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Yea i just saw that, good promo :))

Seeing artists take part in such shows is kind of sad.

Yes :) From something he said, I think he did rather well on the show too :)

Caryl

Well I don't know. I can understand a bit of fun here and there and after all it's for charity so good on them. :up:
I just hate the American Apprentice, it's all over the place and you don't really get a feel for what's going on with how they edit the show I think. It's so awful in comparison to the UK version in fact. On top of that there is simply no comparison to the whit and humour and intelligence of Alan Sugar. For me Donald Trump is impossible to enjoy watching. On a different level completely. :?

Meat Loaf in Alan Sugar's boardroom, now that is something I would like to see.

Doubt we'll see that, I see to remember Lord Sugar saying he wouldn't do Celebrity Apprentice again.

well Meats an actor first, a musician second according to himself

That almost sounds like an excuse. ;) There are better ways to do something for charity, in my opinion.

What does this have to do with my post?

So tell us what you know, or what he said...

Quite the opposite. I have heard a lot of big time celebs try to get on shows like this and are not chosen.

Can you name a few?

LOL you beat me:mrgreen:

All I see are lists of people that once were successful. Why pick them over the 'Big Time' celebs? *Unless Gary Busey, LaToya etc. are still 'big time' celebs in your eyes. Hell even Meat isn't a Big Time celeb. He might be the most succesfull present celeb but the Big Times are from the past. The others don't even come close...:roll:

It's like Celebrity Big Brother and Celebrity... whatever. Desperate names from the past trying to get in the spotlight one more time. Quite sad....

Yeah LaToya.... The only thing I remember her being famous for was doing Playboy and some stripping in Vegas. Obviously she's too old for that now. :shrug:

isnt that what meat's famous for too? :shrug:

Maybe the Meat you watch/fantasise about. :shrug:

Lindsay Lohan was flat out rejected by the show.

theres a difference between a big name celebrity and a big name press prostitute

I never said she was a positive influence, but she does have an impressive IMDB listing under her belt:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0517820/

She is still considered A/B List Hollywood.

She doesnt exist

I wish...

Disappointing news considering the point Meat made right here of saying that he wouldn't do reality TV. Still, its his life. At least its for charity I guess. Can't say it pleases me as a fan though.

i'll look at it as potential good marketing... it gets meat back in the media, back in the public domain, back interested??

he's a recent album out, and a new album in the making (alledgedly)

and if its for charity excellent!!! (though i imagine thats never the primary reason people appear on these shows)

Definitely :))

Excellent :-) I'm really looking forward to seeing it.

Do you seriously think he'll get more recognition as a singer / actor because of his appearance on that show?

I'd rather see people WORK TOGETHER for charity than AGAINST EACH OTHER on a show where this is part of the concept:

from http://meatloaf.net/content/meat-loa...inning-march-6

:down:

Did I suggest he would?

Well, you said "it gets meat back in the media, back in the public domain, back interested". So how can he benefit from it exactly? Will people see and get interested in the artist Meat Loaf, or will he just be a contestant on a reality show and serve for short-time entertainment? Will he recommend himself for further shows of that kind by that appearance?

how can he benefit from it exactly? i'm not familiar with the us show, but if its anything like the uk version its primetime tv, with a large following... thats large exposure on prime time tv, potentially for several weeks on the trot

as for the 2nd part of the question.. dunno, time will tell


it might end up being like pop star to opera star was on uk tv, or it might end up being a brilliant and smart move

time will tell, but whats he got to loose??

I'd give you the answer if I didn't suspect that it will get deleted. ;)

i suspect it wont get deleted if its your honest opinion given in a non offensive manner

His reputation? I don't see why that would have to get deleted. :(

Some people would surely have a problem with my opinion and the fact that Meat is a member here requires constant self-censorship if you don't wanna get in danger of having to fight one stupid war after another.

@ Andrew: You're close. ;)

Not necessarily, but at least it gets him out in the public eye. People who may have been fans years ago and have fallen away might seek him out again. I think it worked out pretty well for Brett Michaels last year. And better a show such as this one, than some of the other reality shows out there.

I have to admit- the show is kind of a guilty pleasure of mine. :oops:


A fair point, but the competition aspect is what makes the show interesting. People do have to work together to a point, or else they risk being eliminated. I did feel bad for Sharon Osbourne last year, because she didn't win any money for her charity, despite her being one of the strongest players (I like Sharon). I think each celeb should get some amount of cash for their charity just for appearing, and then whatever they win is extra.

Mine too :-) Although I watch the UK version with the apprentice job at the end, and didn't see the celebrity one we had (I think it was just the one).

And that's a good point. There may be bitching and moaning behind others' backs, but generally each team works hard to win because each individual wants to avoid being taken back to the boardroom. The competition between the teams mirrors to an extent the reality of the business marketplace .. and any internal competition also tends to be a reflection of what often takes place within in many companies sadly, although that may come back to bite those who indulge in it during their time on the show. Alan Sugar has often given not being a team player as his reason for firing someone.

Caryl

I've never seen a singer go on a reality show and be taken more seriously or afforded more attention as a singer as a result, thats for sure. Quite the opposite usually - reality shows just seem to make serial reality show contestants and pundits. Hope that doesn't happen to Meat. Not while he can still fill arenas under his own steam anyway.

Didn't do it for the recognition, the last thing I want, I like going to the store and just being a shopper. I care so much about THE PAINTED TURTLE and kids they take care of. If you were to walk on the ground of that camp, you can feel it, It's magic. You can make a lot of money on that show ! It's not going to help me and it's not going to hurt. Just more people will bug me at airports and that's bad. I have turned down so many of those shows every year for the last 10 years . I learned a lot doing it . One thing, it is not easy , I kept them all running to keep up.
M

I'll bet .. :lol:

Caryl

Thanks Meat, it's great what you are doing, we know you really care about The Painted Turtle charity, it's great what they do.

Carole

no more of those kind of shows, you have know idea the crap people offer me. I say no all the time . I said no to that show 3 times. This time , don't know why, it felt different.
M

Sounds like you did right by that charity though Meat, and that can never be a bad thing. I work FOR children every day of my life and I wouldn't have it any other way.

I just hope and pray that we see Meat and Trump singing Rock & Roll Mercenaries together at some point XD

That's about as likely to happen as me liking Hang Cool Teddy Bear! :lol:

It will be nothing more than short time entertainment. I know now why I did it,
but I can't talk. It was worth it . Trust me.
M

... I suppose that would be preferable to Paradise ...

I'm not very fond of the name "evil one" , and not likely to ever like it . It's a bad handle ,dude.
Don't really think it brings much credence to your taste. HCTB is not evil so why should you like it!!!
HCTB is just great !! I love it !! love, evil,love evil. I'll take love every time
M

Maybe he should change his name to Lovely One.

I am not familiar with that charity but I am sure it's a worthy cause.
And I guess it's what feels right, if it doesn't feel right at the time then it would be silly to do it.

I'm pretty sure we could guess :lol: !!
And like I said before if it felt right then go with it ;).

Ooh intreaguing, wish we had it over here now as I am now quite curious :cool: !!

Then people might think he's fan of The Jacksons as they had a song of that name :lol: !!! I actually really love that song but that's just me :lol: !!

So you win ... ?

There is one word in the English language that will destroy everything you've ever dreamed of, everything you've ever hoped for and everything that you wish to come true, and that word is EVIL :twisted:
But surely it prepares people for what they are about to read when they get to the content of my post? :lol:
I'll definitely not be going for Lovely One then. Holy One seemed a bit of a hit though! :twisted:

I doubt Meat can disclose that.
It's the same with the Apprentice in the UK. The last series I know for a fact was 98% filmed a year before its broadcast! :shock:
How they can all keep the losers and winners a secret for so long is quite incredible really.

Worth a try though. I'm sure if we were let into a secret we'd all keep quiet ... :lol:

Absolutely, knowing us lot around here. :lol:

"What we call evil, it seems to me, is simply ignorance bumping its head in the dark."
Henry Ford

Well done. :lol:

Thank you .. aspirin?;)

Caryl

No, I haven't read any of your lengthy posts yet. :-P

It's never hurt anyone who has done the show unless you come off like a Jerk. I won't.
I will not make a habit of doing anymore ! I can tell you that . It might help me get a show I want to do for History Channel . It's a documentary on music. It can open doors to different venues. I was a game show host, rocker,on Broadway, film, TV, never been a one trick pony. I like the experience of doing different things. Everyone one of those things have lead to the opening of another door. One Big door Jim, another rocky Horror and the list goes on. You just don't know. You meet different people with different backgrounds, exchange ideas, but most of all you go into something like that to open up yourself to learn new things. That is the point of life, to Learn.
Yes, most people think that a show like that will change their life. Most do come for the exposure . Looking to get a faded light to shine again. it won't do that for them. I don't need that so I didn't do it for that. I didn't come wearing that suit so it changes the game a bit. Do you understand? A singer named Trace Atkins had #1 album and a #1 single from that show. I do not think that will happen for me , I'm not that stupid. I learned things I didn't even know I knew on that show. So that was worth it. I'm on TV big deal !! I did Pop/Opera so I could get a head start on Promo for HCTB in europe. I went do a different country every week that was on the air. I always do things for a reason other than what it appears to be, again , do you understand? Method to the madness .
M
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But isn't it risky that they may try to edit it out of context so you come off looking like a jerk? :shrug:
Just a Red one. :twisted:

That's great Meat that you enjoyed the experience and learned new things. It's always good to experience different things.

Carole

validated points. Imo, the best thing you ever did outside music and crazy in Alabama was the outer limits episode. id like to see you try more TV

That surprises me given your apparent familiarity with my style and phraseology :-P

Your strength, and imo the reason why your light doesn't fade :-)

I'm sure we'll see some humour :lol: .. but I'm equally sure that they won't edit out what contributes to your team's success each episode ;)

Caryl

That's excellent Meat :))

I'm sure it was worth it Meat ... and I'm really looking forward to seeing it :-)

That's an excellent point .. I understand completely :-)

I have only seen parts of it as I can't endure an entire show. Trace Adkins appeared like a rather quiet, likeable chap compared to some of the other participants. Maybe that's why it worked. From what I recall there were lots of annoying fights and often people's egos seemed to be more important than the tasks and the charities. That's why I don't like watching those shows. It's about conflict, competition and failure and some people behave in a way that you'll lose any respect and admiration you might have had for them.

HCTB was never mentioned on Popstar to Operastar and you performed an old song - it was a good, funny performance though. You worked hard, traveled around the world, there were countless interviews but who got to hear the songs? Only a few people, mostly journalists and a handful of lucky fans, some of them didn't even care like that journalist who said her life was too busy to listen to albums. Did you reach the people? Those who would appreciate the album? Europe didn't get a live performance of a HCTB song when the album was released. I remember a single interview (with Ultimate Guitar, as far as I remember) in which you extensively talked about the music - that was interesting and fun to read and caught my attention more than the repetitive references to Patrick and Rob Cavallo's merits. People have to hear the music. It's more the song and / or the way it's performed that attracts people than promo talk. When it comes to promoting HCTB, I missed the singer Meat Loaf. Sorry if this appears a bit sassy but that's how I feel about it.

I do wonder how many of those who've gone on the regular UK Apprentice have ruined a potential business career. :shock:

And by appearing on the programme Meat was based in the UK for all those weeks, presumably at the expense of the TV company. Meat said at the time it was part of a promotion package .. and to me made good business sense.

But she was in the minority surely. Meat's strategy of making those who were going to review the album in the media actually listened to it before doing so resulted in a pattern of generally very good and positive reviews. That's what I observed anyway. It was a different way of doing it, and imo it had a positive effect.

Caryl

Who cares about reviews? Who reads music magazines from cover to cover these days? I don't (anymore). "You can't get the sound from a story in a magazine", Billy Joel used to sing. I didn't become a Meat Loaf fan because someone wrote about how awesome he was - I had to see and hear him.

You don't think that perhaps a groundswell of excellent reviews can help an album get the support it needs in terms of being played? Los Angeloser made the BBC playlist for 3 weeks, and that wasn't surely down to massive sales figures. I'd think that people who get newspapers and magazines would notice reviews, and whilst I'm not sying all will be persuaded and committed to buying an album with a good review, I think the converse may be the case and that reviews which are not positive and enthusiastic could tend to put off the less fervent fans.

However, this is rather off-topic, and Meat has explained why he chose to appear on Celebrity Apprentice.

Caryl

Although some of it off topic I know, I agree with most things Sarge has posted here. I don't think it's sassy at all. I want to hear music and not read about it. :up:

I don`t understand the discussion! Meat ia an adult and he knows what he
does! He is a sensitive man and I trust his feelings! I´m proud of his decision!
And I wish him all my best!!
I´m sad that I can`t see it in Germany!

There were some shows but the Record co. would not bring over the band ,any of them, I know it seems so easy from where you are . It isn't , Went to 7 countries in Europe and a ton of press in all of those countries and mostly all positive . It is really easy to be a monday morning quaterback. On the next record sarge you pay for the band to come over and we will play. You Sit on your couch and write all you want but before you pass judgement know the facts. We wanted to play live. Never said pop/opera did anything for HCTB. only had to work 1 day a week . Would travel to Europe on Monday every week and come back thursday. Read what I said. Not gonna do this anymore. It's a stupid conversation , talking to someone who's ideas of what should have happened and what is the real world for me . Sarge Think want ever you want. I don't care. Your feet are stuck in the sand.Your head is in the clouds. I paid out of my pocket for all the shows we did in the states. Sarge we came and had a great tour I did the best I could given what I had to work with as for as promo . Looks like you think you could do better ... Then go out and do it dude. !! I'm behind you all the way !! The record co never gave me what I needed and believe me I did not just sit there and take it I fought them all the way. It all seems real easy from your computer.

Meat

You reach me and thousands others in Europe! Your tour was so fantastic!!
Don`t discuss so much!! I can`t say it all in english I want in this time but
I know almost there are someone who want to say bad things but nothing are
real!
Good luck for today evening!!!
K.

i still think surf's up would fit the setlist beautifully btw ;)

hint hint

Please read it! See and speak with you in Manchester! You rocked thousands of people! You was great I can`t find words! And the people behind me and there were thousands ,believe me, felt the same!!

It's really difficult to exchange opinions on this forum sometimes... Maybe I should have better remembered my earlier post about self-censorship... :silence:

Meat, I know it's not easy (I worked in marketing for a while) and I didn't "pass judgement". I described how I perceived something, I didn't intend to give advice and I don't want you to feel as if you had to justify what you do. Please don't mistake an opinion for judgement or for being a "monday-morning quaterback" and don't regard posts like that as an attack on you.

As I said in earlier discussions, we often don't know the background, e.g. what you just revealed about the issue of covering the costs. It's great that you provide us with such info from time to time and I'm sure you know that we appreciate that.

I never said the tour wasn't good promo (I referred to the time when the album came out), most of the footage of the current tour I've seen on YouTube would have made me go to a show if there had been any concerts over here. I never claimed that I "could do better" - and I'm not a dude. ;)

But you do care otherwise you wouldn't respond and defend yourself. I don't think Sarge is saying she could do better. She is simply wanting to see what you do best and that is perform the music. From the shows I saw in December, I think you were on the best form I've seen and heard since the nineties! You looked ecstatic, absolutely in the zone, enjoying the music and the shows so much. Stunning deliveries of the songs and a band, my god, I've never heard better and yes I do think you are responsible for that too!

I don't believe Sarge is attacking you at all. She simply wants the world to know and remember you for what you are so good at and that is performing the songs rather than being "another celebrity" and only talking about the music if you see what I mean.

Please don't think so negatively of your fans. If we write about our frustrations here, it's not so much an attack on you it's simply how things come across to us. You are right, we don't know the ins and out but that doesn't mean we should be quiet I think and not have opinions.

Please if you come back to the UK seek out the tv show Jools Holland on the BBC, I think you would like performing on there, all the artists seem to have a great time and it's real music, even if it is just you performing with Jools on piano without the band. I think it would be great.

The audience reception at the UK shows was out of this world.

Absolutely Andrew! That is a show that Meat could really shine on, because it is all about the MUSIC, with no frills. He would do GREAT on that show!

I tried to work something out with that show, but I couldn't get on. Don't think that I did not try every ave. that was available . I did. I would come up with 3 or 4 marketing ideas a day and tell the record co. Shot down every time . Screamed when they wouldn't put out a real single . They said we don't do that!!! I said yes you do , named the artists , they came back with , well we don't for artist like you. meaning old.
It makes me want to pull my hair out. I go out and work hard for them just hoping it will make them want to do more . They don't. They don't want to work anymore. Used to be they would listen and follow through on some of my ideas. , now they have an excuse for why they can't do any of my ideas. They only want to do it their way . The way they do every band . I'm not every band. To them I am nothing but another a can of soup.
I wasn't really attacking sarge, just saying that it is real easy to sit on the sideline and judge and speculate . Believe me almost everything that is written on here about promo I tried and things that you guys never thought of. Nobody cares, they are not selling records. So they want to do as little as possible . At least the UK did TV ads. The US wouldn't . I told them my audience is not where you are putting your money (very little).I thought Management was going to blow a Gasget. If the UK was bad , the US and Australia were worse. New Zealand did pretty good , Germany fair . I did get a gold record in the UK for Hang cool so it keeps my streak alive, every record in the UK has gone gold. If it doesn't have "Hell" in the title they don't want to work it. They tried to get me to call it Bat 4 . If I would have it would have been a negative for a lot of people but in the end would have sold more records . When I refused ,it pissed them off. So now, I've come with a Title with Hell in it. Paul is working on the first song." The Devil in me" duet with Patti. It's a rocker... We got some great songs. One we are going to do like NINE INCH NAILS. I know ,you say "oh no" not that. Good news for some of you though. The songs go with the title and PATRICK is no where around. LOL
To Sarge, I really wasn't angry. Just wanted you to know I wasn't waiting on someone to do something. I was out kicking on their doors. Working really really hard. DUDE :-) I CALL EVERYONE DUDE NOW, I think I'm still in the 80's.

The best to all of you ( even Evil one) I like" Holy one " better . Be "evil one" on the Rockman site and "Holy one" here. Yes that's it!!!

Meat

Damn. Old people are being prosecuted left and right.

Virgin records/ MCA seemed to do everything right back in the 90's.

Didnt they get Hudson theater filmed in 1993 (which hasnt been released) and put out the Live around the world compilation?

You were what, 40 something in 1994, that was still old and they still put out a decent publicized single or five. I miss them lol.

I really think SNL couldve helped since you havent been on SNL since 1978 lol. and that broke BOOH!

Thanks for this Meat :metal: !!!
I think it's really sad that record companys do that, so what if your old, that doesn't take away that your still an artist and have ideas of your own and can still create, to me that sounds very narrow minded of them just to dismiss you like that, not alone rude.

And I look forward to hearing the duet with you and Patti, bet it'll be stunning as always :cool: :up: !!

Thanks for your often words!!

Sounds promising.

Thank ~~~~ for that!

Only at Christmas time. :cool:

I have so many thoughts Iwant to write you but it needs time to find all english words to say them right!
But I can understand you absolutely!

That's a pity, appears like meeting a brick wall all the time. I thought that's why bands sign contracts with record companies - to get support? But then again, I'm a naive idealist sometimes... :twisted:

I wonder why the business is that obsessed with youth. I spent the last night watching Keith Richards videos. :cool:

I want the job of the person(s) who suggested that. I wish I'd get paid for coming up with the same idea again and again. :))

That sounds interesting.

:lawl: I'd like to hug for this.

Did it in 83 as well with Tim Curry, In the old days SNL would count for 50,000 records it just doesn't sell much anymore. I would have done it for sure. You need a hot record to get on and we just didn't get enough radio. Not giving up though. I want to try " Love somebody" on AC over here. Why not , if the record co will do it.
M

I do wonder sometimes. Their reason for existing is to make money, so why would they not fully utilise all the possible revenue streams? It's just bad business. :roll:

That sounds really cool, I like that song :cool:, hope it works out and was that thing with Tim the Meat And Tim's Rocky Horror Shop ?

:lol:, love that still makes me laugh :)) :metal: !!

Never doubted that. I remember you saying how frustrated you were, particularly in the USA, and that you'd delivered an album skewed to a younger demographic, but they only considered the older demographic because they were the people who had bought records before. "It’s like a conveyor belt and they just keep saying, 'Oh, we don’t know how to do that.’ And I’m going, ‘Oh my Lord, help me out!'"

:D :D :D

Leopards wouldn't lose their spots even if we started calling them lions .. :lol:

Caryl

It is .. but many industries don't exemplify good business, and record companies are no exception, far from it imo. They don't seem to have grasped how to manage the changes forced on their industry, nor to be able to design strategies to for different groups of artists. They seem happy to enjoy the money they make from contracts which are skewed to benefit them with the wave of new young artists, rather than exploit all opportunities; quick and high volume small returns from downloads in a crowded market, then on to the next one, because there are a hundred more waiting.

Caryl

dunno. DYELS is a fantastic song, but I dunno seeing as Jessica SImpson did and it may be views as a 60 year old man singing jessica simpson.

Why not hit them hard with california? lol I know its soooo offensive to prudes and the amish, but it'll make huge publicity.

Because there are many prudes in the US who will complain incredibly loudly. Would you really want to see Meat get barbecued at the stake? :shock:

if gets him to add California to the set then yes :))

(lol no)

I thought the Amish don't have radios. :??:

:lol: good point!

But given that to even get the album into some stores in the US the track had to be removed, it would be an odd choice for a single imo if Meat's intention was to try for a hit with a single. Even with a possible aim of getting a younger demographic, surely you'd want to maximise sales and get airtime. In the USA it could alienate swathes of middle-America, and would be less likely to get airplay. The kind of negative publicity it could attract, whilst it may benefit some rappers, could well mitigate against sales of a new Meat Loaf album, which I'd have expected Meat to want to sell to the widest demographic. At this stage in his career I'd have thought he'd want to ADD a younger market whilst maintaining his existing one.

Caryl

No one knows she even did it, it was the last song on some TV show album. You wouldn't know it was the same song. It never went to Radio as a single.
M

Hmmmm. well whatever the record company decides, hopefully some more 2010 live tracks (IE the Boneyard Medley or Took the Words) or a Case De Carne recording of Bad For Good as a b-side.

I wonder how many people on the forum you have insulted with that one.... :lol:

Because youth=sex and sex sells. However when Cheryl Cole gets nominated for a Brit for best single you know that all hope is lost for the record industry. Sure they can make songs sound slick and catchy these days but stand in front of experienced artists performing such as Meat or Springsteen.... there is a BIG difference in my opinion! Not seen a young artist perform anywhere near those two. Most young artists I've seen on stage or on TV seem to miss the heart, the passion, the life experience to make the words sound convincing. On top of this almost everyone who auditions for daft shows like Idol or X Factor seem to want the celebrity status before they actually want to do the work. It's :nuts:, the world doesn't owe these guys anything.

Ah me too!

:cool: :up: Thank you!

NIN...That is definitely cool! The Fragile is one of the best concept albums of all times, but it takes a while to enter in this Reznorish world. It failed commercially. .. Cant wait to hear that next Meat album!!