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ray-loaf
22 Oct 2006, 12:59
just heard Meat on locol radio. he said theres gona be a box set with all 3 Bat, plus rehearsal recordings and material from Jim and Desmond. didnt say when its released tho
MeatGrl1
22 Oct 2006, 13:03
Whoo! Thanks for this head's up!
Will definatly get this when it hits the shops:))!!
:heart:
Devil's Son
22 Oct 2006, 13:11
oh, sounds very interesting !!!
lorenzoduke
22 Oct 2006, 13:38
Sounds good to me. I'd absolutely love to hear the piano/vocal only versions of the first Bat songs.
Renegade Angel
22 Oct 2006, 13:42
This is great news, wonder if there will be any old live material?
I'd love to hear some great live versions from the lost boys tour.
Bohemian
22 Oct 2006, 13:46
Cooooooolio.
Woohoooo Yippie!!:bunny: :cheer: This sounds great
chrissylf22
22 Oct 2006, 14:05
Sounds good
RadioMaster
22 Oct 2006, 14:05
didnt meat AND jim mentioin that there´ll be some new material on it too.......?
But I think with Bat3 now we can definitley wait another 3/4 years for it!:))
AndrewG
22 Oct 2006, 14:11
yup a few more songs and I read somewhere we may see the original 27 minute version of Paradise.
RadioMaster
22 Oct 2006, 14:16
yup a few more songs and I read somewhere we may see the original 27 minute version of Paradise.
:)):up::yay:
Meat mentions at the Leute Heute interview (somewhere on the site downloadable) that he sees the best point of his career still coming and even talks about the possibility of a new album :))
Great times!
Juan Llanos
22 Oct 2006, 15:49
Money... money...
Bat 3, reissue of Bat 2, box set.... money, money, money... I need money.
And there's not news about a DVD with ALL Meat's video, and I say ALL, even for Bad Attitude and The Very Best... with ALL the videos... this is what we need.
ashleysings
22 Oct 2006, 16:02
That Is Great:mrgreen: can't wait
DazLoaf01
22 Oct 2006, 16:11
Thanks for this. Did anyone record the interview so we can all hear?
Great news. Always wondered if Meat would ever release a box set. With all of his material I am surprised it was never done before now. :D
meatloaf-unofficial
22 Oct 2006, 18:33
great news - can we download this interview.
DazLoaf01
22 Oct 2006, 18:53
So do you think this box set would just cover the sessions for the Bat albums only? I would think a whole career spanning one would be more ideal!
RadioMaster
22 Oct 2006, 18:56
how much cd´s would that be? 23?:wtf:
I think a best of bat + bonusses is a good idea.
SuperLoafMan
22 Oct 2006, 20:12
Fantastic, probably next year when the BAT legacy is 30.
IMO a box with just bat songs would be fin.
Very cool :))
Thanks !
Vicki
great news - can we download this interview.
Where :??:
Vicki
The Flying Mouse
22 Oct 2006, 20:43
just heard Meat on locol radio. he said theres gona be a box set with all 3 Bat, plus rehearsal recordings and material from Jim and Desmond. didnt say when its released tho
:twisted: Thanks for the heads up Ray, and welcome to mlukfc :up:
yup a few more songs and I read somewhere we may see the original 27 minute version of Paradise.
Oh yes :drool:
Well, certainly can't wait for that one...
RadioMaster
22 Oct 2006, 21:37
Well, certainly can't wait for that one...
yep! :cheer:
ray-loaf
22 Oct 2006, 22:38
the interview was on lincs fm 102.2. not checked their website to see if its downloadable yet. Meat n Marion where on for 30 mins. played iacbtmn, yttwroomm and iwdafl. the guy asked Meat about Bat 4. Meat said that in 13 years time, he wants to be fishing or sat on his porch shooting racoons from the trees.
the guy asked Meat about Bat 4. Meat said that in 13 years time, he wants to be fishing or sat on his porch shooting racoons from the trees.
:lmao:
evil nickname
23 Oct 2006, 00:26
Why does everybody always tend to forget that "you can't demo Bat Out Of Hell"?
So unless that statement isn't exactly true (which it can't be, because Meat wouldn't lie, now would he?), one must assume that there are no demos, and that that 27 minute version of Paradise doesn't exist either.
Bohemian
23 Oct 2006, 00:36
Why does everybody always tend to forget that "you can't demo Bat Out Of Hell"?
So unless that statement isn't exactly true (which it can't be, because Meat wouldn't lie, now would he?), one must assume that there are no demos, and that that 27 minute version of Paradise doesn't exist either.
Yeah I've never for one second thought that the "27 minute version of Paradise" actually exists.
And if it did it would be terrible. 27 minutes of WHAT exactly??
I'm just glad Meat's talking about this project again to keep my hopes up for new Jim / Meat material. I was beginning to think it was looking like it wouldn't actually be happening.
Moonlight shadow
23 Oct 2006, 00:54
This things sounds very well, anyway...
I want more! mooooore!!!:-P
Monstro
23 Oct 2006, 03:02
I would think that this would just be a Meat & Jim box set covering all three albums and hopefully the odds and sods on the others but I totally agree that sooner or later there needs to be a complete set of all demos from all the albums.
A complete set would save us scouring all over the place trying to find them lol
Blackkat13
23 Oct 2006, 04:50
And there's not news about a DVD with ALL Meat's video, and I say ALL, even for Bad Attitude and The Very Best... with ALL the videos... this is what we need.
I Agree They Should release a DVD with all the videos on it
If Meat wants to make another record, all the effing power to him. Lets enjoy Bat 3, hopefully a live dvd, and possibility of a boxset for now =D That's all I can. Wicked, I'm glad Meat Is feeling great! Just happens, when you think good thoughts, you feel good thoughts =D
batcity
23 Oct 2006, 17:04
27 min version of Paradise may exist, before Bat Out Of Hell came out they made the song longer. When Todd came on board for the recording of Bat 1 and heard it, he shortened the song to 8 min something... cause the longer version was more like a musical than a rock song
RadioMaster
23 Oct 2006, 17:28
all in all there must be a version (of every booh song) which Todd could cut, so there MUST be the 27min paradise.
I believe the you-can-demo-a-booh-song statement was meant that you cant take a short bit to play it to someone so he understands the whole song. You have to listen to the whole song or nothing, a 2 or 3 minute demo doesnt work.
So lets say that wont be the demos, lets say it will be the pre-todding-versions;)
ray-loaf
23 Oct 2006, 19:00
the interview can be heard here, www.lincsfm.co.uk
click on the 'weekly podcast'. can listen online. its about 3/4 towards the end, just move the bar along to skip the other drivel, lol
thanks for the welcome by the way. oh yes, aint the album great?
M.Bison
23 Oct 2006, 20:00
I would love to see a DVD of all the videos, practically all we see on TV nowadays is Anything For Love and more recently All Coming Back To Me Now. I hope that this box set features some special preproduction songs like the talked about 27 minute version of Paradise and possibly some songs that were slated to be on the albums that never made the final cut.
RadioMaster
23 Oct 2006, 20:08
all videos.......many times discussed but because of the many many different labels hardly possible :(
although someting like a Hits out of hell 2 would be cool
Yeh A Hits Outta Hell Part 2 8)
Excluding any videos appeared in The early 90s one.
Why does everybody always tend to forget that "you can't demo Bat Out Of Hell"?
So unless that statement isn't exactly true (which it can't be, because Meat wouldn't lie, now would he?), one must assume that there are no demos, and that that 27 minute version of Paradise doesn't exist either.
But didn't Meat say that before Todd produced Bat Out Of Hell they had recorded a 27 minute version of Paradise, which was the original and then Todd went along and cut bits out of it to bring it down to a more respectable size. :? I might have got a little confused on parts though:?
Bohemian
24 Oct 2006, 08:14
But didn't Meat say that before Todd produced Bat Out Of Hell they had recorded a 27 minute version of Paradise, which was the original and then Todd went along and cut bits out of it to bring it down to a more respectable size. :?
Yeah, probably.
He also said that Bat was written for the movie Psycho, that IACBTMN was always meant to be a duet and be on bat 3 and was only given to Celine via a "smart aleck" publisher, despite jim clearly taking legal action against Meat to stop him from releasing it in 95 in order for celine to do so, that he and Desmond translated the lyrics of Seize the night from german despite Jim having originally written them in English and them being the ones they used. ETC.
A good story told to entertain and move stock is just that.
all in all there must be a version (of every booh song) which Todd could cut, so there MUST be the 27min paradise.
HAHAHA. I love your logic. Well obviously it was longer than 8 minutes before Todd arranged it, so it MUST have been 27 minutes!!
At any rate, enough of that. we all agree that some sort of box set with cool stuff is no bad thing :).
RadioMaster
24 Oct 2006, 12:14
HAHAHA. I love your logic. Well obviously it was longer than 8 minutes before Todd arranged it, so it MUST have been 27 minutes!!
At any rate, enough of that. we all agree that some sort of box set with cool stuff is no bad thing :).
If you wanna take it that way, would you be happy if I say that there must have been a pre-toddig-version, no matter of length, which is different to the version we know?
btw, I dont see any cause why Meat should tell the 27 min paradise story if it wasnt true, Jim is known for writing songs of a unbelievable length, and differently to the other "stories", this is a main fact of the producing process of Bat out of Hell, if there wasnt such a 27min version then there would have been no reason for labels to dont publish the album, but THESE SONG LENGTHS are one very important cause of that.
Sure, it can be 15 min or 23 or even 34, but that doesnt change the facts!!
DazLoaf01
24 Oct 2006, 14:23
the interview can be heard here, www.lincsfm.co.uk
click on the 'weekly podcast'. can listen online. its about 3/4 towards the end, just move the bar along to skip the other drivel, lol
thanks for the welcome by the way. oh yes, aint the album great?
Well found, thank you. Very interesting about the boxset!
evil nickname
24 Oct 2006, 14:42
I dont see any cause why Meat should tell the 27 min paradise story if it wasnt true
Yeah, 'cause everything Meat tells is true. It's a fact.
And if Meat only tells the "27 minute paradise" story because it's true, there should be no reason to doubt the "you can't demo Bat out of Hell" story, right?
Anyway, saying that Paradise was 27 minutes before it was recorded, does not necessarily mean that there is a recording of that earlier version.
I mean, if there was a demo, why would they perform live for every record executive?
RadioMaster
24 Oct 2006, 15:39
Yeah, 'cause everything Meat tells is true. It's a fact.
I did not say that.
And if Meat only tells the "27 minute paradise" story because it's true, there should be no reason to doubt the "you can't demo Bat out of Hell" story, right?
sarcasm?:wtf:
Anyway, saying that Paradise was 27 minutes before it was recorded, does not necessarily mean that there is a recording of that earlier version.
I mean, if there was a demo, why would they perform live for every record executive?
There has to be such a version cause they needed material which Todd could cut down to what it is now.
Or do you think they sang it live to Todd and Todd told them how to sing it differently and they did?:wtf:
And THIS VERSION doesnt necessarily have to be a demo as they would call it. THEIR demo would be a shortened version of the song which includes everthing that makes to what it is, and THAT ISNT possible cause the structure is too complicated and there isnt one important hook that caracterizes the song.
PS: If you read my previous post again, you´ll see that I mentioned REASONS why this story should be true! I´m too lazy to post the whole stuff again.
I´m definitely not one of these people who think everything that Meat Loaf says must be true because he´s Meat Loaf.
Read it again and you´ll see that.
evil nickname
24 Oct 2006, 16:26
sarcasm?
You think?
PS: If you read my previous post again, you´ll see that I mentioned REASONS why this story should be true!
I've seen those, but they didn't convinced me.
Bohemian
25 Oct 2006, 03:04
There has to be such a version cause they needed material which Todd could cut down to what it is now.
Or do you think they sang it live to Todd and Todd told them how to sing it differently and they did?:wtf:
The recordings from Bat as you and I and the rest of the world know them are not Todd's edits of something that existed on tape prior. They are Todd's sonic creations performed by Todd and Todd's band and a swag of the E Street band as well under the compositional direction of Steinman.
They probably DID sing it live to Todd, yes, and they probably also passed him a very bad quality live to tape demo for reference.
Or perhaps Todd simply recorded the live demo they performed for him. Who knows. Point is, none of this "evidence" bares any relation on the "length" of Paradise as it was conceived before it existed in a recorded state, not least of all becaue as it wasn't recorded it HAD no exact length. It didn't exist on record and hadn't been arranged and performed in a stage show.
None of your beautiful reasons as to why the story must be true make any sense. You are simply saying that the songs MUST have been longer before they were recorded for bat and therefore paradise was 27 minutes. That's absolute nonsence.
Oh, by the way, have you heard Bat out of Hell as it was performed in Neverland? It's actually shorter.
samurai7
25 Oct 2006, 04:21
Exactly.
the interview can be heard here, www.lincsfm.co.uk
click on the 'weekly podcast'. can listen online. its about 3/4 towards the end, just move the bar along to skip the other drivel, lol
thanks for the welcome by the way. oh yes, aint the album great?
Excellent !! Thank you very much :))
Vicki
RadioMaster
25 Oct 2006, 10:02
I´ll stay of this arguement as it takes us waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off topic now, if you want we can continue it in PM, but the box set thread is really not the place for it.
DazLoaf01
30 Oct 2006, 17:45
In the most recent radio interview as downloadable on thenakedwire, Meat mentions the boxset again, saying that there are about 4-5 original demos for Bat1 that will feature, and that there are to be around 5 new songs too - 2 of which he already knows he's going to record. He also wants guitarist Steve Luthaker on the new tracks.
RadioMaster
30 Oct 2006, 17:57
5 new songs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that´s nearly as much as on booh!!
Meat + Jim
+ demos!
A DREAM COMES TRUE!!!
DazLoaf01
30 Oct 2006, 18:00
5 new songs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that´s nearly as much as on booh!!
Meat + Jim
+ demos!
A DREAM COMES TRUE!!!
Indeed, should be fantastic. I just hope Jim is involved with the new songs this time though.
RadioMaster
30 Oct 2006, 18:14
will that be a demos+booh+bat2+bat3+new songs box set or just a demos+new songs box, which I´d prefer
Lord Kagan
30 Oct 2006, 18:47
Excellent news :D
DazLoaf01
30 Oct 2006, 20:08
will that be a demos+booh+bat2+bat3+new songs box set or just a demos+new songs box, which I´d prefer
On the radio show, the DJ asked if the boxset would contain "all of them" to which Meat replied "yeah".... but I dunno, there are 2/3 record companies who have all got to agree on putting out one product lol. I'd rather have the boxset just with the unreleaased material, so it becomes a "companion" piece to the albums.
RadioMaster
30 Oct 2006, 20:48
yep my thoughts too
On the radio show, the DJ asked if the boxset would contain "all of them" to which Meat replied "yeah".... but I dunno, there are 2/3 record companies who have all got to agree on putting out one product lol. I'd rather have the boxset just with the unreleaased material, so it becomes a "companion" piece to the albums.
Dont' see why the other record companies should be against a set-box. IMO you can make hell of money with set-boxes (->Queen best of box).
RadioMaster
01 Nov 2006, 15:21
Dont' see why the other record companies should be against a set-box. IMO you can make hell of money with set-boxes (->Queen best of box).
I´m not to keen about the thing with the Queen box set, but appearantly there must have been problems too, cause afaik it was never released in Germany, I had to buy it from the UK.
Think of the problems with Best of and the BBIS songs....it´s the same here..
I´m not to keen about the thing with the Queen box set, but appearantly there must have been problems too, cause afaik it was never released in Germany, I had to buy it from the UK.
Think of the problems with Best of and the BBIS songs....it´s the same here..
What?:shock: Never released in Germany? Here it will be released more or less all 2 years!
RadioMaster
01 Nov 2006, 17:44
if we´re talking about the same thing (Best of I-III in a silver case) then not AFAIK, I had to order it from amazon.co.uk.
Although I´m not sure, maybe they just didnt sell it on amazon.de and the shops where I was looking.
if we´re talking about the same thing (Best of I-III in a silver case) then not AFAIK, I had to order it from amazon.co.uk.
Although I´m not sure, maybe they just didnt sell it on amazon.de and the shops where I was looking.
OMG go in "real" shops;)
DazLoaf01
01 Nov 2006, 22:29
Dont' see why the other record companies should be against a set-box. IMO you can make hell of money with set-boxes (->Queen best of box).
Queen own their whole catalogue, Meat alas doesn't as far as I know. Hense why there are many many ML unortharised compilation albums.
Bohemian
02 Nov 2006, 07:45
In the most recent radio interview as downloadable on thenakedwire, Meat mentions the boxset again, saying that there are about 4-5 original demos for Bat1 that will feature, and that there are to be around 5 new songs too - 2 of which he already knows he's going to record. He also wants guitarist Steve Luthaker on the new tracks.
Sweet, I want Steve Lukather playing on the new songs as well. We'll be getting some more than decent guitar solos on this latest batch of stuff with Lukather on board...
...mind you I'm not a big Toto fan. But play he certainly can.
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