back to my reply i typed hours ago:

As Jonty, Carl and me are often quoted as a bad example here Id like to say something on this matter:

a) I didnt know our posting was annoying people, if so, sorry

b) I do know that my lyric posting was annoying people. As soon as this was brought to me, I simply stopped it. Without feeling attacked personally or bitching about it.

With all respect Neil, that's simply what you should have done.

The way i see things
 

ok i typed this earlier before the thread got locked and still see it relevant so i reserve my right to still post, R if you think it wrong then please take it down ;)


Right hmmm where do we start with this mess.....

First i will give my opinion... then answer your quotes Neil


My opinion and my perogative is this....

Neil and co have been needlessly hounded in this thread and some things have been said that just arent true or just very mean!!

I personally dont agree with what has been said, yes i make a little commment to MYSELF when i log onto new posts and see the same name as new poster on all of them but i dont visit half of those threads so i dont care, and the reason i dont visit is not because of these three, it is quite simply that i just think the threads are daft, i am too busy with littlun to get involved in those games, but all power to thse that do, i'm glad you all have fun.

In regards to personal comments, i dont really see any, i saw alot more from another couple when they first got together but nothing was said. As long as comments stay in off topic and relevant to the thread then i dont see the issue. I personally did post a 'so back to the topic' comment on a meat related article thread, because it was taken way off topic and i believe i was right to do so and make no apologies, however i wouldnt do that in the off topic threads as thats what they are for.

As far as i can see we only have one persons word that pm's have been flying around, nobody i have spoken to in the last 24hrs regarding this apparantly knows of anything being said behind the scenes so i find that a malicious comment personally as it can be said without providing any back up whatsoever.

so on to the relevant quotes to me...


i'm sorry if i read that wrong but it looks like you have misread what i put...i meant that those who criticise you for having private convo's have been/are guilty af doing the same thing. I tried to refrain from saying but yes i guess i mean hypocrites. I personally know of no pm's flying around or any 'bitchin' i'm not saying it hasnt been happening, but i have no knowledge of it, and have only seen one person talking about this with no one backing it up.


Again not sure my post was read right, i was saying how i defined an in joke, iactually dont think anything i've read from you guys fit that description however many other occasions from others do.


To be brutally honest as other people seem to be, i actually mean less than too many to mention, was just trying to be polite lol
maybe thats because not everyone agrees.
You have no right to post things other people have said to you but also because you cannot back it up without those people coming forward in which case you need not say anything, in this case i can see how it comes accross as spiteful.

Not going back to the debate but do have to agree that most of the threads in question are daft come to think of it...however, some can be quite fun like Change The Letter and Word Association...

AND something to do when nothing to do...

And that's why there is nothing posted in this thread from me that has come from other people.

And in regards to my comment about people keeping quiet, I know it's people that do agree with me, hence me opening my mouth in the first place. I don't expect other people to change their feeling or opinions, ever, but it's irritating that as soon as it comes to light suddenly people's feelings vanish...

And...moving on...some things will never change...

Can we move this on ...cos some of the things that have been said are very hurtful to people.

I know we all have our own opinions about things but I agree with a lot of the things Anji has said above, especially about hounding people and in all honesty I think it's time this was all dropped cos it's turning into a kind of witch hunt and that's not fair to anyone involved.:(

And please nobody shoot me for saying this it's just my own opinion

Why did you quote me on this post??? :shock:

I just posted my unrelated thoughts?

it was the moving on bit Zina ... nothing else I can unquote you if you want ... but I do'nt think I know how to do this!

Oh no, not a problem at all...I was just surprised at quoting me when I already said moving on...

Not sure where to start here but just want to add my views on this...

As I said I really don't have a problem with Neil, Jo and Barb's posts. I have been far more offended in the past by others posts though.

Seeing as everyone seems to be in the mood for the truth and thinks this is an isolated case, it really isn't. Back around May there was a really bad clique here (before and after Wembley). Many of that clique were the very same people who aren't happy that now others are the post whores. (I don't necessarily mean you here Zina) Yet not one of them saw at the time that they were doing the same thing and isolating many long time fans here. The icing on the cake was the meaty awards thingys... That was a complete piss take and was quite clearly a clique voting for their group of friends even if they didn't fall into that catagory. Take Zina being nominated for (or winning cant remember) the life time achievement or what ever it was, and the fav mod of the moment winning all the awards. It made a complete mockery of the site. But many of you loved it. Just have to add here that Neil this time you were also part of this clique.

Others got totally ignored in many many threads, only people who knew each other would reply to each others posts. For the first time ever here I felt like a total outsider and have been around for almost 10yrs. It really is no different to now. But pretty funny that the very same people find neil and co so bad now. Well I witnessed both and I found the May thing far worse.

Neil, Jo and Barb aren't spiteful or nasty, granted it can get annoying, but they aren't hurting anyone. Others have on many occasions and i'm big enough to admit even I have at times. This is all so hypocritical.

And as for the in jokes.... I see far more of them from others here. In many threads. I really don't see Barb wanting to bump Steve off as offensive Lucy. But I did think the BIG King comments were offensive and imo unessecary. And there have been plenty more.

I also see it that Neil and co do include others if they post and they do (especially Barb) try to reply to others. That really can't be said for many here I can tell you.

Some are also saying that many don't post here anymore, then go on to say that it's only Neil. Jo and Barb posting... Well obviously if nobody else will post lol.

couldn't have said it better myself angelica i would have said my own opinion on here but it would have got me banned

just saying what I thought Jo ... take care

I have to agree here. Anji said lots of how \i feel. I've been noticing the digs for a long time now and in fact I have mentioned it to a mod from the other perspective. Watching it from an outside point of view really wasn't nice. My some peoples :shit: dont stink comment last week (ish) was in direct reply to some of these digs.

I think actually the person that was most mortified by that comment was me, as it was a discussion between Andy and someone else that I got involved in and posted something that was taken completely out of context. Call me old fashioned but if I had meant that comment as it sounded (you'll have to excuse me not remembering the exact conversation but i can't be arsed to find it) then I wouldn't have posted it on a public forum as it would have been completely inappropriate. Andy and I consider our private lives to be exactly that and we do not post about it here.

I'm sorry Lucy you may not now but in the past you both have on many many occasions. There are many 'Too much information' posts in reply to a lot of both of your posts from many different people.

This is a forum full of innuendo, some good, some not so good, and the vast majority of it down to the interpretation of the reader(s). If any posts from me either to or about Andy (or vice versa for that matter) have been viewed as "too much information" then I'm sorry but they have not been intentional, because our relationship doesn't concern anyone here and we've done well to keep it that way

But on the same hand, maybe Neil and Jo haven't done it intentionally?

I am more than sure there are a good few 'high heels' posts from you both. And I don't just mean the shoe addicition ones. But the thigh length boot ones.

my ear hurts

With the exception of numerous shoe conversations, the only thigh high boot posts I'm aware of was a conversation between Zina and me during which I posted a pic of some boots because Zina didn't know what PVC was...if people mistook the Ann Summers model for me then great but that did not involve Andy (or anything from my wardrobe!), because again, my personal life is not for public reading.

Lucy I am not gonna trawl through all of your posts to prove otherwise but you and Andy have posted on many occasions in the past about your private life. Whether it be out rightly or disguised. I don't care either way if you do or don't, but after the comments about Neil and Jo it seems a bit one rule for one and another for the rest.

ok..... i'll leave you all too it.... personaly , this has gone on long enough!!!! have fun.

Yes, it does seem a bit "one rule for one and one for the rest"...yesterday I posted an issue that had been raised by several people (who conviniently disappear as soon as it's mentioned I might add) and now apparently I'm the bully making personal attacks againt people...so at what point do the posts I'm responding to now become personal attacks?

Not sure what you mean, are you saying i'm personally attacking you? As i'm not, just making comparissons and stating facts.

I don't agree with whats being said here about Neil and co. Others do and have posted they do.

And just for the record as it seems ok to do this. i'm also not the only one who has noticed that you two do the same thing. Just seems i'm one of the only one speaking up as well.

OH come on you guy's enough is enough.... seems im the only one to say this but for goodness sake just leave it where it is now.... kiss and make up..... lol.... Enough!!!!

No I don't consider these to be personal attacks, I also don't consider what was said to Neil and Jo to be personal attacks but apparently they are, so I'm interested as to where the line is drawn.

I'm well aware that you are not the only person to have opinions on Andy and I, and one of the major issues that's come up since my original post yesterday is the backstabbing and two-faced nature of people who have discussed Neil and Jo privately. No public posts have been made about Andy and me until now, and neither of us have received PMs or otherwise discussing the matter, so I can only assume we've been the lucky recipients of backstabbing since we made the choice to tell people about our relationship...

I'm sorry Ali but if R see's it's ok for people to carry on and talk this through then I see no reason why we can't do that. As has been said here before we all have the choice not to read it.

Me and Lucy are having an adult conversation here, we don't agree but it isn't a slanging match. Sometimes the only way to clear things up is to all talk them through. As it was it would have looked far worse if the thread had have been locked when R first did and stayed that way. Lucy and Andy are both friends of mine. That doesnt mean I have to agree with them on everything and I can say when I don't. At the moment I think whats being said is relevant to the conversation and as soon as it isn't i;m sure one of us will take it off of here.

I haven't been a member here for very long but I have always felt welcome and I just wanted to explain that I haven't posted on here very much recently but that is because I am snowed under with school work not because I dont feel welcome.
Forgive me if i'm wrong but this could be the case for other people too and might explain why less people are posting.
Thats just my opinion and as I have said i'm only new and so I don't know much about what has been said on here in the past.
Also from what I have read (might have misread) the main problem is that posts have been interpreted wrongly and this can't be helped.

Lucy I totally understand where you are coming from here. As to where the line is drawn I don't really know.

And as far as me not saying anything ( I can't speak for others) i'm sure at one point or another I have to both of you at different times. At the end of the day it' no big deal. Just a bit unfair that others can annoy people at times yet when others annoy them it's such a big deal. And i'm sure that many have been the vitcim of back stabbing (for want of a better word) not just you 2 or Neil and Jo. I've had many a convo with yourself and Andy about others that have peed us off over the yrs. Doesn't make any of us bad though. Or even them for that matter.

This has got to end at some point.....

At the end of the day there was an issue and I brought it up. I realise that on reading it it upset and probably shocked Neil, Jo and Barb as I know it would have done to me, but they were not personal attacks from me or anyone else and I'm sorry if that's how they were interpreted. No-one is claiming that the three mentioned have offended or hurt anyone, it's just something that's become a bit irritating, the same as when people mentioned Carl, RJ and Jonty, or Andy and me (the only difference being that no-one thought to tell us... :roll: :p )

It was inevitable that one day the online community would branch out into friendships and relationships in the "real world" and I think with that comes closer bonds between people, meet ups outside of ML events and a lot more discussion of other members, be it good or bad and I don't think a single person here can claim to have never done it.

It is annoying that some rules can apply to some and not to others, in any situation not just this one, but that's the way of the world unfortunately, so I guess all we can do is everyone take on board what's been said and get on with it, otherwise there'll be even fewer people posting because we'll have all left for good.

Deb there no need to say sorry.... just don't like things like this being said.... your both good friends!!!!! Hope you sort it!
Take Care

hummm should start a bi###### thread - this is post your thoughts isnt it

These are my thoughts, as they are many others :-P

Lucy I agree with all you wrote ....

Ali... don't worry it'll all come out in the wash i'm sure :-)

Well, I wish somebody told me before that I am a liar, a forgerer and generally indicent person who would lie, steal and cheat to be nominated for joke award at some forum...award that actually I think R. won (at least I hope so cause I nominated him and felt he is most deserving)...

Well, well, well...I might have gotten an ulcer out of this but good to know anyway...yeah, well...

I guess that's it then...

Zina that is not what I meant in any shape or form and I do not have a problem with you in any shape or form.

Anyone can see that someone who's been on a forum for less than a yr or what ever it was isn't really a candidate for life time achievemnet award on that board. that was not a dig at you, but nore at those that voted lol. Plus it was by far the only catagory I meant.

I guess that's it then...


don't go zina there's still plenty of postwhoring to do as long as we keep on topic -otherwise we may have to set up another site that anything goes...:cool:

Just when you think it cant get any worse there is a war film on tv ,ugh

that was a good night... excellent gig.. knackered.. cya

I should be in bed

Well, that's the favourite ~~~~~~ed for The Grand National Tomorrow, I've just drawn it in the office sweepstake.

bored as hell and still no end in sight...

nah.. better not

no glove and all that

f*ck, this sucks!! It could be perfect, I know it :(

howd the "meeting" go?

was fun.
didn´t need one or two though ;)

in on a fri night... poor

Mungry....

moaningly hungry?? :?

:twisted: Please, PLEASE, of all the bullshit, DO NOT pretend to give yourself credit that you brought this up.

RJ was posting stuff about ignore threads, you made a snotty remark, I snapped at you (with a remark that was out of order, and have since apologized for) and that provoked you to get on your high horse and have a rant.

If you had not been provoked into that, then Barbara Jo and myself would still be on the receiving end of petty minded ambiguous remarks that are denied at the first challenge.

Just DON'T do it.


Now, if this is the time where we all talk honestly and openly, i'll join in with this seasons latest fashion..............

I don't know why, but it seems to me that Lucy has set herself up as the figure head in this little witch hunt, but of late i'm sensing this this incredible urge to be the head of the pack.To always have an opinion and something important to say.

Lucy, take some good advice and take a long hard look at your signature.
"Women who behave themselves rarely go down in history "

Women who go down in history go down in history for doing something worthwhile.
Emily Pankhurst - Votes for women.
Marie Currie - Chemist, physicist and pioneer in cancer research.
Even Margarette Thatcher - 1st woman PM.


There's nothing wrong at all with women fighting for their rights, their beliefs something (ANYTHING) worth while, but set your sights on something a little bigger than the off topic section of mlukfc (No, i'm not talking about General Messages)
If you have a burning desire to go down in history, then i'm afraid off topic is not going to seal the deal.

This is not meant as a criticism, a strong will and mind can be a great thing, but you are using it in the wrong way if the height of your ambition is telling people off for posting stuff here.


Now where does all this leave us?

According to Lucy there is a major hidden army of pissed off meat loaf fans on this site because Barbara Jo and I are posting to each other.

According to Lucy it's about the content.
I think Deb has said plenty on that subject, and i'm not going to add anything to it, because as far as i'm concerned it's an open adult forum and Lucy can post whatever she likes.

But everything else I have read , including the "you can get away with reading 20" post that prompted me to snap at Lucy, has been about the amount of posts.



So which is it?



Now R. has posted on this thread that he HAD indeed received a single PM asking him to do something.
This thread is the first I have heard about that communication.
R. decided that no action was warranted as the offending posts were in the off topic area (and even those posts were in the right place i.e. I wouldn't ask Jo for a pint in the one word story thread).



What me Jo and Barbara do...............


We post on the threads in off topic.

We stay on the topic of the particular thread.

We do not post to ourselves.

When other people join in posting, we interact with those people, whoever they are, and post to those people as well as ourselves.

Have a very simple in joke that is so out in can hardly be in.
Nobody can say that they can't understand what is being said.


What we don't do...............

Take all the crap (yes, it really is crap) onto the serious parts of the forum.

Post the person below posts in the one word story thread.

We do not ignore and exclude people who come and join in with the posting.

Post complex in jokes about what people have said on PM/skype/msn/telephone or smoke signals that have people scratching their heads and wondering what's being said and why.
For instance, in this very thread that argues against in jokes...........

Now I would like to say a special thanks to Deb for posting her thoughts on this situation.
I would like to apologize to her, and to anyone else, who have ever seen, or do see me, in a clique where I only post to certain people who are included in that clique.
That has never been my intention (or the situation) but I am very sorry if i've ever given that impression.

I also agree that more people could post in the serious parts of the forum as well as off topic.


Also, if nobody is posting but the three of us, and the three of us stop posting, who is left to post?
How many posts in off topic last night on threads but this>
Seems people are starting to fear being lablled post whores if they dare post in fun threads.

just found out the thing i'm meant to be at tomorrow morning.. (the reason for not being out tonight) happened yesterday... oops

this went completely wrong :( :cry:

fraggle rock had a great theme tune

jonty, are you considering bath?

why?? do i smell or something?? :))

I knew it! lol
are you?

camberwick green?? trumpton?? chorlton and the wheelies?? bagpuss?? magic roundabout??
were the drugs THAT strong back then????? :D

I'm gonna be a godmother!!! But does it mean i've got to grow up?!!

hooray!!!!
and no! godchildren love childish godmothers ;) :up:


had a week to get too much used to someone that I won´t hear/see until next tuesday...not nice :(

who?

Not at all .. it's another reason to grow old disgracefully!

:twisted: As if we need another excuse Andy :mrgreen:

Congrats Emma :D

someday i might be old

Thats good cos Josh's other godmother is very serious!!!!

if that's the case you definately need somebody to be a bit silly! :D

colleague

driving into fury

Spike in his slippers on National TV, fantastic! :))

Going to Margate today with sister in law to start to clear out mother in laws flat,she has been dead 2 years and we havent been able to do it yet,too upsetting,gonna be very hard..

Can't wait until tonight.... it's gonna be great!!!

:cool:

might do 'your' song if you're good.

didnt know you were an Elton John tribute as well

cool song :)

I´m really not in party mood atm...
but it should be the best fun if you´re going to something you actually can´t be arsed going, eh?
god I hope so :pray: lol

funny... saw that joke a couple of days ago in one of your threads...

and no, it's not me who is an Elton tribute turned Meat tribute.

guilty.. i'll admit it

just go, you can always leave if it sucks
who is then?

my mum always used to hav a saying.....

We'll stay an hour just to be polite ;)

:twisted: I too have a saying sort of along those lines.......

Let's stay just for an hour to get shit faced and raid the buffet :mrgreen:

Teenage to English dictionary for the benefit of anyone who doesn't have any interaction with them usually....

Mungry - what said teenager says when it returns from being out in order to raid the fridge - 'I'm Hungry'

Flup - generally said after the fridge raiding is finished - 'I'm full up'

Monolody - said when teenager is asked to complete some small task during their period of leave from school/college - 'I'm on holiday'

More entries to be added as the translations come in.

:twisted: My gambling record is ATROCIOUS.

Every year I have a £1 bet on the Grand National.
It's my one gamble of the year.
NEVER had a winner.
Molly, my niece, picked her first winner today :doh: .

So embarrassing when you've got to ask a five year old if she knows anything good :oops:

people are strange

can anybody tell me what IMO stands for please ... have been reading a few other threads and it's being used a lot on there ... bat III live thread etc ... and I do'nt know what it stands for?

It stands for 'in my opinion' hon!!

This site is a bit long winded but it is quite handy for us people not in the know!!!

http://www.techdictionary.com/chat.html

thanks Emma ... it makes sense now!

Anytime, i always have trouble with the song title initials!!

my 'good friend' that likes to think he's the only Meat tribute around...

Woke up this morning and what do i see ? thick thick snow and it"s still comijg down...wonderful ! Taking my two little grandaughters to Bluewater tomorrow,by bus ( 1 hours journey) should be great fun (not) probably will be for the kids lol

Has anyone else got snow ?

I do love the snow normally when it first falls and it is all white and thick...
Dont like it next day when its all slippy cos im normally the 1st to fall over ..lol
Its nice if you have nothing to do ,like work or shopping.....snowball fight..great

lol i get it

RIP Charlton Heston :(

exactly my opinion Barb!!!
I love snow, and I dont even mind it if I gotta drive to work (and I´ve got a long way to drive lol), I enjoy driving when we have snow, pretty much just because for the great drift opportunities and the beautiful landcsape I can see ;)
Sadly there´s no snow here....yet :pray: It´s pouring down :(
But it became pretty cold in the last few days again, so there are still hopes for snow :lawl:


Yet and afterall, it´s way too early for being awake on a sunday morning after a great night out....

Ditto..just seen it on the news....He was a fantastic actor,one of the greats..

Snow is getting thicker by the minute...looking out the window it would make a fantastic painting,

You enjoyed your night out after all then..thats good

any chance of a lovely snow pic barb? ;)

yes, last night was big fun ...

ok.will try

Yeah got the snow here too ... best take the hound out into it before it melts. He loves the stuff, although he's only seen it about 5 times in his entire life.

have taken pics,cant find lead off camera for laptop,typical,have put them in safe place..lol
i will look for them and post pics later..

Aww ,bless him,dogs and kids really love this weather and they never seem to feel the cold..

ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring bananaphone

This is the day i've been dreading for years My Mum is the biggest Charlton Heston fan ever to the point that i was conceived where they filmed El Cid!!! Not looking forward to that phone call later!!!