barry manilow read em & weep do me a f.....g favour
 

hi i have just got hold of a rare piece of jim steinman interview & on it it plays a video of barry manilow singing read em & weep barry where is the pasion the meaning barry you killed it it just comes to show that none of these so called stars can do a meat song . or am i expecting to much , please just leave it to meat loaf

I was given the song on 7" vinyl. Listened to it once. That was 8 years ago.

Actually, I think that version is not all that bad... okay, it's different, but since is different equal to bad?
Musically, this version has all kind of subtle touches: where Barry sings "with just a touch of a sarcastic 'thanks'", the backing vocals do also a very sarcastic 'thanks' in the background. Matter of fact: I like this version musically even better than Meat's, although I must say that I think that Meat's vocals suit the song better.

Am I the only one who thinks the Meat version gets a bit too rocky in the chorus?

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thats the the whole idea i think that part is great agree or not agree leave your say

Mine was doomed to the catacoombs many eons ago.

But one I do like is Barbra Streisand Left in the Dark I've got this on 45rpm

Actually, the version I heard first was Barry's version and it blew me away to later hear Meat's version. To be honest I like both and I'm partial to Barry Manilow. Ok, yes I love Barry Manilow! I openly admit that. Could have killed my ex for giving away all my Barry Manilow albums (and many others along with my stereo) behind my back . . . but that's another story.

Lady B

i don't mind the Manilow version, it isn't a disgrace to the song, although I love Meat's a lot more. I am not a big fan of Barry Manilow, but I have a great deal of respect for him, and i agree the song is 'different' without being awful.

I've never heard Barry Manilow sing Read em and Weep, or Barbra Streisand sing Left in the Dark, or Bonnie Tyler 2 out of 3.

And I can honestly say I don't want to. These are Meat Loaf songs and should stay that way. No other artist could possibly do them justice.

I spotted something...
 

Ever heard track number 9 from an album called Bad for Good, which was released in 1981 and sung by a guy named Jim Steinman? :-)

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lol, fair point. They are really mostly Jim songs, althouh in our hearts they are Meat's. As long as the cheeky girls dont cover CHSIB...

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Yes, and I say Meat's version is vastly superior. Jim is a brilliant songwriter but I'm afraid he just doesn't have the right voice to do justice to his own songs.

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God help us. That would be even worse than Barry Manilow :roll:

I have knwon for many years that Manilow sings this song but i REFUSE to buy it, cause i know it is bad. Okay, Jim produced it, but hy, he makes mistakes too ( Take That, for example).

Streisand with Left in the dark is great though. Nice backing vocals.

[tongue-in-cheek]Good thing that you can actually argue about taste... isn't it? [/tongue-in-cheek]

And I would consider the Take That song a rather listenable track, okay, he's done better, but it was far from his worse (which would include hiring Michael C. for DotV)...

Take That???? - when did Jim work with those muppets?

Are you sure you don't mean Boyzone?

Yes, I think Bart + evil nickname must be referring to Boyzone's version of No Matter What.

I don't think Jim worked with them though. They just covered his song.

And it goes without saying that Meat's version is in a different league.

In 1995 Jim Steinman remixed/co-produced the track Never Forget for the single. He added some intro and a boy's choir I believe (I haven't heard the original)

On this page, there's slightly more info available.

Boyzone: No Matter What
Produced by Jim Steinman, Andrew Lloyd Webber and Nigel Wright

if that's not working with them, I don't know what is... and for being in a different league, I'm not so impressed by Meat's version myself...

and on another edit: I recall Meat saying that he didn't know that Boyzone also did a version of NMW, until it was number one in the UK, thus indicating they were first, and besides that all, even Meat's version is a cover (from the musical Whistle down the Wind)

I didn't realise that Jim co-produced the Boyzone version of No Matter What.

I heard that the song was promised to Meat but something happened and it was given to Boyzone instead and Meat only found out about this when it went to No 1. Don't know if there's any truth in that though.

Meat said so on a TV show he did for TMF (The music factory, something like MTV) I have it on tape....So I guess it must be true...

Asha

I have to 'confess' I really like Take That and Boyzone (Not even ashamed of it too! :lol: ). Now don't ask me about Robbie Williams, you probibly don't want to hear it!!! :lol:

For me the Boyzone and Meats version of NMW are 2 Completly different songs! I like both, ofcourse heard it was the same song. But the emotion in both songs is SO different for me. Yes, like Meats version a lot more, doesn't mean I don't like the BZ version, 'feel' different to me. Strange isn't it, same lyrics. Think it says a lot about this voice!

Great day to you,

Mariella

Well musical taste is just that, personal taste. Don't care much for BM or BS (hmm, that sounds strange). Just don't ask me about the Russell Watson version of INS :roll: , that was a case of torturing and murdering a song. I actually listened to the whole thing, Jules couldn't bear more than a few seconds :lol:
Now I hear RW is releasing a version of BOOH...when will the MADNESS STOP! :??:

J/k, to each their own, but the above is my honest opinion.

T

Steinman has produced one song for Take That. I forgot which song. Was it Back for Good? Who cares anyway.

I think maybe you're getting mixed up with Bad for Good :D

Evil nickname said earlier it was a song called Never Forget. Don't think I've ever heard it - or if I have I've forgotten :mrgreen:

:twisted: Russel Watson recording Bat?
What a great idea :D .
Why don't we send Rolf Harris round to touch up the Mona Lisa while we're at it.
Or how about having Bob the builder pop round to rebuild the Taj Mahal.

Russel.
Listen very carefully.I don't want to have to say this again.
Meat=Rock God :twisted:
Russel Watson=Pillock :evil:

DON'T F**K WITH ANOTHER MAN'S RELIGION. :evil:

I guess you won't be joining the Russell Watson fan club then Mouse :twisted:

:twisted: Not bloody likely :lol: .
Now where did I leave that book with all those fun curses in it :roll: .

Steinman also produced another song from one of those batman movies. I got that single, but i don't remember now the title and the artists :?

Bart, could you be reffering to "Original Sin (Theme from The Shadow)" by Taylor Dayne? That's from the movie "The Shadow" (like, duh!), which is, AFAIK, a complete Batman rip-off...

no, not that song, but is it great version of Original sin?

I meant an other song. a ballad. o god, what is the name of it?

He also produced "I Want To Spend My Lifetime Loving You" by Mark Anthony and Tina Arena. That's from "The Mask of Zorro" and a ballad... AFAIK, he hasn't done any song for a Batman movie, although he seems to be working on Batman - The Musical.

And for Taylor Dayne's version of Original Sin, well, for the love of God I can't remember how it sounds, haven't heard it in a while... but it was nothing spectacular, otherwise I would have remembered :-)

yeah, i meant that song: i want to spent a lifetime loving you.

I bought it at the time, cause Jim was involved, but the song is nothing special.

I too can't stand it and almost hate it as much as Tylers danced up version of 2 out of 3...

there's many stories about 'No Matter What'. The best (and most likely to be true) is that they (meat and boyzone) were to release the song at the same time (solo releases, not a duet) and all the promotion was ready to take off when Meats Wife became ill and he went to look after her. After a hard decision, it was released only by Boyzone and made number one. It's a hidden gem that I would love to see released one day by meat as it is far too good to be a B-Side for 'Is Nothing Sacred'...

But, we all know, andy Meat B-Side is better than a Boyzone A side ;)

Too Right!!!

But 2 outta 3 from Bonnie is just a joke. An eyewink to meat's version. I think it is meant to be ironic. The backing vocals are great bye the way and my daughter likes it.

Gave the catacoombs a clear out yesterday found this Barry Manilow and played it - ended up "barking at the lawn"

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I have to say I like both versions.My only problem about meat's version is he left out a great almost dare i say erotic lyric written by steinman.The lyric where about "tracing your body in the air",I loved it-It was so deep.My cousin even was struck by it and he is the FURTHERIST(not yelling) thing from BM you can get. He is more Lynryd Skynryd,Country,Heavy Metal etc.

Meat was so painful to watch in the video.He really did a great job expressing the emotions of the character.

of all people barry do a meat song it was written for meat & thats wear it should stay

Ok..so I know its not cool to admit to liking her, :oops: but I think Celine Dion singing Jim's 'It's all coming back to me now' is fantastic!!! Whoever sings Jim's songs needs a powerful voice otherwise they don't work...and like her or not, Celine certainly has that.

JJ, I love that song!
IMO, when it comes to enjoying music, ANY 'combination' of artists/styles, is possible.
The most important thing is it feels 'right' to you.

Great day to you,

Mariella

Actually I prefer Elaine Causwel's original version of "It's All Coming Back To Me Now." I find it to be much superior to Celine's. As far as "Read Em' And Weep" goes, the producers and Barry Mannilow wanted Jim to write a new song for him, instead Jimmy gave him "Read Em' And Weep." Comparing the two versions, Meat Loaf owns this song and his is far more sexually explicit if you listen closely to the lyrics. The great thing, or atleast one of the many great things about Jimmy's unbelievable talent is that he's able to put sexual lines in love songs and most of the time the line goes over the audiences head, most notably in "For Crying Out Loud", "can't you see my faded levi's bursting apart!"

It's All Coming Back to Me is a brilliant song. However as it's reportedly Cathy singing to Heathcliffe it needs a female to sing it. Pity, as Meat would be great at it.

Haven't heard Elaine Causwell's version of Its all coming back to me now(in fact I've never heard of Elaine Causwell)....does that make me a dork?
Will have to check it out now!! Thanks!

Jim refused to give Meat that song as it was meant for a girl.....but I think he would have sung it brilliantly too.

JJ, it's on Pandora's Box Original Sin CD. Definitely superior to Celine Dion's version.

Indeed, The pandora's box version is very cool.

But Bary Manilow singing 2 out of three??? My god.. how they can destroy music.... pfff....
No techno this time... then it is a person like that who destroy it.

Mierenporno again Tim :-)

It's Barry who did Read 'Em & Weep, and Bonnie Tyler who did a dance version of 2 outta 3... And while I can stand Barry's Read 'Em & Weep, I can't stand Bonnie's take on 2/3, even though Jim produced it himself...

Thanks Sapphire!! Regarding Elaine Caswell - it suddenly dawned on me who you meant afterwards! DUH! :oops: I'm not too good with names!! :lol:

Yeah, I like Pandora's box version but still prefer Celine on this one I'm afraid....she has more expression and power as far as Im concerned...works for me...although the guitarriff is great!

Just listening to Dance in my pants at the moment...oohh...go Jim go!!

To quote Mr. Burns: "Almost sexual isn't it, Smithers?"

I always thought it was Wendy singing tot Peter Pan? :roll: :mrgreen:

Interesting theory Bart.

I've just reread the lyrics and I'm still convinced it's Cathy singing to Heathcliffe - and a dead Heathcliffe at that.

Yeah you're right it was Cathy singing to Heathcliff, when Jimmy wrote this song he said he was "under the influence of Wuthering Heights". The song focuses on the power of love as a dark and gothic substance and how just one touch could bring all thoughts of love. Jimmy reverses the roles between Cathy and Heathcliff I believe and has said the songs like dancing with a dead body in the cold moonlight. As for Neverland, yeah I think Jimmy also included in some Neverland script of Wendy singing it to Peter, but there's been so many of those. Hopefully one fortunate day, a miracle will strike down from the Gods above and Neverland will actually grace a broadway stage. Also, this is not included in the new Wuthering Heights MTV movie, probably for the same reason as "Total Eclipse Of The Heart" being in "Dance Of The Vampires" as people laughed when they heard it cause it's a popular song.

Yes, you're right, i was wrong. i was confused. I get older and i forget a lot lately :roll:

[quote from Evan] regarding the sneaky use of sexual lines "can't you see my faded levi's bursting apart!" I LOVE THAT LINE!!!!....add to that 'Surf's up and so am I' ooohhhh naughty Jimmmm!!!!!

Eyeore quoted Mr. Burns: "Almost sexual isn't it, Smithers?" LOL :D ...great quote!!!
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sorry about that messy last posting...don't know how to include highlighted quotes from other people...boohoo!! :cry:

JJ: a lesson in 2 easy steps:

1. in the far right upper-corner of this post there is a button called "quote". It looks like this: http://www.mlukfc.com/forums/templat...icon_quote.gif Find it.
2. Found it? Now poke it!

:)

Oh Yeah thanks sooo much Evil !!! DUH!! Like I didn't try that!!!!!!!! :evil: Of course I poked it!!!!!!!!!!! Poked it, prodded it, swore at it, threw things at it.....I have tried alsorts of various ways (thanks to other more polite suggestions I've had, But nothing works!!!!!!!!! so until I can get it worked out you'll have to put up with it!!!
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You may be able to tell that I am pretty P***ed off with the bla**ed thing by now!!!!!!!! :twisted:

Where it really went wrong is here:
(i repleaced the [s with {s for obvious reasons)

if you make that {quote="Evan"}, it should work