Kasim working with Jim
 

According to the message posted by Kasim yesterday on the KasimInfo.com site, he's (in his own words) "just got back from a recording session for a secret project with Jim Steinman".

No further info than that, but enough to start the speculation no doubt ...

Past experience leads me to believe absolutely nothing will come of it. :roll:

The speculation usually lasts for much longer than the project :-(

Fingers crossed though ...

Cant say im too excited. Id like to see Jim concentrating solely on the bat musical.

Perhaps these things are related?

I would imagine that that's exactly what he is doing, with Kasim's views on being true to the original Bat arrangements I'd imagine he'd be perfect to have on board.

Exactly.

As far as being a secret project though I think it's failed! :lol:

<<Finds himself agreeing with Smoggy..........needs a lie down now

Smoggy?

if it helps to actually produce something in the form of the Bat musical then it has to be a good thing.

It had to happen :))

ah. your smoggy

It's remarkable that they consider the bat musical a secret projetct. ;)

It would be great to see some "new" Steinman stuff soon. His work pace seems to be rather slow but maybe collaborating with a qualified partner will accelerate it and lead to interesting results? It's good that Steinman is obviously working on something and I hope it's a project that will actually see the light of day.

I like Kasim. And I like the idea that he has been working on something with Jim. I can't imagine it's connected with the Bat musical, because I don't think that's really a secret. Like others said, I do hope we get to hear it (and soon).

I'd like to hear Roy Bittan is working with Jim, some of Jims most epic songs are with him at the piano.

I cannot imagine any musician I would be more pleased to see working on this than Roy Bittan :up: (I'll leave it at that because if I start on how immense Roy is I'll still be sitting here when the musical comes out!)

:twisted: It would be nice to see Max Weinberg's name pop up :metal:

Roy AND Max...I would combust!

I think it probably is. Kasim has said elsewhere that he's working on "projects" with Jim:

My guess is that it will be the musical and a CD timed to come out around the same time.

This thread has been cleaned up after having to be locked.

Please note that this thread will be locked again permanently and infraction points issued if it goes the same way as yesterday, keep the discussion to the topic in hand which is Kasim working with Jim and what that may produce and NOT what may or may not have happened between Meat and Kasim.

One thing that does kind of surprise me is that Meat and Jim both seem to work within the same small circle of musicians. So Kasim is working with Jim and Mark Alexander has been asked to work on the musical. Its interesting that after all the musicians that Jim has worked with, he has gone back to the beginning with Kasim.

its strange to be honest, but then the more i think about it and what has happened it tends to make sense:shock:

Not strange at all. He prefers to work with people he's familiar with.

Often there's a core group of musicians who work with a single artist.

Paul McCartney, Eric Clapton & Elton John, all have a familiar group that they work with regularly. Jim is no different.

except Meat ? ;)

He's never worked with mark alexander and its been years since he worked with Kasim. My point is that I would have thought he would have some new blood to work with, like maybe some musicians from the DREAM ENGINE.

Remember the Dream Engine was more a Rinkoff project than a Jim project.

Do you think Kasim will work with Meat Loaf ever again?

I think it's more than likely.

i wouldnt say so, as he does not like the direction Meat is going in:lol:

But if Meat were to have a spot on the soundtrack CD, then chances are Kasim will also be on it. If Meat were to show up to the opening night (for example) and perform an encore of Bat Out Of Hell, then chances are Kasim will also be a part of it. :cool:

Perhaps there may be a couple of new songs? :shrug:

That has been debated endlessly and there is only one way to find out! :lol:

Very true. I'd honestly rather go to a Meat show and hear Meat, Patti, and the NLE sing the songs than to see a musical with other singers.

New songs would be interesting but I just don't see them all working together again. With the constant remarks about the "food group" and such.

Based on the things that Kasim has said, in public, about Meat, I would say that it is very unlikely that they would ever work together again.

I do hope that this "secret" project that Kasim & jim are working on goes well.

:twisted: Can we once more steer the subject away from Kasim Vs Meat please.

It's what got the thread locked last time, and it's what will happen again.

Out of curiosity, if there was a thread titled "Kasim VS. Meat", would the subject then be open for discussion?

D. :cool:

:twisted: As nobody has all the facts concerning what happened between Meat and Kasim, and what was said by who, and seeing that the lack of this info could only lead the forum into wild speculation and fracturing into two waring factions one of which has decided they hate Kasim and the other faction deciding the people who hate Kasim are loonies, there is not a icicles hope in hell of having that thread on this forum at this time.

I think that's made our position clear :bleh:

If not, PM a mod and ask them direct as this subject is closed on this thread.

its good news (if anything comes from it)

I suppose your right. But its nothing I would be interested in. Even the dream engine concerts didn't sound right without Meat singing.

Kasim just mentioned in an interview that he is working on a secret project with Jim Steinman (as we already know), but also that it has to do with musical theater :-)

http://www.kasiminfo.co.uk/2011/02/KS020811.mp3

Well, I'm scratching my head here as to what that could possibly mean ..... ;-)

Wild stab in the dark time, do you think that Jim could possibly have enlisted Kasim to work on a project to bring the Bat Out Of Hell music to the stage? I know it's never been mentioned, but I always thought Jim's music firmly had its roots in musical theatre, and that BooH could potentially make a great musical, maybe based loosely on the Peter Pan and Neverland theme. :))

>>Has deep respect for those who think so far out of the box, nice thought, might even work :-P

That's way too far-fetched to be true. What has your crystal ball been smoking?

Agree

Meats not aloud to talk about the Bat musical i thought? as was Jim not aloud to say anything about Bat 3. there was something on here in the past saying something of this nature i think? could be wrong, but there was something along those lines. anyway i would imagine that Meat will get alot of attention if the musical ever happens, even if hes not directly involved. imo i dont see Meat having too much to do with it? as he would get most of the attention and im sure that would not go down too well? it didnt in 1977

I think Meat's not allowed to say anything negative about the Bat musical in the same way Jim couldn't say anything negative about Bat 3. :twisted:

well i suppose theres nothing Meat can say about the Bat musical? it dont exist:D

I agree.

I'll believe it when I see it.

From what I can deduce Jim doesn't really seem to have music on his mind at the moment, going by his Facebook profile and what has been happening over the last decade. On his profile he seems to like to post some vids about his clothing ideas and random political stuff. Not saying that an artist can't do those things but keeping your main work a "secret" seems ludicrous to me in a time when probably the majority of people don't care about it except for his most dedicated fans, which figure I reckon is only in the thousands and hardly enough to consider filling a theatre night after night. Thus perhaps the secret element is only there so that no one will be expecting anything as not to disappoint anyone when things don't come of the ground, like what happened with the Batman musical.

In either case it doesn't sound like anything is at an advanced stage. At this rate I really don't think we will ever see this musical. I hope to be proven wrong but it's been what, like 5 years since we heard Jim talk about this idea. What's been done in all that time. To then present a musical with mostly old material really seems incredibly unproductive for an experienced song writer and composer.

I am not trying to debunk Jim's skills. I think he is an awesome songwriter, absolutely the best. But to have someone like Justin Hawkins contribute songs to Meat Loaf whilst we know Jim still has a few which he could sing and instead are gathering dust is a completely preposterous situation from two men who brought two of the best albums ever produced.

And the clock is ticking....

My guess is they are doing demos for the Musical . I wish the 2 of us would do some more songs together , I have reached out several times . My reply has been to busy with the Musical.
M

:-(

Most of the songs are either 30 or 20 years old. I bet the rest were all originally going to be for Batman or the Dream Engine, so what can possibly need to be demoed again? :shrug:

Shhhh! It's a secret.

This musical should have been finished long ago. :roll:

Maybe we should check with Steven Stuarts' 100 year old mother. Jim working with such a youthful producer should have inspired Jim by no means.

:( !!

Hopefully you can work again soon :pray: !!!

Does anyone know why Jim keeps posting the "Clothes I've designed" video on his Facebook? Is he ok? :?

Maybe Jim is related in some way to Howard Hughes.:lol:

Has it been confirmed that is his actual Facebook and not a fake Jim Steinman?

It is Jim, although why he allows nutty twats like Dicky Arse to fill it full of :shit: is beyond me. :shrug:

I agree keeping it a secret doesn't make a lot of sense, but then how secret is it if we're talking about it. And I think the power of the Jim Steinman name and the BOOH brand would fill the theater night after night. I would definitely put it on my "must see" list. And it is sad Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman may never work together again. These two made rock history together, twice, and it would be a shame not to have them collaborate again.

LOL. Good point. :D

I hope "Life Is A Lemon" is on the project. Some really good meaning in the lyrics on that song. Maybe it will be on Jim and Kasim's collaboration.

:twisted: Eh?

Sorry to hear Meat and Jim have no plans to work together again.

They don't need each other, but they've certainly done their best work together.

I can tell you this Kasim will not be in collaboration ,he will only be playing bass. The only 3 people to have any collaboration with Jim is myself, Roy and Todd. Everyone else works for Jim when he works.

M

When the musical really hits the :shit: then Jim will no doubt go running back to Meat as he has done in the past. :shrug:

Even Rinkoff?

:twisted: I can't see the musical happening, because Jim takes too long to put these things together, but I don't think Jim would "run back" to Meat in a position of weakness, but however you want to look at it :shrug:

Has Jim still got David Sonnoffabitchinburg draining his blood?



What was the Dicky Arse reference?
Does Jim have other people posting updates on his personal facebook page?

Dicky Arse is more commonly known as Richard Haase and is a :wacko:. Have a search on the Rockman for Haase or Dicky Arse and you'll see some gems. He's a good friend of Gibson/Jacko/Jackanapes/The_Jackster/whenitcomes2lovingU/Puddingsbestfriend/Whateverhescallinghimselftoday, so that probably tells you all you need to know. :lol: At one point he claimed (through the aforementioned Jacko) to be working on a musical with Jim, then sent a load of abusive emails to various people and now posts rubbish on Jim's Facebook. :nuts:

:twisted: Sounds like a fun guy :wtf:

Roy really is an unsung hero on so much of Jim's work isn't he? His contributions often get overlooked but Mr Bittan is stellar!

Yep, Roy is amazing!! What a talent!

You, me, everyone here, and the rest of the entire ~~~~ing world. Personally I can't see the point of a Bat musical, or why it would take so long given (presumably) all the songs are written already.

It's nothing short of tragic that you may not record together again...

Isn't that code for " Sonenberg won't let me" ?

:twisted: Let me fix that for you :wink:

It would be awesome to hear more songs. Hopefully someday. I always hoped Patti would record some Steinman songs too. I love the song Total Eclipse of the Heart but I never cared much for Bonnie Tyler's voice.

I agree with this. I like all of the Steinman song's that Bonnie has done, but I think that is in spite of her vocals, not because of them. :shrug:

i love Total Eclipse of the Heart and i do love Bonnies voice and the way she sings it ,i think she has a distinctive voice.
Would definately love to hear more songs from Jim

I like her voice too, Battybarb. I think my favourite of hers is "Faster Than The Speed Of Night", however. I also like her rendition of "Tyre Tracks & Broken Hearts"

Both great songs,Tyre Tracks is one of my favourite songs

I think Jim needs to stop being so pretentious and wake up to the fact that his musicals and projects don't get off the ground. He has been trying things for years now and the last thing to do anything was his mismash of old songs in DOTV. Noone was interested in TDE - some average guy singing old meat loaf songs.

If he wants anything to happen then he clearly should sit down, write some new material, get Meat in the process and on vocals and then head to one of the major labels with the right press team.

Otherwise it will just be years more of stories of this happening, demos of that happening, something of this is going to happen - when eventually, the only thing that happens is nothing.

I don't think it's actually Jim to be honest, but some influence over him what stops him workin with Meat.

Working with Meat is probably the best way for Jim to make any money. If the dark forces that control Jim prevent him from doing so then it is less likely that Jim will put out anything new. It's a theory that these dark forces are simply waiting for Jim to pop his clogs so they can cash in. They stand to make more money if they have more unreleased stuff to release. :shrug:

Jim should stop wasting time and do a "Bat out of Hell: Resurrection" with Meat asap. In my opinion the musical stuff could be done by others with Jim perhaps giving advice etc. A bit like We Will Rock You and Queen. I really don't see the point in the original composer spending beyond 5 years on such a project.
If dark forces are preventing anything fruitful from happening they should be destroyed completely.

:twisted: That's the theory I subscribe too.
His estete will be a nice cash cow to some ruthless ~~~~~~~.

Neither do I.
FFS, if it's Bat Out Of Hell the musical, surely all the material is written.
What is the hold up, and why does Jim himself need to be so heavilly involved?


You get the gonad electrocution kit, i'll grab the nipple sized pastry cutters :devil:

Aren't they both at your house? :bleh:

:twisted: I'm not going to use my own am I? :roll:

I agree, I just hope Jim wakes up to the crap he takes from certain individuals. Don't get me wrong, Meat most probably took the same crap too for a long time, but eventually stood up to certain individuals, and went his own way. But not everyone is the same, but one day, I hope to hear some new Jim/Meat material :D

My opinion is that the backers of the musical are afraid that if any of Jim's "new songs" are released prior to the musical, that it might steal a bit too much thunder from the musical.

Sorry but Jim's name won't fill much more than the first few rows. Its been years since he did anything at all. It's going to take a hit song to get things rolling, and this is where I think they've made a huge mistake not have Meat involved. That one will come back to haunt them.

its hard to say really, but sony will be the happy ones if it happens as Bat will storm up the charts

Followed by a best of Jim Steinman compilation or Bad For Good as it's currently known. :lol:

most likely:D

If its meant to be, it will be. There was never a better voice for his music than yours, and never better songs for your voice than his. Keep trying Meat.

:up:

And I had to take the flak for being wrongly believed to have suggested another Steinman / Meat Loaf collaboration... This forum is a strange place sometimes.

:twisted: I would have thought that new Steinman material on shop shelves could only higher his profile.
Not very much, granted, but it couldn't do any harm :shrug:

I think the name Bat Out Of Hell will always be linked to Meat, and he's the first person people will think of on hearing the name.
If people see the show and like the music, it'll be the Meat Loaf section of HMV they head to, not the Jim Steinman version, wether Meat is involved or not.

I'm not saying it's fair, i'm just saying it's so.