Another new album?
 

No one seems to have spotted this.

Well you did. ;-)

Cool, hope these are more like PFL rather than HCTB

Maybe good news shouldn't be provided in the middle of an argument. ;) I agree with Andrew, hopefully the stuff will be as equally cool as PFL.

Yes. I have two trains of thought on this.

1) These songs are good and Meat really wanted to do them, but they didn't fit in with the Patrick nonsense so they got left off. I'm thinking Prize Fight Lover / Boneyard.

2) The songs weren't good enough to make it onto HCTB in the first place and should be left alone. :roll:

Let's hope it's option 1.

and Meat said the fat lady was gonna sing. Maybe one of these 15 new tracks is that song that they were rehearsing in one of the tweets.

Hurray! Maybe thats where the fables 'the hit' song featured in one of the videos will end up :pray:

The one James Michael and Rick Brantley were doing? It sounded interesting, I would like to hear that on an album.

First thing that leapt out at me this morning, and was amazed that in all the defence etc no-one had referred to this great news, but my post (being off-Lopez-topic I guess) was removed from the thread.

It's given me cause for huge celebration .. I love HCTB, love every song including Los Angeloser, love the concept, the storyline which Meat painted so clearly it leaps put at one from the disc, and Patrick's journey in the album. I was thrilled to read Meat's intention to record next year more of the songs that weren't included.

I won't speculate as to what the songs will be, nor advise him on how to promote it ;) I know I will love it because Meat's new sound is to me his best to date. He says he wouldn't change a thing on it, and nor would I have him do so.

Meat also asked what does being 62 have to do with anything .. in his case it seems to me simply that his inner drive to create something unique and marvellous still burns fiercely. I heard HCTB at the Playback and was blown away, have it to enjoy every day wherever I am, see it in his passionate performances this tour, and now I can hope to hear more of it on another album. Bloody marvellous news!

Don't need to wonder whether it will be this or that. It will be Meat, on fantastic form. And at a time when I was sadly contemplating that HCTB might be his last new album, that's wonderful news for any follower of Meat Loaf .. and I'm a Meat Loaf follower ..

Caryl

This must be a record! 4 posts into a thread about a possible new album next year and the thread is dragged off topic. Please try and control the inner child!

i'd much prefer option 1 rather than dregs

If he wants to release it as part of a rarieties collection i'd be all for that

I am positively looking forward to this!!

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... Can we please stop talking about Patrick? It's about a potential new album and I hope that guy won't be involved. :twisted:

the new album might be a concept album based on the realisation that he Patrick, was still on the battlefield, none of the previous flashforwards were real, and its based on his actual journey from being wounded on the battlefield, through rescue and recovery etc

or it might be completely unrelated

eitherway its exciting news :D

Maybe the new album will be about his long lost brother Robert or his sister Patricia?

well spotted!! but i would say no.1 is nearer the truth?

Not when I'm talking about HCTB because he's the main character and for me an integral part of the album as designed by Meat.

I don't anticipate Patrick's likely to feature in the next album .. Meat is endlessly creative and will I'm sure come up with something new. But I'd be happy for the underpinning strength of a storyline, which to me just served to enhance the pleasure of the HCTB.

Caryl.

I just now had the exact same train of thought. Are we related? :lol:

Given my feelings about HCTB, I really hope it's option 1.

Also hoping it's the first scenario...someone might be able to correct me on this (and I'm sure they will!) but am I right in remembering that when Meat first started filming the Twitter updates when they first went into the studio, he posted an update and he was laughing because they had about 30 songs to work with and at that moment they'd only recorded about 5 because they weren't good enough? I might be remembering that completely wrong - and I can't be arsed going back through all the Twitters! - but if that is the case I sincerely hope it's the tracks that didn't fit the HCTB story.

Yes grandad, has your memory gone again?

My main gripe with HCTB was the songs. So if these are better songs with the same production then it's something to look forward to. :twisted:

Yup I agree. :up:

Yeah, I thought I left it on the shelf with my teeth last night but it's nowhere to be seen.

Indeed. Better songs + more piano = happy Dave.

The new piano player seems to be very good. I would like to know what it would sound like if they made use of his skills on a record. Although I'm a guitar maniac, I also love piano-dominated songs.

The new piano guy was the first thing I noticed when I heard some of the new tour. I really like his style and it'd be great to hear plenty of him in this possible new album.

Yeah I noticed it too, and I commented as well. I'm really excited about having a new album next year. I'm sure whatever the songs are, they will be fantastic, simply because Meat is singing them. I too was worried HCTB might be his last album, although I hoped not. I agree it's wonderful news for any follower of Meat Loaf, and I too am a Meat Loaf follower. And hopefully a new album, will mean a tour will follow.

Carole

Sorry, can't agree with that bit. Even Meat has limited capabilities.

Patrick, Patrick, Patrick, Patrick, Patrick, Patrick, Patrick, Patrick :lol:

You forgot.... PATRICK!!!!!

You sadists! :bicker:

You and me both Mel :)) It's going to amazing !!

Oh, I didn't miss it. I'm just sitting back and waiting for year 8 (how long it will be I've been visiting this site next year) of:



"Will there be Steinman songs on the cd as well ? What are you naming the album? You should call it... You should record ... You're having WHO produce it ?... He SUCKS !!... Will there be a duet with Patti? ... Why do you reFUSE to do a duet with CC ?" ...

And on and on and on and... OH ... and ... "Will you be touring to promote it ? ... WILL YOU BE COMING TO (fill in the blank) on that tour?.. I live there and you haven't come there in 55 years !! "

"And is that a dead bat I see up there in the corner ? NO, the OTHER corner. "

and so on on ononononononoooonononononon o noooooooooooooooooooo....

lol ... Let the games begin ... ;) ...

And feck me. My fanship should be revoked. I didn't realize who the BOOH Patrick was... rolling ... I thought it was Rob C's nickname or something. :kickass: ... lol ...

Is saying "Patrick" three times a hat trick ? ... :twisted: ...

When I see him on the LAL video, he looks more like a "Jonathan" than a "Patrick" to me.

:shock: you're gonna have to explain that one to me please

Oh, you know. You see someone, learn their name and perhaps think, "He doesn't look like a "fill in the blank". He looks more like a "fill in the other blank". ie ... My given name is Susan, but I've been called either Pat or Carol by people that deal with me on a semi-regular basis, so I figure I must look like either a "Pat" or a "Carol" rather than a "Susan" ...

Topic, topic, topic. Good luck on the new album, Chiefie ... ;) ...

That explains things! :lmao:

:lmao:

Shame on me? I actually get that ... ;) ... And NO ! NOT THAT ONE !!! ... :shock: ... lol ...

Personally, I won't be interested in anything new until I stop listening daily to tracks from HCTB. I'm happier to celebrate the now rather than wonder about new songs already.

Seriously people! Greedy? Much?

We have a lurker! :wave:

:twisted: What the next album will be about is right there in the story for those who can follow it.
It's pretty self explanitory :shrug:

I fail to see why people in this thread can be branded as greedy as it was Meat himself pointing out they will be recording 15 further songs next year. I think without that particular announcement many of us wouldn't even be expecting another full studio album within the next few years. If Meat is happy to do another project then I'm interested. If he didn't want to do it I wouldn't be bothered posting about it as it would probably completely suck if his heart isn't in it.

Is it? Well you could have fooled me mister.

:twisted: You followed the story, right?

I heard some stuff about Patrick dying in a battlefield and that he experiences flash forwards and how each song is a separate story line of how his live could end up but that's about it. As my deluxe edition didn't come with the book I never read it.

:twisted: I've not read the book either as I went for the SD.
I was just refaring to the story told in the songs.
I thought it was pretty obvious what happens next (i.e. in the next album).

Can we have 15 songs about how Patrick is brutally murdered and mutilated on the battlefield, buried, and never heard from again? :twisted:

Let's have one song about that and then 14 Prize Fight Lover type songs or at least of that quality.

Yes. 15 songs by T. Driggers and James Michael sounds good to me.

Me too :-)

Me thirds!

Fifteen more "Prize Fight Love" or "Boneyard" quality songs would be epic. Maybe even that Dianne Warren song he never used is included in there - the one she claimed was the best she'd ever written. And then I'm sure there are hundreds of songwriters out there that would die to write something for Meat.

Mind your language! :yikes:

Awesome news - always welcome to hear there will be more Meat coming my way :)

Everytime I hear Patrick being mentioned I can't help thinking of the Spongebob Square Pants best friend .

Who's to say that the leftover songs aren't the better ones :shrug:

Indeed, considering PFL was left off and I almost think someone would have to be out of their mind not to use that song on an album. It's one of the best things in years imo.

Someone should have been out of a job for not only leaving it off the album, but giving it away for free. :wacko:

Well he did say that HCTB was going to be the last studio album he's going to do, but maybe that was just a heat of the moment reaction without any thought. I think Meat will keep releasing albums because he loves it, but I actually thought he wouldn't and he'd focus more on acting. It will depend on his contract with the record company.

Usually I would be the same, but Meat brought it up and it's got me excited. He did indicate recently when he was upset at the lack of promotion for HCTB that it may be his last, so this is good news. But I am still listening to HCTB daily too, in fact I'm listening to it right now.

Carole

I have the double disc HCTB. I keep it right on my table standing up. It's the only album there. When I get a stereo, I'll be playing it again and again. I think its great Meat wants to keep recording music. I will remain listening to what I have out of my ML collection. Which is all but one cd. 2 if you cound the very best of. I am all for Meat making studio music. I am one of those fans who would like to hear something with Steinman some day but I'm not waiting around for it. I will take what I have and support Meat. At the end of the day he is a very admirable man doing what he's doing. His music his big, his presence is big. The song 'Alive' from '06 describes the Meat I see him as. I look up to the guy more than I could possibly convey.

wellllllllllllll, i'm gonna say NO to that...

i'm gonna say yes to 15 great songs..

as has been said before by others... it doesnt matter who writes the songs, it only matters if its great songs

I hope they sound nothing like Boneyard because that's a shitty song IMO. I do hope that they sound more like Song of Madness, Peace On Earth and Lets Be In Love.

Thank you for the idea!!!

Boneyard does nothing for me either and the genral consensus seems to be if you don't like it don't listen to it. Prize Fight Lover is a great title for a song but over sounds like too many Meat and Springsteen songs combined into one, which is not always a good thing imo.

Personally i would've preferred Meat leave it with HCTB because he's done all he can do with a fantastic producer, great cast of musicians and strong songs.

but if he wants to do it, I only hope he's going to record these songs because he thinks they are good enough and not just because they are there,

“Leftovers in their less visible form are called memories. Stored in the refrigerator of the mind and the cupboard of the heart.” - Thomas Fuller

Unless Meat becomes an independent record company, I'm not sure who'd back paying for another CD being made based on HCTB sales :shrug:

:shock: WTF?...too much information :faint:

I think Boneyard is one of the better songs...BWTFWIK :weirdo:

You're welcome :))

BWTFWIK? What does that mean?

HTFSIK?

What?

"but What the F*** would I know?"

"Helping Three Frisky Santas in Kentucky?"

you can have 20 fantastic songs on an album? but if promo is not done the right way? well its not gonna sell. Meat is doing the right thing by keep going and making music [ yeeeee haaaaa ] , if he feels he still has more to offer? why not!! i really liked HCTB. it was fresh and something different.
deep down we would all love a final Jim and Meat album, but as stated above, who cares who writes the songs, so long as they are good.
600,000 copies sold of HCTB x 15 euro/pounds/dollars on average, the record company made money, dont worry about that.

So you have 600,000 (apparently) x 15 euro's(ish) =9,000,000 - that's a good figure. But what about minus the bands fee, the studio fee, Rob Cavallo's fee, the lawyers fees, guest artists fees, songwriters fees, publishing fees, pressing of the CD fee, shipping fees, marketting fee (that should be a low figure) and any other bills you could possibly think of, what figure do you end up with then?

It's usually only 10-15% of sales figures that will go to the artist, but that figure still gets split amongst the musicians, producer, engineers (I believe Ted Jenssen alone to do the mastering costs around $5000 from what I've heard), song writers etc. Considering you can now buy HCTB (physical album) for around £6 in the UK, or €9/10 in Europe that isn't very much at all. I think 600.000 is still great but considering the cost of HCTB which would have been quite high, I doubt they even made money out of it, at least not much. Perhaps even a loss.
I think there are several reasons for the lack of sales; the download age we live in mostly, the songs themselves (which I still don't think are as strong as on previous Meat Loaf albums but that is my opinion), limited marketing strategies/limited TV performances/lack of proper single releases and promotion of these and I also think the bad press surrounding Meat and his performances over the last 3 years haven't helped. Though on the other hand that has of course kept Meat's name in the media.

The reviews of the album have been VERY good so I'm not even sure my assumption about the songs themselves is actually correct. It's just that out of the many recent Meat albums I have, I would probably not recommend this one and also I usually buy two copies and give one to my mother but I didn't do that with this one as I know she won't like it as it's far too aggressive, offensive and loud for her (Like a Rose/Dick Pants song/Love is not Real). I'm not saying this one sale will make any damn difference (certainly not considering the cost of the deluxe version I bought) but I can imagine that similar events have happened and thus the targeted audience this time around is a bit different and maybe a bit smaller.

And still, seeing the album in all the shops on the main shelves when it was released still shows there is quite a bit of force behind the Meat Loaf brand in my opinion. No less than artists who have been around for the same amount of the same time in my opinion. I am not sure what justifies huge expectations anyway as the best selling artists these days all seem to be younger than 25, team up with several rap artists to make one song, use Auto tune to change their voice completely and don't do live performances, have a dance entourage on stage or are winners of a recent pop show contest. In the light of all this I really don't think Meat is doing too badly at all. Perhaps making an album in a slightly simpler way would be more profitable (so maybe no more guest musicians and just use the touring band).

I'm just throwing ideas in the mix and am not telling what Meat should do! I'm still surprised he wants to do another album, but am very happy to see that too.

I'm hoping lessons can be learnt from HCTB for HCTB2 and promotion and marketting are more fluent.

I'm also hoping that there isn't some daft-arsed story trying to link all the songs together. Although we could have the story of a boxer being hit to canvas and on each count by the referee it's a flash forward to a time when he's a champion and getting himself some poontang. Now you're all thinking Prize Fight Lover aren't you :devil:

A lot of artists have founded their own labels and if you think that your record company hasn't done that much with regard to marketing, it maybe wouldn't be such a bad idea to organize production, promo and distribution yourself. :??: The reason for having a contract with a big record label usually is the fact that they have more means available to extensively promote an album. If that doesn't happen to the extent that you expect, you can as well try to do it on your own. Might be more work for you, will probably cost you some time and money and could be risky but at least you'd have more control over how things are being done.

Good question.

My mom probably wouldn't like it either but some of my younger friends and relatives like most of the stuff on HCTB. I usually hear comments like "That's Meat Loaf? Wow! Sounds cool. Wouldn't have expected that he's in such good shape again."

You can be successful without belonging to that category. I think it depends on how an artist appeals to the public, if the music has anything special about it and how good the marketing is. In 1993, everybody I knew seemed to own a copy of Bat II although it wasn't the kind of music that was popular then. There are still bands who manage to remain on top of the charts for several months because they have been working hard, are different from others and due to good promo. I believe it's much harder to get people interested in good music these days though.

Meat's misconception of what a concept album is is one of the very few things that bother me about HCTB.

Just corrected you there ;-)

You better watch out. ;) :bleh:

No it wouldn't. Nor would I be surprised if Meat decided he wanted to own the next album hmself.

Caryl

Hmmm it's a tough one. Many older artists we work with do the albums themselves and then bring us on board to distribute the item. Unless the artist has the funds to put into the promotion as well it doesn't really work well an artist self releasing.

Of course, the plus side is that they don't have to sell as many units to break even etc.

I would and I'd place a wager on it.

oh DOT DOT DOT my DOT DOT DOT gawd DOT DOT DOT ... I've only read this far and know what words those two sets of letters represent ! ... It's time for a lie down ... :faint: Oh, DOT DOT DOT

In reviewing thoughts on cost of creating the entirety of HCTB, I'm wondering if some cost cutting would have come in for the fact the studio was in Rob C's home. What do folks think ?

I think that just means that Mr Cavallo can get paid twice.

Oh, perhaps you're right. I guess the recording business could be like in The Godfather... "nothing personal, just business" ... ;) ... lol ...

Hey Sarge,

How do you like the new avatar? :twisted:

I don't watch Sponge Bob, sorry. You gotta find something else to tease me. :devil:

I'm always excited to hear new music from Meat. (Personally, I hope that it's recorded just with the NLE and this time there are more duets with Patti instead of bringing in someone like Kara to sing.)

Agree. When you have Ferraris in the garage why bother bringing in Ford Fiestas? :roll:

I'd like to here another duet with Pearl like Man Of Steel.

I love Pearl but Man of steel was a bad bad song. Do you know anything about lyrics the second verse of that song is the worst thing I have ever sung. HCTB is a great great record and some of you need to get out of your little tiny box that you live in. Peace on earth got a standing ovation last night. HCTB is a screen play. The songs work so well . Really if I hear another person saying anything bad about HCTB , I will find you and paint your house bright green with yellow stripes. With the word Bum on the front in RED. Enroll in a poetry
class please and learn about the art of the written word. Acting class and learn the art of truth. Go out on the street and just look around , take off the blinders. Live people Live. Get out of your Hole, it's dark in there. Think of HCTB as a new Alice in Hollywood. Listen to the record, really listen. The only reason not to, is because it scares you. JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT WAS SAFE TO PLAY THE CD. WHO KNOWS WHAT LURKS IN THE DARK !! SCARED !! The only reason you like PFL is because it wasn't on the CD. It said the same thing as "living on the Outside" and that told you who Patrick was as a human being !! Yes Patrick !
M

We didn't bring Kara in . Learn the facts ! She wrote the lyrics , did the demo and it just happened.
M

No, I like Prize Fight Lover because it's awesome. I think the lyrics and music are both superior to Living On The Outside. And yes, Man Of Steel wasn't the best.

I'd like it even more if it was on the CD because I would have the chance to listen to it in decent quality.

By the way, is it now even wrong to say that you like a song? Instead of being happy about that people think it's a cool song you imply that they only praise it in order to provoke you. :??: I don't get that.

Hey Meat. You can tell that PFL and Living on the Outside had a similar storyline. When are you coming to Perth Australia?

The quality improves if you burn it straight to a CD-R after downloading from the website and re-ripping it onto your Itunes or such....

As for Living on the outside compared to PFL, most people wouldve assotiated it as a "Springsteen rip off" and doesnt fit the new sound album Meat wanted.

Song is less superior to LOTO IMO.

Living on the Outside feels like a modern-era Modern Girl. HCTB itself feels like a Modern-era Bad Attitude. That is whats so great about it.

PFL feels like a Springsteen wanna-bee. Its not bad, though. Being as i can only hold 8 GBs on my Ipod I replaced DYELS and LBIL with PFL and Boneyard respectively. That may ruin the whole concept thing but when its on an Ipod, its on shuffle 99% of the time...

The album's great and I love it. It has its high points (Elvis, California, LA, and IICHY) and, IMHO, its low points (DYELS, LBIL, and SOM) but its an experience.

Now about the new album...

I doubt that it makes a big difference. There is not much you can do about a file that has been compressed that way.

That's one of the reasons why I like it.

Lol Meat i'm considoring saying something just to get you to my house! Not sure about the bright green with yellow stripes though......

Narr I can't say anything bad about HCTB, it's awesome and I can't wait to see it live in November here in the UK.

It was just a figure of speech, a harsh joke on my part and I do not mean to offend anyone. I didn't say anything about the song, just that I think Patti is a better singer than Kara and I'm gad Patti is touring with you. I understand you are trying to be as diverse as you can be with different singers, song writers and musicians and I do appreciate that. The new NLE just sounds great and would love to hear what they could do on an album. Justin seems like a new Roy Bittan, I am very impressed.

I disagree. I think PFL stands head and shoulders above just being branded as a Springsteen rip off. I think it's one of Meat's best songs and love his vocal on it. I don't like the song just because it's not on the album. I love parts of Peace on Earth (the vast majority of the song is perfect imo), Love Song of Madness, and the last few songs on HCTB I love too. Peace on Earth sounds fantastic live going by what I've heard, much more intense than on the record and can't wait to witness it live.

As for the new album I can't wait and I am not telling Meat what he should do and how he should do it.

Any new music by Meat is welcome by me. It's usually too long between albums anyway, so if we get one sooner rather than later that's good!

thing is this means a tour right after the other... not too good health wise