I am a musician myself actually. We have not recorded yet, but dealing with leaks and illegal downloads might actually be something I might be confronted with in the future. This is only hypothecical, but I think, someone showing up at a show after having received a "free" copy of my music, is still someone I appreciate seeing there.

It is understandable that leaks are something the artist and associates want to prevent. Having said that, when I am looking forward to hearing a new recording by one of my favorite artists, I can't wait and I grasp every opportunity there is to listen to the recording earlier.
In this case, as i stated, I had preordered, and I wouldn't have cancelled that order under any circumstance anyway.
So I can live with this sin just fine. If there is a legal streaming option for something I am interested in, I never would use the illegal source. Still, there is the possibility that I want to own a physical copy if the music means something to me.

I see and I understand where you are coming from. But, as Adje says, these days you must try a different approach. It is all about the package and presentation. There are a lot of things you can't properly copy. Think about special editions, cool merchandise, vinyl releases and of course there still are live shows.

This music industry has changed. Artists put out records now purely to gain interest for a tour. Records make no money for an artist, especially if they don't write the material. But they do make $$$ in touring. And I have to say, I do think that's how it should be!

What happened to the proposed UK tour?

You don't want to know...

O...Oh.

:shock:

Oh

I never did get around to geting this, mainly because I couldn't find it anywhere to listen to first, so will ask does anyone know if it is available anywhere to listen to, other than just samples, and the odd track thats on youtube?

Good question, as (since the events in the link above) the label has pulled the physical release of the album from distribution. It seems to still be available on Amazon, but iTunes offers only some unrelated singles that he might be involved with (shocker, there's more than one person going by just Tyce out there; I'd wager a guess given his theater background that the cover of the song from Hamilton might be him, but that's about it), and no album. (I mean, there is an iTunes link to it, but it sends me into a loop that other iTunes pages in my browser don't, causing me to think it was pulled from there as well.)

Ironically, given much of the content of this thread, what was decried initially by one of those involved with it may be the only way the album gets around now...

Being honest, I could not find a genuine place to get it from, (and I'm not asking as I know it's not allowed!) so, if it is out there to obtain dubiously, then it's well hidden (or ((and sorry for the pun!)) I'm blind as a bat!)

Very interesting how this has come to an end considering this guy was carried relentlessly by that Nicki guy here on the forum constantly to try to promote him (he actually did that quite well and with respect to the fanbase). At the same time over on Tyce's public social media platforms I could only ever see him bitch about the president when I checked these out and never saw anything about how much he enjoyed performing Meat's music. Not only is an artist such as that incredibly toxic to have working for you, it's incredibly stupid as you are already dividing a potential fanbase in half for no reason. I have no problem with people disagreeing with a thing here and there what politicians do and if they feel strongly about a certain subject I can understand they take it on board to get people to think about it. But relentlessly going after one politician is just dumb so early on in a career when you are supposed to be doing something positive that is already surrounded by some inevitable rightful criticism (ie aren't you just copying what someone else has done before etc).

I feel sorry for the people (other than Tyce of course) involved who genuinely thought they had a shot at doing something interesting here and probably spent their own money and a lot of time on this project. Also the band members who going from what I heard did a decent job.

Should have auditioned for a better singer (there are far better ones out there, see starnow) and ultimately a better person imo. Shame.

A lot of American stars -- and wannabes -- are sharing politically motivated messages and not really suffering for it, or at the very least managing to bounce back after a period of time if there is some sort of flak. I would say a combination of -- in my opinion -- not being very good and making a colossal error in judgment (to say the least) in his private life shot him in the foot more so than any political commentary, especially in the current climate of public opinion surrounding such allegations.

Sure the allegations are far worse.

I just think the political commentary was an insult to whoever paid for the recordings and promo unless that was part of the deal - "Hero" (album name). But I very much doubt that as he just came across as a childish entitled whinging moron and these songs are far removed from political commentary in my opinion and I'm sick of seeing every form of entertainment being politicised.

wow!

Funnily enough Tyce approached Jim for a part in the musical, but that was post casting, so it never came to be. Thank F.C.U.K. they dodged that bullet.

In the US entertainment industry political comments are welcomed, just only from one side.

I ain't touchin' that one; I'm just saying that, at least from where I'm sitting, most people didn't really seem to give a damn about his political comments, but certain allegations in the wake of #MeToo have destroyed a lot more than just his career.

Well, now there's one more way to evaluate the product... if you have Spotify, the album is now freely available for streaming.

My two cents? Anyone who knows me on this forum knows I'm usually more a Steinman fan than a Loaf fan, sometimes blindly so. But after listening to some of this, I'm not listening to the full album, and no one on earth could make buying this shit worth my while.

Welp...

That was...........as expected. O_o
:tumble:

You have every right to have your opinion, and I have every right to have my opinion. To me this album was very good. Of course not on the same level as Meat's album like "Bat Out Of Hell 2" (to me - this is the best Meat album), but still it was very good.
Why I'm saying these things above? Maybe because using word "shit" to express feelings about Tyce album, isn't good thing. It was fine example of what could be done today to Jim Steinman music. Of course some interpretations of the songs were not good, but some were super (especially those two from Bonnie Tyler repertuar).

PS. Although I like his interpretation of some songs, I think that he has done terrible thing to his future plans (and to younger people). Awful ... :evil:

Well since I have a spotify account I listened to his rendition of I'll Kill you...
I believe I've never heard anyone cover this song before.

To summarise I shouldn't have bothered.

So horrible.

Like listening to someone trying to play the violin for the first time.

:roll:

Well, I'm glad you found something to like about the album, and that you had your way of describing it. I didn't find anything to like about it, and I had mine. For my money, a lot better could be done to Jim Steinman's music today than turning it into an endless parade of "hot club play" chart entry attempts, followed by a set of one-take-only "acoustic" covers that might as well be a well-meaning secondary school student completing a project for graduation requirement. And this bloke had the nerve to sell himself as a vocal coach...

I kinda liked the production. I think in Paul's productions, the Wall of Sound is a bit lacking. It all sounds too direct, there is a considerable amount of reverb missing and it all sounds a little shallow. I liked the arrangement in some songs on the Tyce release, for example Braver and I'm Gonna Love Her For Both Of Us. I am not a fan of Tyce's Voice though.

the album was and is available on all outlets...

to comment on the above...."shit" a bit harsh and rude...how about "i don't like it" your just looking reaction.

"Funnily enough Tyce approached Jim for a part in the musical"

complete BS Tyce was at the workshop in NYC at the same time as the others 2 1/2 years ago, you can see Tyce singing FCOL to jim directy online the night before the original workshop.....get your facts right....you dont have to like Tyce but dont talk about shit you have no clue about...

The album, IMO, is...In a word: rushed.
It could have been something so much better than it is.
Tyce has a nice voice, and he did do a great job on FCOL during the 54' show(s?)...And I'm sure Jim loved it, but to constantly come here and push an album that most of us aren't that big on is a little silly.

its just impossible to win on this site.....when you going to tour? you push the album to much!! you push the album to little!!

i joined this site in Nov 2003 and have made 186 posts thats 18 years so thats 9 posts a year....so hardly coming on here pushing it to much....

So 9 posts a year and mostly just to push a bad album from an unlikely character (or are you just ignoring the elephant in (tyce's) room).

Of course you can win. You even had a few people saying they like the album. If you really wanted to win you should have produced (yes I said produced) a better album with a better suported lead both in as outside the studio.

You coming back here, 45 posts in this topic, is well... you said it best

Harsh? Rude? Looking for a reaction? Apparently your morning ablutions don't involve a mirror, mate...

But for the last two years you've only posted once on a thread NOT about Tyce .. I understand why, and I'm sorry you hitched to a wagon that has gone off the rails so badly. But Meat is unique, this is his fansite, and it would be naive to expect comparisons wouldn't be made, and that some will find the album not for them, even criticise it harshly .. they do with Meat for heaven's sake, and Tyce is just not in the same ballpark ;)

I initially enjoyed the album, but the Trump-bashing hypocrite Tyce Green makes it very difficult for me to listen to it now with joy... :angry: :down:

Just to clarify is the supposed UK tour no longer happening?

Nick, you should probably think about who it is that you're talking to. Tyce did, in fact, message Jim for a part in the musical weeks before Manchester previews. By that time it was too late, as all of the parts were cast (which Jim relayed to Tyce at the time).

Maybe you should ask Tyce about it. Just a thought :cool:

^ Not to mention, it wasn't even a private conversation. Someone could probably scroll through Jim's Facebook page and find the exact thread where (IIRC) Tyce said he hadn't heard they were holding auditions, but wanted to take part, and Jim (IMO) waffled out of it with an "I didn't know you didn't know, but it's happening in the UK, so..." kind of response. He may well have been at the workshop, but it seems that's about where it ended.