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As of last monday ....
NEW 191 BAT OUT OF HELL MEAT LOAF 891
Today its at 200 on sales of 399
BOOH 3 has died and stopped selling at the moment.
allrevvedup
15 Mar 2007, 14:20
I wonder will this mean Meat will now play less songs from BAT III when he gets over here!
BOOH 3 has sadden me with it's sales. Whats it's total sales count?
meatloaf-unofficial
15 Mar 2007, 14:35
Look on the bright side - at least Bat Out Of Hell is selling :-)
I wonder will this mean Meat will now play less songs from BAT III when he gets over here!
No way...he has to promote new album...
Blackkat13
15 Mar 2007, 18:15
Bat 3 isn't a true Bat album cause it is suppose to have ML/JS/and TR not other writers....thats proby what has happened....and IACBTM was kinda good but needed more help.
Not sure what that has to do with BOOH sales....?
RadioMaster
15 Mar 2007, 18:24
to be perfectly correct, Bat3 has more TR than Bat2.
That's all as maybe ... but this is about Bat 1 re-entering the UK charts this weeks!
samurai7
15 Mar 2007, 18:40
to be perfectly correct, Bat3 has more TR than Bat2.
no it doesn't. read your booklet again :shock:
Monstro
15 Mar 2007, 18:44
Bat Out Of Hell returns................
.........................Did it ever really go away?
RadioMaster
15 Mar 2007, 19:40
no it doesn't. read your booklet again :shock:
Didnt Todd arrange the background vocals on Bad for Good?
Didnt Todd arrange the background vocals on Bad for Good?
Read the original post again...one song doesn't album make...
RadioMaster
15 Mar 2007, 19:57
but it's still more influence than on Bat2.
evil nickname
15 Mar 2007, 20:09
but it's still more influence than on Bat2.
Check your facts again: Rundgren arranged and sang backing vocals on 9 tracks on Bat 2.
but it's still more influence than on Bat2.
OK...now I am confused...thought it was about Bat I...do have to check my booklet but probably won't cause I am lazy...let me know how it turned out at the end...
Strange how a conversation can wander isn't it? Kev posts the good news that Bat Out Of Hell has re-rentered the UK album charts this week, and it quickly descends into a discussion about Todd's involvement in the Bat Albums :roll:
RadioMaster
15 Mar 2007, 20:26
Check your facts again: Rundgren arranged and sang backing vocals on 9 tracks on Bat 2.
My bad. Looked it up, you're right. Sorry :up:
Monstro
16 Mar 2007, 01:35
Strange how a conversation can wander isn't it? Kev posts the good news that Bat Out Of Hell has re-rentered the UK album charts this week, and it quickly descends into a discussion about Todd's involvement in the Bat Albums :roll:
Give a dog a bone and watch them chew
duke knooby
16 Mar 2007, 01:39
Give a dog a bone and watch them chew
was that with a nick nack paddy whack?
Paul191
16 Mar 2007, 03:24
Bat 3 isn't a true Bat album cause it is suppose to have ML/JS/and TR not other writers....thats proby what has happened....and IACBTM was kinda good but needed more help.
Oh, oh!.... To be honest, I don't think the majority of people out there actually care if this Jimmy guy was involved or not.... In fact most poeple you ask would think the BOOH series was a solo effort by Meat Loaf.... There are better and more justifiable reasons to explain why the album has stopped selling.... Some guy who most people have never even heard of not being involved in the production of the album isn't one of them.... Before you reply by saying 'Oh, but little Jimmy is way, way more famous than his big baby brother Meaty because he has his name written at the bottom of both the, Bat 1 and Bat 2, albums in big, tiny, little letters and way, way more people have heard of him because.... because they read the big massive little book that you get with the Cd thingy'.... Just think, who actually gets the praise for these kind of things.... Was it the producer of the 'Da Vinci code' that got all the fame because he was the brains behind the distribution of the book and employs the bestest editors in the whole wide worldy world? And was it the producer of 'Thriller' that got all of the press and was invited to celebrety parties and award ceremonies or was it this little known guy who nobody has ever heard of called 'Michael Jackson'? The fact is.... Jim Steinman may be this awesome guy who wrote Bat 1 and 2 but the fact is, no matter how hard it is for you to comprehend, he is not used during 'most' (and yes I did say 'MOST!') of the promotion for the album because people are generally not interested in that side of things. Meat Loaf is the guy who the music company use to promote the album and it is Meat Loaf who sings on the album.... And that's all the little known public care about. I doubt very, very, very much that the lack of invlovement from Jim resulted in the lack of sales.... Also, Im pretty sure sales will pick up in the near future with the release of the next single.... And the majority of people will not be saying.... 'There's no way i'm buying that single because it's not written by my best buddy Jim Steinmany guy'.
Monstro
16 Mar 2007, 03:26
Oh, oh!.... To be honest, I don't think the majority of people out there actually care if this Jimmy guy was involved or not.... In fact most poeple you ask would think the BOOH series was a solo effort by Meat Loaf.... There are better and more justifiable reasons to explain why the album has stopped selling.... Some guy who most people have never even heard of not being involved in the production of the album isn't one of them.... Before you reply by saying 'Oh, but little Jimmy is way, way more famous than his big baby brother Meaty because he has his name written at the bottom of both the, Bat 1 and Bat 2, albums in big, tiny, little letters and way, way more people have heard of him because.... because they read the big massive little book that you get with the Cd thingy'.... Just think, who actually gets the praise for these kind of things.... Was it the producer of the 'Da Vinci code' that got all the fame because he was the brains behind the distribution of the book and employs the bestest editors in the whole wide worldy world? And was it the producer of 'Thriller' that got all of the press and was invited to celebrety parties and award ceremonies or was it this little known guy who nobody has ever heard of called 'Michael Jackson'? The fact is.... Jim Steinman may be this awesome guy who wrote Bat 1 and 2 but the fact is, no matter how hard it is for you to comprehend, he is not used during 'most' (and yes I did say 'MOST!') of the promotion for the album because people are generally not interested in that side of things. Meat Loaf is the guy who the music company use to promote the album and it is Meat Loaf who sings on the album.... And that's all the little known public care about. I doubt very, very, very much that the lack of invlovement from Jim resulted in the lack of sales.... Also, Im pretty sure sales will pick up in the near future with the release of the next single.... And the majority of people will not be saying.... 'There's no way i'm buying that single because it's not written by my best buddy Jim Steinmany guy'.
Bet you're glad you got that off your chest
duke knooby
16 Mar 2007, 03:29
fair point, so why arent they buying it? lack of quality? not in fashion? tell us.. please. as u point out jim is very unimportant, so why did you waste a whole post talking about how unimportant he is??
Oh you gotta be kidding me here...:lmao:
duke knooby
16 Mar 2007, 03:47
i can only guess monsters loose is selling on its merits.. no jim as u said doesnt matter, all thats needed is a bat title and meat vocals... unfortunatley, a redone chsib with a bat title still isnt producing the goods, so whats it gonna take??? an album with power, drama, passion, emotion, humour, production, vocals, lyrics, grandeour.. the likes of which hasnt been seen since, well, last time meat and steinman collaborated???????
duke knooby
16 Mar 2007, 03:54
i can only guess monsters loose is selling on its merits.. no jim as u said doesnt matter, all thats needed is a bat title and meat vocals... unfortunatley, a redone chsib with a bat title still isnt producing the goods, so whats it gonna take??? an album with power, drama, passion, emotion, humour, production, vocals, lyrics, grandeour.. the likes of which hasnt been seen since, well, last time meat and steinman collaborated???????
now what the hell was that album called?? i know it was a marketing thing, yet somehow it worked, it was mainly steinman songs, covered by meat, with some new songs added...
Monstro
16 Mar 2007, 03:56
Jeez JOOnty, chill out m8, it's only an album, ain't life or death lol
Paul191
16 Mar 2007, 03:57
fair point, so why arent they buying it? lack of quality? not in fashion? tell us.. please. as u point out jim is very unimportant, so why did you waste a whole post talking about how unimportant he is??
It's people like you who really get on my nerves because you just don't read. In fact i'm not even going to formulate an arguement back.... Just scroll back up the page a little and try your very, very bestest to write an answer which actually makes sense and is.... Well, accurate.... Taking into account I 'DIDN'T' waste my precious time ranting about how unimportant the big guy is.
I don't know one single person who DOESN'T get on your nerves
duke knooby
16 Mar 2007, 04:00
thats the point though, its not just an album.. not just a bunch of songs, the real bat, and its marketing ploy successor (the fabulous bat 2) are events in my life.. they mean something... oh yeah chill.. go to bed u mean, sounds like a plan
duke knooby
16 Mar 2007, 04:00
who's the big guy?
Paul191
16 Mar 2007, 04:01
I don't know one single person who DOESN'T get on your nerves
And I don't know one single topic that you haven't butted your little nose in and acted as if your all in charge.
Paul191
16 Mar 2007, 04:02
who's the big guy?
Oh, just some random, unimportant dude called Jimmy Boy.
And I don't know one single topic that you haven't butted your little nose in and acted as if your all in charge.
Very very accurate...thank you...couldn't have said it better myself...:lmao:
Monstro
16 Mar 2007, 04:03
And they're events in my life as well, just that they don't rule it
duke knooby
16 Mar 2007, 04:05
ok, glad we got that sorted.
Paul191
16 Mar 2007, 04:06
Very very accurate...thank you...couldn't have said it better myself...:lmao:
:cheers:
Pudding
16 Mar 2007, 08:55
I haven't posted on here for a while, but this thread had me pissing my pants with laughter on so many levels :lmao:
Pud :twisted:
geordieloaf
16 Mar 2007, 09:24
Ok well i'm glade i waited to post a reply. It's great to hear that BOOH is still selling well. (I think that's what this thread was about)!
allrevvedup
16 Mar 2007, 14:41
I haven't posted on here for a while, but this thread had me pissing my pants with laughter on so many levels :lmao:
Pud :twisted:
I often wonder why we take all the stuff about sales so seriously in here...I mean Meat (be it cause of annoyance or touring) isn't exactly pushing us towards buying a single, which doesn't come out for another month.
The tour is a separate thing entirely and has always been. Meat will get healthy attendences at all of his shows, because he puts on a good show in good voice or not, even if there's no album to promote.
Bar buying 27 copies of each album, single and dvd that's ever been released no one can do anymore in here.
The album hasn't sold, maybe it will in the future. Is it looking like a bad move to not have waited for Jim Steinman? At the moment yes. Has Meat done as much as he can do without Steinman for this album? I think so, he got a good producer without as many quality songs as other Bat albums have had and possibly/probably had to release this by a deadline.
Not selling 40 million copies of Bat Out of Hell III and only selling around a million won't make Meat any less a performer, especially at the age he is at.
People associate Meat Loaf with Jim Steinman...it's unusual for a songwriter to be as famous as the singer, but there you go and I also think that Meat without Jim is the same as Jim without Meat - it doesn't work as well.
RadioMaster
16 Mar 2007, 17:39
I often wonder why we take all the stuff about sales so seriously in here...I mean Meat (be it cause of annoyance or touring) isn't exactly pushing us towards buying a single, which doesn't come out for another month.
The tour is a separate thing entirely and has always been. Meat will get healthy attendences at all of his shows, because he puts on a good show in good voice or not, even if there's no album to promote.
Bar buying 27 copies of each album, single and dvd that's ever been released no one can do anymore in here.
The album hasn't sold, maybe it will in the future. Is it looking like a bad move to not have waited for Jim Steinman? At the moment yes. Has Meat done as much as he can do without Steinman for this album? I think so, he got a good producer without as many quality songs as other Bat albums have had and possibly/probably had to release this by a deadline.
Not selling 40 million copies of Bat Out of Hell III and only selling around a million won't make Meat any less a performer, especially at the age he is at.
People associate Meat Loaf with Jim Steinman...it's unusual for a songwriter to be as famous as the singer, but there you go and I also think that Meat without Jim is the same as Jim without Meat - it doesn't work as well.
a)
you as fan might associate M/J or J/M, but is everyone out there who knows the music of one of them doing? I think not, many people out there never heard of Jim and he (sadly) not as popular as Meat.
(not speaking of the 'real' fans like us :)))
b)
Read something a few days back had the inspiration to this thought:
what would have happened, IF Meat had waited for Jim to produce Bat3?
It might had never happened or at least not the way it did now. Let's face it: Meat Loaf is getting older, and we know that Jimmy isnt really the fastest writer on the block, which gives us a superb quality of his songs, but lets us wait for them as long.
Lets say it'd had taken Jim another 3 years to finish all the songs on the album + about 1/2 year of recording.
Meat would be 63 with the release then. Do you really think that it had the same vocal quality as Bat3 has now, or worse, it even got released?
I, for myself, I'm happy with an album that is not outstanding, but still a good, if not very good (compared to the other stuff in stores) album.
c)
cant really complain about the selling numbers, as it is one of the most sold albums in 2006 here :))
allrevvedup
16 Mar 2007, 17:57
I understand all that RJ
I just think that there were people here hoping the clock would be turned back to 1977/78 and that Meat would be the surprise package again. Not happening this time.
It's an album and it's out. I don't think it'll be remembered with as much fondness as the other two Bat albums but then that's only my opinion
There will be a few reasons that Bat 3 hasn't sold well, and maybe Jim, not being involved could be one of those reasons, but that doesn't make it the main reason, as some on here do think. Great to hear Bat 1 is back and doing well. :D
loaferman61
16 Mar 2007, 18:57
The thing as I understand it (may be entirely off-base) is that Jim was attached to the project and thus the record company was promised Bat 3. For whatever reason Jim's slow schedule was not suitable for Meat as it was. Meat didn't want to work on the album for 3 years, he has a busy life plus an acting career to tend to and even working with Desmond he had a hectic time with filming one of his movies. The record company of course wanted something to call Bat 3 and pressured Meat into delivering something with that title which caused further unpleasantness, but when the deal was signed Jim was going to be on board and that was not an issue. We ended up with the album we have which the record company has promoted very poorly, generating no large amount of airplay to drive sales. I assume as a rock artist ages the majority of them experience lower sales anyway, so combined with no significant promotion the album has been remarkable to sell what it has. I am still betting the average rock music listener knows there's Bat 1 & 2 but has no idea a Bat 3 even exists.
allrevvedup
16 Mar 2007, 19:53
Yeah but there's two problems for the record company, once the hype of calling it Bat out of hell III and being the final act, the triology coming together etc They need single worthy songs to promote.
It's all coming back to me now got some half decent play (by today's standards) and then they(the record company and/or Meat) couldn't decide if they wanted Blind as a Bat or Cry Over Me as a single so that got delayed thereby ruining any momentum the album had.
So from a possible christmas release to a late february release to a now late April release, whatever hype the album was to have is slowly dying and fading to nothing.
When you have people's attention you don't just go fade into the background again, you try and keep their attention and build on the hard ground work that has already been done.
Whoever has delayed the 2nd single's release (Record Company/Meat/Meat's management) can not expect an album to flourish in the charts with zip in terms of promotion.
Why is BAT 1 selling again? Possibly because people watch VH1 classic or Biography and have maybe seen the classic albums programme on there and wanted to buy it.
That alone has given Bat 1 more promotion in the last few months then Bat III has had.
Blackkat13
16 Mar 2007, 20:53
Heck if you buy bat 3 at walmart you get ultiamte albums dvd with it
michael.c
17 Mar 2007, 16:03
sadly sales do matter as record companies sign and drop any artist on sales figures. and meatloaf is no different to this, the lack of 2nd single has not helped of course , however meats upcoming european dates and the eventuall 2nd or even 3rd single release should re ignite sales of bat 3 , ( and bat 1 ) again. but after those dates and singles have come and gone , the album will then sell very slow . again poor promotion and momentum , sadly nothing has been learned after the chsib promotion fiasco. bat 2 had quick singles of rock and roll dreams and objects in nice formats straight after anything for love released and meat was well into european tour by then.
Pudding
19 Mar 2007, 10:31
There will be a few reasons that Bat 3 hasn't sold well, and maybe Jim, not being involved could be one of those reasons, but that doesn't make it the main reason, as some on here do think. Great to hear Bat 1 is back and doing well. :D
Out of complete curiosity, what does make the main reason?
Pud :twisted:
I think we're all missing something here...
I agree that to a lot of people Jim not getting writing credit won't mean a thing BUT Meat singing Jim songs is what they are used to hearing.
By that, I mean Meat singing Jim style songs. We all know a Steinman song when we hear one and we all know a Meaty Steinsong when we hear one. The public might not know who writes the songs, but they know the sound... If that makes any sense.
They were well and truly duped with 'Id Lie For You (And Thats The Truth)'. The title reads like a proper Meat Loaf song and sounds like a proper (Steinman penned) Meat Loaf song.
You listen to some of the Bat 3 songs and they're clearly NOT what people are used to hearing and don't sound like a 'Meat Loaf song'.
That same sort of format is what people like to hear.
It's not caught word of mouth like the others have. Theres nothing there that makes random people tell other random people what this fantastic track is etc.
I think the last true Meaty song was A Kiss Is A Terrible Thing To Waste. That SOUNDS like a Meaty song.
Only When I Fell had the Meaty factor, thats what made me think they should have waited for Steinman.
Not sure if any of that has come across right, but not too bothered :P
Anyway, this week...
BOOH is up on sales by 3.6%
191 - Last Week
193 - This Week
BAT OUT OF HELL
MEAT LOAF
923 - Total sales last week
3.6 Sales percentage
EPIC LABEL
COLUMBIA GROUP
SONY BMG MUSIC
92 - Weeks in the top whatever number chart
878 - CD Sales
45 - Digital Sales
504,871 - Total Sales (This is the Re-Vamped Version and NOT the standard or limited formats)
Pudding
19 Mar 2007, 13:18
I think the last true Meaty song was A Kiss Is A Terrible Thing To Waste. That SOUNDS like a Meaty song.
It is a great song, even if the music is by Andrew Lloyd Webber ;)
Pud :twisted:
Exactly!
It SOUNDS like a Meaty song. Its in the style of a Steinsong, sounds like a Steinson and thats what makes it sound like a Meaty song.
Thats the point I was making.
You could have stuck that on Bat 3 and it would fit.
That would have done well if the single hadn't been pulled.
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