploded because of some paint' clip results in more TV exposure for Meat and the opportunity to plug the album, then it can't be all bad. :shrug:

I agree. He didn't make you look bad at all. Good to hear he's on the new album; I'll look forward to that :-)

Caryl

Very well said Meat ..... and I absolutely agree with you about Gary.
I'm really looking forward to the episode this week, and hearing more of what you have to say on tv next month.

I absolutely agree with you about Lil Jon ... imo he, John Rich and Mark McGrath are all very classy guys who have been very supportive. That's great that Lil Jon's on the new cd .. I can't wait to hear it !

Exactly right Battybarb :-)

Ok, asked she who must be obeyed and who's music knowledge is not to be sniffed at who Lil Jon is and what he does.................Please tell me this isn't gonna be a "Patrick goes hip hop" concept album.

I think I agree. By the time any promo is taking place, (and as you say it may even prompt more invitations) if and when the issue is raised Meat will have the rest of the series to reference in terms of his contrbution. And he's no slouch in managing interviews to get the message across that he wants. For a start he can segue quickly into Lil John being on the album :-) I'd also place the smart money on many watching such interviews being either unaware of what had happened, or having got on with several months of life and forgotten all about it.

I remain convinced that this is an internet gossip fest that will be replaced as quickly with the next one. He didn't eat a live kitten for heaven's sake! And anyway, people don't buy his records and go to shows because they expect to see an unassuming gentle crooner in a cardigan and slippers .. they expect to see fire, passion, a big rocker with a huge stage personality.

Caryl

I told you not to say anything, now you have spoiled the whole surprise :-)
M

:lmao:

Wish we had an icon for .. and OFF the bloody chair!! :lol: :lol:

Caryl
thinking it's probably that ghastly green thing with teeth, but I can't bear to use it :lol:

Couple of whiskeys and I'm useless at secrets, guess I should've told you that :D

only a couple :lmao:

Ha ha Meat, you're funny!!!! :lol:

Carole

I've kept my involvement secret so far, when do you need me back in the studio?

Just as soon as Lil Jon needs to add the "C" to rap :lmao::lmao:

exactly

I think I just died...

Meat Lil Jon Doing a duet would be freaking awesome!

are Mark and John Rich making appearances on the album?

you and john be doing a version of Save a Horse (Ride a Cowboy) would be a freaking AWESOME b-side or extra hidden track :))

It's funny you say that ... I heard the song on the radio today and thought exactly the same thing :-) I would LOVE to hear Meat and John do a song together !!

nobody remembers when i said i would buy 200 copies of the new album if it was released by september, right? it never happened ok, october would be a better month to release it Meat:D

You can only help people if they are willing to take it Meat. I don't claim to know Gary but it seems to me that he is clearly trying to be passive aggressive. Make himself seem like the nice guy when the cameras are rolling. Yes he has had a brain injury like people are saying. But really when it comes down to it, I remember what he was like before he was injured. He has always been a difficult personality to deal with.

I give you huge credit for trying to help him out. I didn't expect that anyone from the show would shedding much light about Gary for a bit. I look forward to seeing what you have to say about the whole thing :-)

If people can't understand the fact that what is aired on reality tv is not always the whole story well...so be it. The whole "melt down" thing...whatever. My opinion of you won't change. :-) It hasn't for the 30 + years I have followed your career. You are a survivor, this whole thing will blow over once people get bored enough.

Shea

That's great news I can't wait to hear it!!!! :-)

We are all doing a song together called "Stand In the Storm"

PS no Gary !!!!

yeah, not a good album choice. BUT....
you and him should do a duet of the song "Masculine" for the celebrity apprentice finale. lol

I remember.

:roll:

has it a banjo solo?

Hahaha, I can just Imagine Gary singing the Lead* vocals! It would sound a lot like a Rammstein cover!

Meat Loaf + Lil John = {Bigger that Jay-z / Mr. Hudson }

SOOO STOKED!

That is so cool :)) :lol:

Sweet, can't wait to hear the end product, sounds very interesting!

Now this should be straight up awesome, the Meat & Lil John combination alone has such epic potential. Makes me want to hear a little bit of it really bad, can't wait for the album.

My mind flashed to "If It Rains" but with the collaboration names I can't help but think "The Thunder Rolls".....my interest is peaked.

Most definately something to look forward to ,cant wait :-)

sounds great Meat, cant wait:D,, just remember release it in october:lol:

:twisted: Dude, don't even joke :wtf:

:twisted: I've just looked him up on youtube (I had to look him up because i'm a rock fan not a rap fan, which explains my presence on this forum).
He's shit (and these were music vids, not vids recorded by fans at a concert on a phone).

He's everything that Meat Loaf is not (but perhaps that's the point to you), but I wonder how many people will tell you that he adds a fresh new perspective to your brand new sound? :facepalm:

Once you said "if I ever get hip, shoot me".
Somewhere between then and now something has gone horribly wrong :sad:

a bit early to judge what Meat has planned?

Neil man, relax bro.

the song Lil Jon is doing does not necessarily mean its going to be hip hop. Jon and Meat are good friends and want to do a song together. John Rich and Mark McGrath are also going to be in the song, so its gonna be VERY interesting. :)

:twisted: Maybe you're right.


I just can't fit the words "Meat Loaf" "rapper" "duet" "exciting" "good" "in this or any other alternate reality" into the same sentence.

sniper riffles at the ready!!!! Meats about to release an album with no long hair and white frilly shirts, with no 70,s power ballads!!!! how dare he move forward:lol:

I can.

Just pretend in an alternate reality "Do It!" was a duet with biggie smalls:

Man, Meat Loaf is a great rapper and the duet with biggie smalls was exciting, fresh, and good!

well i guess i kind of see where your coming from? but in Meat i trust,

kate voegele - devil in me? just heard it a few minutes ago, could it be? just a long shot of course?

:twisted: On what planet or plane of reality is a rock legend doing a duet with a rapper a move forward? :nuts:

I've got to sleep tonight.
I'll do it better without that thought in my head :bleh:


I'm a ROCK fan.
Rappers can kiss my ass.
If Meat is getting a rapper in on his new album you can just call me doubting mouse.

i do know where you are coming from, im not a fan of rap myself, BUT on some rare occasions it has worked? but again nobody has heard the song so?

Worked wonders for Aerosmith when Joe and Steve teamed up with Run DMC...

David Bowie and Freddie Mercury, Puff Daddy and Faith Evans, John Travolta and Olivia Newton-John... I'm all For uncommon Duets! Whether it Meat+ Lil Jon, Meat+ ABBA or Meat+ David Guetta... Meat's unique approach to music is what captivates me

:D

Exactly right.

I see the concerns Neil is facing, but once he hears the song he will be adding it to his karaoke sets come 2012

:twisted: I wasn't a fan myself.

That has got to be THE dumbest thing you have ever said on here Chris.
Congratulations, the bar has been lowered :mrgreen:

Yay! lol

Mark McGrath, guitar driven rock; John Rich, country; Lil John, rap.

Perhaps it will be 4 men who have become friends and who are all in the music business singing a song that Meat has chosen to have a fit in his next album? As with Meat's apple pie, I'll wait until I've sampled it before I put my Masterchef judge's hat on ;)

I'm a MEAT fan; love his rock, love his ballads. I also love his current sound, and I can't see him turning his back on that; he says he's been recording with the whole band, and on the performances I've seen this tour, that'll do nicely thank you :-)

Caryl

:twisted: If I see a chef says hye's putting strychnine in an apple pie, i'm not going to take a bite.
Doesn't matter what hat i'm wearing.

Likewise, if you put a rapper on a song, i'm not going to listen to it because I don't want my ears to bleed.

I know i keep bringing up this example, but this reminds me of the JayZ - Mr Hudson collaboration... Mixing up a rock /classics with raps isnt easy, but if they can do it Meat sure as hell can! As a fan I believe everybody should give him the benefit of the doubt... Meat is experienced enough to decide which projects he should jump at, and if he wants to do this, its because he knows it will work ;)

:twisted: Perhaps there is a reason for that? :wink:

Nothing worth doing is ever easy:roll:

I don't like rap, but I doubt we'll hear the four of them rapping. It's one song on an album. Four men from different musical genres, three of whom AREN'T rappers. No strychnine, just a song, and I am certain my ears won't bleed when I listen to it. Will I like it? I hope so. When will I know? When I listen to it. What's the worst that can happen? I might not like that track, and will use my healthy ears to listen to the others.

My thoughts :-) As you say, if anyone can do it Meat can, and he'll be delivering an album as a whole and ensuring tracks fit together and deliver HIS sound.

Caryl

it might well surprise a lot of people and you wont know till you listen to it if you will like it or not and hopefully it will be a nice surprise

maybe, but without it it's arguable that the band's future would have been very different. They'd had lineup changes and poor sales in previous years, and this single rejuvenated the band and their fans, and found them a heck of a lot more along the way. It led the way for Permanent Vacation and Pump, two of the biggest 80's rock albums, and signalled the start of their second 'golden era'.

Yay! No Gary. :D Can't wait to hear/ see it. Love the title.

I'm not a fan of rap either. Just because he usually sings rap, doesn't mean he will sing rap on this album, he will sing whatever style Meat is singing for the album and whatever fits. I'm sure he can be versatile and adapt and sing rock. Like Caryl, I will reserve judgement until I hear it myself, and am sure my ears won't bleed either.

Carole

yeah that's what i think as well, there's no point in putting much thought and judgement into something i havent heard yet ;)

Jury's out until I hear it, but hey, it worked for Michael Jackson with Black or White.

No Gary! Say it ain't so Meat! I would have bet the house that Gary would be in your next album!!! :) Wait, do they still make albums? :)

Meat....I don't know what your relationship is with Gary, if there is one, but he is a moron. I feel sorry for the injuries he has suffered, and if that's why he is the way he is.....well, I'm sorry for that too. I can't pin it all on that though. I have no idea how you and the rest of the guys put up with him! Note to Donald Trump: if replay is now acceptable in Major League Baseball......let's use it in Celebrity Apprentice. There have been numerous instances where people have outright lied.....like Gary did last night. I think it would be great for Trump to go to the tape and see who's telling the truth. It won't happen, but Busey really pissed me off last night!!! I have no idea how this whole thing turns out Meat, but you have certainly shown yourself to be a class act. That's no surprise to those like me who have followed your career for over 30 years, but it's nice that others get to see you as the man we know you are.

:up:

Garth Brooks ? Thunder Rolls? Nothing like either AC/DC meets ZZ top meets
Hank Williams Jr. meets the Who meets Run DMC

Very cool :))