I agree with this totally, I think Paradise has been over-performed now and needs a break, Its gotten boring. AFL i adore, particularly Patti and Meat's bit at the end, always gives me goosebumps.

My point tho, Patti's vocals on CHSIB, particularly on Paradise and AFL are not as good as she was on the Casa tour, particularly AFL. She sounded strained on MSO. CDC was awesome though.

That version of Nowhere Fast is one of my favorite songs ever <3 Up there with Rebel Without A Clue, We're Still The Children and Objects

And brings every arena's audience to its feet, every time, with a huge cheer! Meat knows what the vast majority of his followers want, and changes the theatre in it every tour. In over 30 years I've never seen an audience fail to respond to it with wild enthusiasm, and imo he knows what he's doing ;)

Patti has never sounded anything but great on any tour imo.

Caryl

Good as Paradise is, and as much as Meat tinkers with it to stop it becoming too stale, it's a looong song and dropping it would allow time for some other classics that never or nearly never see the light of day.

True .. but imo it's one that the vast majority of Meat's audience, (those hundreds of thousands who don't post on Meat websites but go to the shows when he tours) are waiting for, and rise to their feet for with a resounding cheer wherever they are in the arena. That and Bat. Most probably attend just one show on any tour, and these are the two songs they want to hear and see played out above all others in my view, and also in my view, Meat knows this .. he hasn't been around for so long, so sucessfully without learning what his main audience wants. He provides new theatre in Paradise every tour to keep it fresh and thoroughly entertaining, and it's the song that showcases so well that special and intuitive stage partnership he has with the amazing Patti Russo .. something else people love to see.

Caryl

I do agree that Paradise should be played at every show to avoid many disappointed faces, but I'd rather it was kept to about 11 minutes or so instead of stretched out to 15+. :twisted:

I think the way Meat does it now, it is less than 15 mins, but wouldn't swear on it, cos i didn't get a stopwatch out when i saw it performed in the US;) LOL...
Paradise may get lots of people up and cheering at Meats shows, but at Mohegan Sun, i think most of the audience were actually dead ! I have never been to a show where so many people acted like corpses !
It was completely different at PNC NJ, the contrast was immense ! The atmosphere there was electric! whereas Mohegan Sun, the audience needed electricity to jump start their fukking hearts ! Still i had a great time, i am in a little world of my own most of the time anyway !

Yep PNC's version was ecstatic.

But I bolded something important. Even without a stopwatch, you are wayyy off :))

Paradise on this tour is about 19 minutes :cool:

19:10 at Mohegan Sun and definitely longer at PNC....

LOL...Guess when you are having a blast, time is relative;)

Yea, Paradise doesnt seem nowhere near 20 minutes. It seems like a full hour show placed into the middle of a concert :cool:

That aint a bad thing

Agree:))
I swear Patti is really gonna hit Meat in the bollocks for real, with a misplaced knee:shock: LOL....

Back on topic;) I actually really dislike the song Razors Edge, yet i find myself singing along to it ! Very Bizarre ! what the hell is that about ? !

Trying to stay away from songs you dislike often leads to temptation....

Well its something !
I never listen to Martha, i would rather pour neat bleach in my ears, or is that a tad extreme? ;) LOL...

BOOH gets me on my feet every time. I love it. That for me is his main song, along with Paradise. I love it too, of course now he has been using audience members or others to do the parts of the 2 kids making out.

BTW, where is this masters album someone spoke of? I'd love to own that.
Re: Martha for the longest time I avoided this song. Then one day I listened to it and actually had a friend named Martha and let her hear it. She was so impressed b/c she'd never heard a song with the girls name being Martha.

Not at all in this case! Get a bigger bottle next time in case I need some!

I have 3 bottles in the cupboard, get yourself up here, bleach party;) LOL...

:lmao:

as for Martha, didnt he say he used to perform that with meatloaf soul or something in 1968/69?

Guess a pre bat version of the song may change your view on it.

i for one aint a fan but its not his worst

I seem to remember hearing something similar said in the past yeah.

Not sure if a pre Bat version would change my opinion or not, you can't polish a turd.

Don't know, sure someone on here will, but imo it is his absolute worst by a gazillion miles !

Especially a babys arm one like Martha ! LOL...

I'm sure that I read somewhere that Martha was a late substitute for All Coming Back in 1995. I heard Jimmy suggested it ater refusing Meat's request to do ACB. I suppose they are similarly-themed songs, and fit the 'storyline' of the WTTN album.

My least favourite Meat song is a difficult one. Probably Cry Over Me, or If God Could Talk, or something from MATLAF.

I always wondered where All Coming Back would have fit in the storyline of the album.

my list has changed after listening to WTTN again:

YouTube Video

WL you just hate chick songs.:( I do agree, " just do it " does not sound very good. Where are all the songs from? I have all of his main cds released in America , and I have never heard a few of them.. Maybe I need to go back and take a listen to my cd's again.
don't you look at me like that is totally hot.:!: