Pearl
 

Forgive me for posting this but I've just watched this three times and for the life of me can't understand why this lass hasn't made it into the big time.

Recorded on a dodgy cam opening for Meat at Nottingham, dodgy cam it may be but this girl gave her all and truely rocked!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcCsi...eature=related

Probably because she sings crap songs :shrug: She's great looking, sings well but the songs have zero effect on me. Or maybe she just doesn't want to be in the big time.

I disagree. I got Pearls album and it kicks some serious ass. Lovepyre rocks.

Guess at some point you'll have to take the Jimmy blinkers off lol, let me know when you do.

That's OK ;)

:-)

Pearl's album is bloody brilliant in my opinion! I really hope she manages to get the funds to be able to tour the UK, because I plan on being in the front row seats. She writes some great lyrics. I was hooked on her album from the very first listen.

Pearl
 

I PERSONALY THINK PEARL IS A FANTASTIC SINGER JUST LIKE HER DAD

I think Pearl probably got a head start in music because of her dad and now her boyfriend. That doesn't make her a better singer in my opinion.

She's pretty good though and probably one of the best support acts I've seen. She'd be good at a festival. I'm saying that because I haven't heard her do any REAL stand out songs so far.

This pretty much sums up my opinion of her too. :cool:

She's a good singer. I like a few songs on her album. She's got a little Janice Joplin to her voice.

Head start? Pearl's been a back-up singer paying her dues. Head start would be like Brooke Hogan. I don't think she's done any back-up singing or anything else. She had her dad's fame and money to give her a notch up.

But Brooke Hogan is crap and can't sing. Pearl is a good singer, but would she be where she is today without her famous dad making her one of his backing singers to start with?

She was a back-up singer for Motley Crue too. I wouldn't consider being a back-up singer, a head start. I guess it's in your definition of head start. If being a back-up singer since 1994 and then releasing your first album in 2009-2010 is your definition of head start, I'd hate to see your definition of paying dues. 16 years as a back-up, yeah she REALLY got the silver spoon on that one. :roll:

Sheryl Crow was a back up singer for Michael Jackson and thus got to work with Bill Bottrell which helped her launch her solo career with great songs as he is a fantastic song writer. Definitely a head start.

We'll have to disagree on the definition of "head start". I don't think 16 years is a "head start".

Who's talking 16 years though? Pearl was a back up singer in Meat's band much more recent than that and also it is probably more "opening doors" than "head start" what I'm trying to say.

If you mean her touring out of a suped up van (with uhaul in tow), playing venues a bit bigger than a bar, with accomodations such as a bloody couch and interviewers throwing up in the bathroom pre-show.....ummmmm....she probably could do that on her own without flashing the Meat Loaf/Scott Ian card.

She's got her debut album out that is awesome and underexposed, she's taken it on the road to anyone who will listen, putting in her time, and meeting the fans.

All details are according to her facebook as well as other fan's facebook pages.

Sorry, you can't tell me that she's had a "head start". IMO: She may have some intel into the business and knows a lot of people, but she's doing it ground up.

Suzieq

She probably wouldn't have got a gig as a back up singer if it wasn't for her Dad, that's a pretty good head start.

And what constitutes 'paying her dues'? I hear it so many times and it's bullshit. It's a label people slap on somebody to make out that the artist deserve recognition more than somebody else just because they like them. There's a shitload of artists out there who've worked harder, longer and sacrificed more and really have paid their dues, Patti Russo springs to mind for one ;)

IMO: Pearl is that good and she probably would have gotten a gig on her own.

No it's just an easy way to say, the artist has broken into the business, has gained knowledge, has made friends, has learned, has made mistakes, has grown, has put in the legwork, has put their name in lights, all of which are not easy to do. This thread was labeled PEARL. NO ONE is comparing resumes with Patti. And for the record I love Patti and she deserves her shot too.

This weekend in the UK we have Glasto on. You only see the main headline acts on the BBC whilst there are countless other stages where other fantastic artists perform. I'm sorry but I do think people sometimes should look beyond the Meat Loaf bubble and see what's out there. You might be surprised to find something else that captures your interest just as much or maybe even more. I'm only saying this as there are many artists I can think of who are as good as Pearl or perhaps even better. Her dad certainly helped to open doors. If you don't believe that then why are we even debating her here on this forum?

Just for clarification, are you thinking I'm in a Meat Loaf bubble?

No that is not a personal attack! It's just that I am sensing a rather biased approach here on this board towards other hard working artists: I.e. only Meat Loaf and his gang have ever had to endure a hard time and all other artists have an easy life. It's ridiculous. People (including me) slag off so many other artists because we don't like their music but that doesn't mean to say that people at the top of the charts work less hard than those at the bottom which in this case has been Meat Loaf here and Pearl.

I'm thinking that, which is OK, there's a lot of people on here who are.

Yeah there's nothing wrong with that but I'm just saying when we are talking about sheer effort there are a lot of people out there who work their fingers to the bone and I DEFINITELY think Pearl has had A FORM of help through her dad. Sure she needs talent otherwise it doesn't work or last as with Brooke Hogan it won't.

You don't know that.

My comparison is very relevant. Have some AI winners paid their dues? Not in my opinion. I don't think Pearl deserves more recognition. I'm just saying, she didn't start out making her own records from day one like some artists with famous/rich parents. According to what I've read, she's been a back-up singer since 1994. That's a long time to travel the roads, in the background before you put out your first record. And don't be so touchy...

I'm not going to drag other threads or the whole board for that matter into a thread and discussion about Pearl.

I will say a lot of the songs that are top of the charts right now .... I don't like.

Thanks for the bubble. Meat Loaf is my top dog. My music collection is vast and I don't stop discovering, which is still OK, because I'm good with it. So you can remove the tidy bubble you've placed me in.

ignoring the past, (which aint easy), ignoring you know her musical history, the real questions are...

do you like her songs?
do you think shes a great singer?
do you think she deserves much more success than she has got?
do you think she should have a much bigger following?

and the answers to the above could probably be applied to millions of performers through out the world!

my question is why do you think pearl deserves success above the thousands of other great acts??

First, Meat Loaf bubble? Come on. Why is that the instant defense when someone disagrees with a point. I like many artists other than Meat Loaf.

My point is, you said head start. 16 years isn't a head start in my opinion. Did it open doors? Probably. But let's give her some credit. If her dad's pull was that good, why wait 16 years to walk through the open doors? Let's continue the conspiracy then. Did Meat Loaf threaten Motley Crue to get her a back-up job?

And we're debating Pearl because a thread was started and you said something I disagree with.

I didn't say she deserves more success than others. I'm just saying, give her a little credit because some comments are making it sound like she had this handed to her on a silver platter.

ok, dead on, i aint heard any of her stuff... twas only asking

and it was a generic question.. not directed to any person...

just a question, and i'd like to hear others thoughts on it

It was never a question of deserving over others.....the debate is about "head starts".

:-) No harm intended in my answer. I was just answering your question.

:D

head starts??? youre gonna want massive media coverage then... that'll be the media packaging story ;) or reality tv as its mismarketed as

I know it's highly coincidental that the first gig she gets as a backing singer is for some bloke called Meat Loaf who just so happens to be her Dad. :wtf:

I'm not really bothered enough to read everyones arguments but the general gist seems to be that some people think Pearl has been handed this on a plate whilst others do not.

I'm rather firmly in the "has not had this handed to her" camp. She has got a good enough voice that if she had wanted to sing since she was a youngster in any other family, I think it could be reasonably surmised that she could've ended up doing what she's doing. But why bother guessing at it? What purpose does it serve.

None.

You either like her stuff or you don't, but I think it is the height of rudeness to personally attack her over whether she's only in the music business because of Meat.

I disagree that it is rude to suggest that. I think it is only natural you choose to do what you know best. She grew up in that world and liked it so why not take the opportunity? Out of the billion professions one can choose I think it is too coincidental for Pearl to be a rock singer too. :cool:

No-one said she wasn't talented though as far as I read here so why is it an attack? :shrug: We were merely discussing that she has had at least some form of help along the way whereas other artists of that age may not and don't even get as far as she does and why she deserves to be a greater success than other artists. What I think is happening with the latter is that some people may seem to think she deserves success over other artists JUST because she is Meat's daughter and that IS rather rude.

I don't think a single person has said or suggested that in this whole thread.

How would you know if you don't read everyone's argument? And also I didn't say that anyone suggested that but it is what I am gathering from this thread is what some people MAY seem to THINK. If I'm totally wrong then who cares.

I have since read the thread and saw nothing to suggest it, which begs the question of why you brought it up, other than to guess at peoples thoughts which is clearly a pointless exercise.

But you can't say she probably wouldn't have got a gig as a back-up singer without Meat Loaf. How do you know that for sure? Do you have a crystal ball? If so, give me lottery numbers.

Just as pointless as not reading the thread and assuming what people have been writing or more so?

No, because as my last post directs, I HAD read the thread at that point.

I have actually seen Pearl perform a few times, the best being a gig she did in York on her own. This was absolutely superb, the one in Camden was incredible as well.
I think she has an incredible voice, is sexy, has stage presence and i love the songs she does. My fave being Love Pyre, simple as that to me, love the voice, the songs and the atmosphere at a gig that she presents. I do hope she gets more exposure and comes back to the UK.

Some people believe in coincidences and some don't, I'm one that doesn't. Had she got a gig as a backing singer prior to Meat Loaf then my opinion would be completely different. He opened the door for her, and as a father I can't blame him, but lets not pretend that she got the gig just purely on merit.

But that's not what we're discussing here. The point being debated was that she got a head start because of Meat Loaf. Being a back-up since 1994 isn't a head start in my opinion.

Now, you're second point. So if Pearl sang like a scalded cat, you think she would have gotten the gig anyway. Come on, she had to be able to sing to get the gig, whether Meat Loaf was her dad or not. Now, did she get the gig partly because Meat's her dad? Of course. But she had to be able to sing as well. And, you still can't say she would never have gotten any back-up gig with any band. You don't know that. But more importantly, why am I having to defend this point. I'm with Slice on this one (and we don't agree too often). Why even bring up whether or not she's earned her spot? It's just not needed. Just my opinion.

Maybe her father has indeed opened some doors for her but is that a bad thing? If she was totally talentless but popular anyway and if she owed that popularity to nothing but her dad's fame and connections... But this isn't the case. Everybody who wants to achieve something, regardless of in which area, needs a network. If daddy is part of the network - fine. I bet Meat could have done much more to help her enter the market than just let her sing at his shows - but it seems as if she prefers to make it on her own for the most part. I rather consider it as a kind of apprenticeship.

Pearl has a good voice and is a very gifted performer. She just needs a unique style with regard to the songs, in my opinion.

You're making less and less sense as post go on.

I think it's best to agree to disagree here. Some don't think she got a head start in her career and some do. Some people like her songs and some don't. One thing we all are in pretty much agreement with though is, to some degree she can sing and she's pretty good looking.

Yeah I was at that Nottingham show and some others where Pearl sang and she was great. She's a very talented lady.

Carole

I like her stuff, not all of it, but overall she is pretty good! I like what I have heard of her more than the stuff from that Lisa chick who is opening for Meat Loaf for most of the dates. I have always wanted to see a Meat show opened by Pearl.

I never understood why there have to be opening acts that have hardly anything to do with the main act. Which criteria are they chosen by? Pearl's presence obviously had a positive impact on some of the Casa De Carne shows. There was an especially nice atmosphere at the concerts that were opened by her.

:twisted: Fecking hell.
Jonty has posted the most sensible post on the thread.
OK, pass my hat and the mustard :p


One way or another you can't hold Pearl's past/origins against her.

She may have done her first back up singing with her dad, but many mechanics will tell you that the first engine they built was in their dad's garage.

It's the old "why don't you have a go at this" family business thing.

My dad was in insurance, but that doesn't mean that I am naturally born to be a good insurance agent, but I know that if I was inclined to try my hand at insurance, and a position opened in my dad's firm, he would have put my name forward.

Just like (to use the mechanic metophore again) if a guy owns his own garage and needs to take on help, his son/daughter will get to try the job if they are interested.

Meat might have opened doors for Pearl, even if it's just his name that opens it, but that's only true assuming that the people Pearl auditioned for knew it was Meat's daughter, but door opened or not, it's Pearl who has to walk through the door.
If she wasn't up to the job then she wouldn't have lasted.

Wjhere she came from is really irrelevant, judge her on her own merit and what she's doing now.

and to add to Mr Mouse's ramblings ...

In every piece of press I've read about Pearl she tries her damndest to play down her family connections, despite what the journalists may try and spin into the story, she may have a famous dad and a famous husband in rock circles but as I see it she's doing her best to make it on her own and she should be applauded fo rthat in my opinion.

Like virtually every other industry out there in this day and age, rock and roll is a very cut throat, competitive industry where it's not always what you know (or what you can do) that makes the difference but who you know. Rock and roll is also like everfy other industry out there in that if you're punching above your weight you'll soon get found out ...

Who can really blame Pearl (or anyone else who finds themselves in a similar situation) for taking an opportunity to get a foot up the ladder or at the very least some impetus to get that foot on the rung to start with?

Something not mentioned so far, but would being Meat's daughter actually make things harder for Pearl in the long run? Yes he has the ability to open doors for her, but many more seem to slam back in his face (especially recently) and therefore possibly hers too? :shrug:

True it could be as much of a hindrance as a help perhaps.

Pearl is a good singer and I wish she was opening the first shows instead of that Lisa girl. However, I also wish Patti was given the opportunity to open some shows. She certainly deserves a shot too and she has written some amazing songs that I'd love to hear live. Hopefully, Patti will atleast get a solo spot in the show.

At the start I think it helped, coming off the phenomenally successful Bat2 tour and then WTTN, but now, I think you make a valid point.

Putting 2+2 together and making 5, perhaps she plays down her family connections like Andy said because of the doors being closed on Meat like Evil said. Maybe Pearl doesn't want to be seen in the same light as Meat is :shrug:

I got 7, which equates to the other possibility that she want's to be perceived has having made it on her own rather than being accused of nepotism.

Technically, she hasn't been a backup singer for 16 years. Didn't she go to college and pursue writing for a while? And since she left Meat's band in 2003, she's been working on her own material. Her first album was Broken Thorny Crown, released a few years ago, which I really enjoyed.

I guess the children of celebrities always get judged because their parents have money so they don't have to struggle and sacrifice the way some "starving artists" do.

:twisted: Sorry if i've missed a page (wouldn't be the first time :wtf: ) but what doors are being shut to Meat?

Good reviews from the press (for a change).
Lots of TV interviews.
Judge on Opera Star.
Possibility of Celeb Apprentice.
Still doing movie work.

I know the album hasn't sold the figures hoped for, but I don't see many doors closing.

You in the right thread Mousey?

:twisted: Added a quote for clarification :wink:

You are correct. Meat is on talk shows all the time, the radio can't stop playing his songs and the record company is going absolutely cucking frazy with all the promotion they're doing.

I know this is irrelevant but Sheryl Crow sucks ass.

Unfortunately it IS irrelevant because she is also very, very successful. Whether you like her or not.

This thread was meant to be about how Good (or not) a performer Pearl is. Personally I think she is fantastic. I have seen her both as an opening act for Meat Loaf, and in several solo shows she has performed.
Somehow the thread has degraded into a discussion of whether or not she had a leg up from her dad, and whether or not that is good or bad, and whether or not someone said something or just thought it, or implied it but didn't mean it.

WHAT A LOAD OF OLD S**T.

I am a big Meat Loaf fan, and I come on here on a daily basis but the way this thread has lost the plot is the very reason I rarely post. Can we not just get back to talking about how good (or not if that is your view) Pearl is as a singer / performer. FFS!!!:angry:

Pearl is great on her own.

But if she wants to separate herself from her dad professionally so much she wouldn't be opening for him in his home state.

The way I see it, if shes not a success, Pearl Aday and the Neverland Express will be erected after meat retires.

No

Have you actually ever seen a Meat Loaf concert with Pearl?

You also foresaw a Meat Loaf / Miley Cyrus duet... :twisted:

A very good point Mr.Wario :up:

Hence I brought this point up as I only ever saw Pearl when she opened for Meat but apparently I am talking old shit. In my opinion these things are interconnected. To force people to separate the issues is all well and good but isn't this a Meat Loaf forum anyway?

ITD BE GREAT TO SEE HER GO NUMBER ONE

I thought it was all relevent and interconnected. Maybe the interconnection was too mindblowingly uncomplicated for some people to cope with :shrug:

In my opinion, that'll never happen with the songs she's singing.

Your point is?:roll:

Nobody picked out you as saying you talk a load of old shit, it was a general comment on the thread, not a personal one ! You are not quoted in it, but now you mention it;) LOL.....

I doubt that. Pearl has her own style of music. The Neverland Express is associated with Jim Steinman's music and Pearl's voice isn't well suited for that type of music. I could see Patti Russo and the Neverland Express somewhere down the line.

So Dave are you hitting a show in Texas or Florida for your wish to come true??? :D

Suzieq

Nice audio interview here:
http://www.classicrockrevisited.com/interviewPEARL.htm

I posted on another Pearl thread, but thought it applicable here as well:

Pearl getting some press time :) I LOVE this song from her album Little Immaculate White Fox.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/video/24704807/index.html