In the end "better" is just subjective.

But more objective than claiming it's all great ;)

I wish people dared to acknowledge the difference in quality more often. Then they would enjoy a stand out product better than when they don't dare to acknowledge flaws :cool: No matter how subjective you may think that sounds :twisted:

It's good NOT to equally enjoy everything you get. It will make you become indifferent. Or even unconcerned.

Thundery sound effects / Nocturnal Pleasure / If It Ain't Broke Break It
Modern Girl
Dead Ringer For Love
I'd Lie For You
Live Or Die
California Dreamin'
The Giving Tree
I'd Do Anything For Love
Objects In The Rear View Mirror
Rock And Roll Dreams

Bat Out Of Hell
You Took The Words
Heaven Can Wait
All Revved Up
Two Out Of Three
Paradise
For Crying Out Loud

Mercury Blues
Why Don't We Do It In The Road
a new cover (something by Queen or The Who perhaps? :shrug:)
Gimme Shelter

Do Frying Pan and Lemon as soundchecks for a double CD special edition and Bob's your uncle, Fanny's your aunt and I've taken this thread completely off topic. :lol:

That may be the worst Hot Patootie to ever see release. Vocally, Meat just sounds awful in that 1.5 minute clip. By the time he hits the chorus, "hopped in the backseat, really had a good time" he literally seems to be just screaming, and not even screaming well. Can't believe they didn't dub the vocals on that one.

I agree with what a few others have said, maybe Australia, with all the issues going on over there, wasn't the place to do this. I'm sure it was probably planned to far ahead, but the end product is unfortunately a sub par representation of Meat.

And before anybody runs in on their high horse, this is all IN MY OPINION.

Not in my view. To enjoy an artist's work across the board without subjecting it to strong criticism does not mean that there will not be occasions when you are absolutely blown away by what he does. That I have never been unhappy with a performance of Meat's doesn't mean I can neither spot nor be thrilled when he kicks it out of the park. And as enjoyment of anything is wholly subjective, no-one can say with any authority that anyone else's enjoyment of a GREAT performance is any greater than mine. I don't have to be disappointed or find fault with the other dishes served at a banquet just because one was sublime. Thankfully I can enjoy all of them even though one outshines some of the others.

Caryl

From what I have been able to see and hear Mark my opinion is that this is not sub-par. In the songs featured in the 18 minute promo I saw and heard a good representation of the shows I thrilled to on that tour, and Meat's vocals were great. The shooting will have been planned far in advance, and when the day arrives Meat plays the hand he's holding. I think he played it extremely well.

When I've heard Hot Patootie I will come back and respond. If I don't find it as great as I did on the tour I'll say so, but I do not believe I will find it matches your description, nor would I ever describe it in that way.

Caryl

It doesn't matter what you think - sometimes no one can hear you scream ;) Sad but true ...

Looking forward to it. I'm sure Hot Patootie will rock as ever - its some of the other classics that may be not as great as ever - but by all means prove me wrong !!!

I was referring to Hot Patootie as commented on by Mark. If when I hear it I think it does not live up to the performances I saw on the tour I will say so.

I don't expect any song to sound like it did when it was performed in 1978. Meat's voice has matured, he moves on, and I do with him. However, he has overcome the vocal difficulties that beset him leading up to the vocal cyst. He's been performing superbly in my view since he recovered from that, I was delighted with his performance at every show I went to on the Hang Cool tour, and from what I have heard and seen on the 18 minute promo clip here, the Sydney show faithfully lives up to those. BOOH, AFL, SITS and R&RD all stand out as doing that. However, I have not the slightest inclination to prove you wrong, change your perceptions, or push elephants uphill sideways ;)

I'll pass on your other response to one of my posts as I haven't a clue what you're trying to suggest.

Caryl

Well all I have to say is I watched BAT and I think it is outstanding, yes it has been edited- dubbed- re-recorded- whatever it is - which is completely expected. Meats vocals are exceptional , the band is great as usual - lighting is fantastic. Cut very Best Bat i've heard since MSO- i love the addition of the orchestra on MSO so that is pretty untouchable for me personally. This DVD is going to be great-I'm happy.

I've watched the promo of BOOH a few times now and I really love it. Yes, it might have been re-recorded but to be honest, I don't actually care. All that matters to me is that I enjoy the DVD and if the rest of it is as good as the promo then I'm sure I'm going to love it. :D

How do we know it's overdubbed? Is there evidence?
I think it would have sounded better/different if it had. Compare Meat's studio vocals on HIAH etc. I think those are the original vocals.

Just lots of opinions I think ;)

I think it could well have sounded different. To me it sounds just like the concerts I attended. That BOOH is really great. And at the end of the day, like Jenna, I don't give a rats' if anything has been tweaked, effects added, or anything else. Meat's vocals were brilliant on the tour, the band is just the best, and if this DVD takes me back to the wonderful nights of brilliant shows I experienced .. that's what matters to me.

Meat's giving us the DVD we asked for. He wants it to be the best it can be. That's what I love about the man .. he wants all the time to give us the very best he can. I shall bang it in the DVD (non-Blu Ray) player, sit back without a stopwatch in my hand, and simply enjoy what he has signed off on. The lighting for me simply enhances the feeling of being in the arena .. so I love that. Will he sound like he did in 1978? Not much of the time; that was over 30 years ago, and we've all moved on. Will he be pitch perfect on every single note? Probably not. Will he be a nanosecond or two out on timing at some point? Quite possibly. But will he deliver a fantastic, hugely entertaining and polished show with flair, passion, incredible energy and total commitment? In my view, without a doubt. That's what I'm buying, that's why I'll love it, and that's why I thank him so much for doing it :D

Caryl

Watch the entire DVD then see what you say. u have no idea what the final product is like, you only know what youve been appetized.

If the large appetizers are that sour, then I'm not holding my breath that the main course will suddenly sound better than what they are promoting the thing with

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The thing is that the tasters are designed to give people an idea of the DVD and tempt them to buy it but if you don't like what you see in the teasers then there's not a lot to persuade you to buy it.

It's like any product, if you don't like the sound of it from the commercials then you probably won't be rushing out to buy it.

I, personally, have been impressed with the majority of what I have seen about this DVD and because of that I am looking forward to the moment when I can watch it.

This DVD is not going to appeal to everyone but I can't think of a single product that IS universally liked. It doesn't mean the products are inferior, it's just the way the world works.

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Proof? :-P

Information on backing vocals, instrument tuning and crowd noise. Nothing about overdubbing, autotuning etc of Meat's vocals, which seems to me to be the inference frequently on this thread and others.

And I'm still surprised that anyone (not referring to you Matt) would think that the clip we've seen and heard of BOOH from the DVD is not terrific, and an ideal taster.

Caryl

Yeah that's one thing I found when re-reading Paul's post, it talks about the band members, not Meat Loaf. Its hard to tell if he is commenting on Meat or not. I totally agree regarding BOOH from the dvd. It sounds absolutely awesome. Its very exciting :)

He didnt mention meat for a reason. Meat is totally overdubbed and it sounds amazing. just what I wanted! a perfect mix, unlike what 3 bats live was.

I love all the previews. this will look and sound amazinggggg

Some here are really sure of themselves aren't they? :roll:

I'm sorry, over dubbed or not, he does not sound amazing, nor does BOOH in this instance. The vocals, IMO are bad, the violin doesn't fit with the sound, and that echo is just outright annoying and makes it sound over produced.

I have played the EPK and the iTunes previews for several people outside of the Meaty community and all of them say that there is no way that they could make it through the whole thing with the way he sounds.

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If you read what Paul posted again, you'll see that he said they ran all the mics through some tuning software, grabbing words here and there that needed a tune-up. And obviously Meat was singing into a mic, so...
Hey, I'm all for it. I want the DVD to be brilliant, jut like everyone here. If that means the bits that were considered sub par (by the guys that played 'em) have been made better, then why not? I certainly would tidy any niggly little things up if it were my release (I wish!)

I obviously don't know for sure what was overdubbed and what wasn't, but for me, a "totally overdubbed" live performance isn't live anymore. :shrug:

Springsteen's voice was pretty shredded in parts on the "Live in Hyde Park" DVD, but they left it that way- it's what he sounded like at the time.

I see circles......

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