Meat Loaf is a "team player", is Steinman one too?

[TravisWRedfish]

Meat Loaf has always been about "the experience". By this I mean Jim Steinman writes the lyrics and music, while Meat Loaf sings the lead, his background singers sing background, and the musicians play the music. They are and have always been a "team". However, looking at past interviews with Meat and the gang, Jim tends to speak about their style of music in the singular. Example (from the "Classic Albums" DVD):

Clip taken from an interview in the 70s

"Interviewer (To Meat): How do you describe your style of music?

Meat: I'll let Jimmy describe our style of music.

Jim: How do I describe my style of music?"


With all due respects to Jim, shouldn't it be "our" instead of "my"? Meat Loaf is a complete experience, without Meat, Karla - Patti, Todd Rundgren and everyone else involved with making the Meat Loaf experience what history has turned it into, Jim may never have made a name for himself. By the same token Meat has to be grateful for Jim's lyrics as being part of the reason for his success. The bottom line is that like Laurel & Hardy, Abbott & Costello, Lewis & Martin and all the others, without 1, there might never have been the other. So please Jim, in the future, please think of "your" music as "our" music. After all, you didn't deliver the final product to the public all by yourself. Others helped a tiny bit too, no?

[MeatGrl1]

Meat Loaf has always been about "the experience". By this I mean Jim Steinman writes the lyrics and music, while Meat Loaf sings the lead, his background singers sing background, and the musicians play the music. They are and have always been a "team". However, looking at past interviews with Meat and the gang, Jim tends to speak about their style of music in the singular. Example (from the "Classic Albums" DVD):

Clip taken from an interview in the 70s

"Interviewer (To Meat): How do you describe your style of music?

Meat: I'll let Jimmy describe our style of music.

Jim: How do I describe my style of music?"


With all due respects to Jim, shouldn't it be "our" instead of "my"? Meat Loaf is a complete experience, without Meat, Karla - Patti, Todd Rundgren and everyone else involved with making the Meat Loaf experience what history has turned it into, Jim may never have made a name for himself. By the same token Meat has to be grateful for Jim's lyrics as being part of the reason for his success. The bottom line is that like Laurel & Hardy, Abbott & Costello, Lewis & Martin and all the others, without 1, there might never have been the other. So please Jim, in the future, please think of "your" music as "our" music. After all, you didn't deliver the final product to the public all by yourself. Others helped a tiny bit too, no?


LMAO! Yes I noticed that but Meat was quick on the ball...

"Good Jimmy! Get in there!"

I think Meat also felt it an unfair statement or he would not have pounced on him like that!

[wenners]

What a complete load of tosh.

To quote an interview from 28 years ago, boy you a really searching hard for something negative to say. I take it to say this you just watched this on tv?

first of all lets address what you have said "how do i describe my style of music"?

this might be hard for you to understand so ill take it slowly but if i am being a little condescending it is because i am trying to be.

who wrote the lyrics? MMM jim
who composed the music oh that would be jim
Who wrote other songs of a similar style before for example "more than you deserve" oh that would be jim as well.

so does that constitute that it could be classed as jim style of music?

Would Jim have written these song if Meat wasn't around? quite possible id say, would Meat have been a star in his own right quite possible i say

Would they both be as big as they are right now probably not?

There have been many great composers over the years
Bach, Mozart, Beethovan and of course Wagner to name a few. Who's style of music do the orchestra play theirs or the composers? What the orchestra does is put their own slant on composers work

im not taking anything away from meat loaf here, what he did was is buy into Steinman visionary ways and has taken these songs and made them into what they are today he has developed and nurtured them and turned them into the classics they are today. He is a true performer, entertainer and an absolute megastar.

As for a team, a coach writes the plays gives them to the quarter back who then runs the plays. they can be the greatest plays in the world but unless the quarterback delivers they are worthless. to win the quarterback has to use he's team because alone he will lose, if he wins who is the hero? the quarterback. But win lose or draw no matter what happens the plays are still the coaches and it is his style the quarterback play.

[Paul191]

What a complete load of tosh.

To quote an interview from 28 years ago, boy you a really searching hard for something negative to say. I take it to say this you just watched this on tv?

first of all lets address what you have said "how do i describe my style of music"?

this might be hard for you to understand so ill take it slowly but if i am being a little condescending it is because i am trying to be.

who wrote the lyrics? MMM jim
who composed the music oh that would be jim
Who wrote other songs of a similar style before for example "more than you deserve" oh that would be jim as well.

so does that constitute that it could be classed as jim style of music?

Would Jim have written these song if Meat wasn't around? quite possible id say, would Meat have been a star in his own right quite possible i say

Would they both be as big as they are right now probably not?

There have been many great composers over the years
Bach, Mozart, Beethovan and of course Wagner to name a few. Who's style of music do the orchestra play theirs or the composers? What the orchestra does is put their own slant on composers work

im not taking anything away from meat loaf here, what he did was is buy into Steinman visionary ways and has taken these songs and made them into what they are today he has developed and nurtured them and turned them into the classics they are today. He is a true performer, entertainer and an absolute megastar.

As for a team, a coach writes the plays gives them to the quarter back who then runs the plays. they can be the greatest plays in the world but unless the quarterback delivers they are worthless. to win the quarterback has to use he's team because alone he will lose, if he wins who is the hero? the quarterback. But win lose or draw no matter what happens the plays are still the coaches and it is his style the quarterback play.

Alright mate, chill out! It was just his opinion and we all respect each others opinions on this forum. Just for the record I agree with him...... now please don't start ranting and raving at me just because I agree him.......;)

[wenners]

why would i rant at you? you have just agreed with someone's opinion not wrote something i felt was derogatory

[Diane]

OK enough! It's obvious where this is all leading so sadly yet again another thread is locked.

Diane