122. Stand In The Storm

[White of High]

This is the START OUT OF HELL & ARRIVE TO HEAVEN topic.
Let's Go to Rock 'n' Roll!!!!!!!

Stand In The Storm (6)

I don't call rap as music but Stand In The Storm is not bad. I like the 80ies guitar feeling intro. Meat is not bad and guest stars either. The rap part is okay, Lil John finishes at beat unlike Chuck D in Mad Mad World (he was out of rhythm). I still don't understand why rap has a place on a Meat album but it's so much better than Mad Mad World.

Lyrics is nothing to me, as a song... a little bit better than average, perhaps strange.

My score: 6

[CarylB]

I loved Stand in the Storm when it was first released as a single. The way the different musical styles are blended together is outstanding, and the message in the lyrics, which then reflected the experience of Team Backbone, have a perfect fit with what HIAH is about. I love the concept of determination, standing up and fighting for what you think is right, and doing it with others in collaboration. Lil John's rap is integrated beautifully.

I cannot agree that rap isn't music. It comes from a different culture, and generally does not appeal to my taste, so much of it seeming so angry and defiant without any hope or beauty that I can see .. but that probably speaks of my background and culture, very different to that which gave birth to rap, and my ignorance of the genre and my limitations. In SITS again I find a rap that doesn't seem deviod of music, and isn't simply angry and without hope.

The track production provides a great musical ground to a strong message that we can be determined in standing up and fighting for what we believe in without be distracted by whatever crap is going down aaround us. The insistent rhythms in rap do convey anger and defiance, and imo HIAH needs some of this, and Meat has a sure sense of where it fits and enriches the album. I like the newer version even more .. the lift in key brings Meat's voice through even better than on the original. Great music, great lyrics, impeccable production and strong vocals from Meat .. so because I enjoy every part of it, would never skip it, and it opened the door and gave me an insight into a musical genre I had always dismissed from a position of ignorance ..

10

[allrevvedup]

I much preferred the Australian release version to the original one I'd heard during CA.

It's one of the better tracks on the album so it gets a 7

[RSG]

Real driven song. I remember being so happy the day I first heard it, sounds completely natural to me :)

off topic, I reccomend K-Os (Canada) for a broader/positive Hip Hop music listening experience. I bought all his records, I say for first time listeners Joyful Rebellion be a good start follow by Atlantis Hymns of Disco.

[glamourgirl]

I'm not sure how I would rate the album version because I don't listen to this song quite as much as the other songs. I think some songs work better as live performances.
I would give the live performance of SITS a 10. Meat and Patti sounded amazing and the Lil Jon video was great too. I was blown away by the live version (and that was just from watching a YT video). I'm really looking forward to seeing this one on tour.

[Wario]

JR version: 8/10
Trace Adkins version: 10/10

Fantastic rocker...

[JennaG]

There are elements I like to both versions of this song.

On a whole, my favourite version would be the International version as I just prefer the sound of it and I think Meat also sounds more comfortable with the song. However I don't like the Trace Adkins part. I'm not a fan of his voice and prefer that verse sang by John Rich as it was on the single release and the Australian release.

[Meat Loaf_fan]

Lyrics is nothing to me
:shock:

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Anyway - I like Trace Adkins version. Why? Maybe because his voice is more rockier than John Rich. But this is country part! Yes, but the song is rock so he (TA) fits better into the concept.

My score : 9/10 :up:

[BostonAngel]

I loved this song from the first time i heard it. Love both the John Rich and Trace Adkins versions. It always gets me pumped up and motivated. 10 from me

[Evil One]

John Rich version: 5
Trace Adkins version: 2

[PanicLord]

5 - never quite gets going for me, and I'm sorry but I just can't stand the rap part, even though I liked it on Mad Mad World - on that song, the madness of including rap in the middle of the bonkersness works brilliantly, but I have to skip it every time here.

[ninja]

love this song so much, because it is so powerful and energetic. love the outstanding intro and can't get enough of the outro, especially the last sentence "storm's coming" - so fantastic!!! - and meat's voice is stunning!!! :D:D:D

[Adje]

I never hide the fact that I really dislike this song. I just can't stand to hear it. I know loads of you disagree but this is my opinion of course ;)

No matter how hard I try, I can't give this (any version) more then a 2

[Sarge]

I never hide the fact that I really dislike this song. I just can't stand to hear it.

Same here. The only thing that I like are Meat Loaf's vocals (Australian release; I don't know what the UK/US version sounds like) but that's not enough to make me appreciate the song. There are too many things that deter me from listening to it again. One of the Meat Loaf recordings that I avoid.

[Elijah's way]

I HATE this song!!! It is a complete mess, what was Meat and company thinking?!? 0/10 for both versions

[Mr. Happy]

I really, really dislike the Trace Adkins version. I'm sort of...meh, it's ok...towards Lil John's bit in general. I don't mind the rest of the song on the Australian release.

So...I guess a 6 fits :D

[Cherry.Loaf]

I get the two singers confused so I'll just say:

Aus:8/10

UK/US/Rest of world: 4/10

[CarylB]

what was Meat and company thinking?!?

Only they can say with 100% accuracy .. but as you've asked the question here and Meat doesn't seem likely to reply these days, it's not posted on Paul's thread, and may not be intended as a rhetorical comment, I'll give it a go.

I'd say that when the song was first recorded they may well have thought it a good collaborative way of raising money for their charities, encapsulated their experiences on CA and blended their different musical styles well. As to including it on the album, he may have been thinking it had a great fit with the theme of the album, that many of us would like it (as seems to be the case), and there may be the possibility it also added a little to TPT's coffers?

:-)

Caryl

[Dave]

I wish I could find myself to be close minded enough to make the blanket statement that I simply do not like an entire genre of any form of art. I simply cannot do it. My intellect and thirst for knowledge always has me on the prowl for new and refreshing sounds for my auditory palate to savor. I have found amazing gems in rock, country, rap, and even in the world of electronica and pretty much everything in between - and yes...there is a lot of junk out there too all across the board and across the musical genre universe.

There are two rap segments on this album, which serve to continue the message of the music. Why keep a narrow focus on one actor to convey the importance of the content of this album when you can blossom this into an ensemble piece to more fully explore the themes of this piece. To make a comment like "I don't like the rap bits" is about as ignorant as saying "I like that photograph except the mountain in the background" the mountain and the rap are both parts of the piece.

I will just #SMH at individuals who are close minded in regard to artistic appreciation. To say your auditory palate does not appreciate the flavors of the music is one thing, but to say it should not be there...that is a horse of a different color.

[Vickip]

I wish I could find myself to be close minded enough to make the blanket statement that I simply do not like an entire genre of any form of art. I simply cannot do it. My intellect and thirst for knowledge always has me on the prowl for new and refreshing sounds for my auditory palate to savor. I have found amazing gems in rock, country, rap, and even in the world of electronica and pretty much everything in between - and yes...there is a lot of junk out there too all across the board and across the musical genre universe.

There are two rap segments on this album, which serve to continue the message of the music. Why keep a narrow focus on one actor to convey the importance of the content of this album when you can blossom this into an ensemble piece to more fully explore the themes of this piece. To make a comment like "I don't like the rap bits" is about as ignorant as saying "I like that photograph except the mountain in the background" the mountain and the rap are both parts of the piece.

I will just #SMH at individuals who are close minded in regard to artistic appreciation. To say your auditory palate does not appreciate the flavors of the music is one thing, but to say it should not be there...that is a horse of a different color.

:up:

[Adje]

To make a comment like "I don't like the rap bits" is about as ignorant as saying "I like that photograph except the mountain in the background" the mountain and the rap are both parts of the piece.

Good post except for this part.
It's not ignorant at all (That's why photoshop is so poulair on pictures, for example)

A picture could look better with a different background. The picture can be beautiful, great moment of catching a face... but damn that garbage truck in the back destroys the mood a bit. Let's remove the garbage truck and put in a fitting background and voila the picture is suddenly close to perfect!

Same goes for the music. A song can have a part that ruins the rest of the song for a person. In this song it could be the rap bit. So for some people this song could be great without that rap bit. An edited version could have scored better. But instead they have a song they are really getting into and then BAM suddenly you get a part or style that gets you out of the enjoying mood you were getting into. Damn, great song but that part really sucks.

That said, even without the rap part this song wouldn't have done much for me. But I can see people feeling that way :cool:

[Dave]

A picture could look better with a different background. The picture can be beautiful, great moment of catching a face... but damn that garbage truck in the back destroys the mood a bit. Let's remove the garbage truck and put in a fitting background and voila the picture is suddenly close to perfect!

....and you have changed the story the photo is telling. The rap bits are part f the original photo, along with the garbage truck in the background. Let's "clean up" the song by removing the rap or clean up the photo by removing the garbage truck - you have changed the story of the art.

That being said, I am a HUGE fan of digital manipulation. I love the fact anyone with an iPhone can snap an HD photograph and manipulate it into something that looks extremely impressive with apps like Instagram. I am jealous of this technology - used to spend hours working with desktop applications and never got the amazing looks you can get with a single tap in Instagram. I manipulate photos like it is my job, but know I am changing the story when I do so.

There is an anecdote that fits this conversation...

Everyone looks fabulous until their free trial of Photoshop runs out....

[Adje]

Let's "clean up" the song by removing the rap or clean up the photo by removing the garbage truck - you have changed the story of the art.

True, absolutely agree with you there.

I was merely talking on how it looks/sounds in the eye of the beholder. And sometimes 'changing the art' is an improvement for that beholder. I never said it represents the view of the artist anymore. That's a complete different story ;)

All I wanted to point out is that changing or removing a part for your own enjoyment does not mean someone is being ignorant :cool:

[Wario]

You can dislike listening to a genre of music. You can't hate its existence.

If you dont liek the rap part of a song it cant totally demolish the song for you.

No song deserves a "0/10" especially a Meat Loaf one. The fact Meat and Paul took the time to record and mix the suckeraand teh time lil Jon took to make the rap sound the way it does automatically constitutes a 2/10.

Its their story not ours. You dont buy a book you really like and rip out a chapter you hate. you suffer trhough teh chapter yo uhate to get a good understanding of the story you love.

[olblueeyes]

John Rich version - 6/10
Trace Adkins version - 8/10
If Patti had recorded it with Meat - 9 (maybe 10)

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[CarylB]

All I wanted to point out is that changing or removing a part for your own enjoyment does not mean someone is being ignorant :cool:

As I think I am the person who introduced the word "ignorance" in this thread I will point out I used it in it's pure form .. ie "without knowledge", and not to imply "wilfully stupid" as it is so often used by people. A position of ignorance is not a "bad" place to be. We're born that way, and we continue to have ignorance about different things most of our lives .. the trick is to explore and gain knowledge and experience, and keep eliminating an area of ignorance and moving on to the next one. It's actually the best position from which to learn if you are prepared to explore and experience without prejudice .. (read Reg Revans' work on Action Learning ;) ) Keeps you learning, keeps you developing, keeps you young .. and imo is part of what keeps Meat so years-defyingly young in heart, mind and spirit ;)

I admitted to having made a judgement on rap from a position of ignorance .. ie knowing little about the genre and judging it on what I had heard crashing out of open windows of houses and cars. Meat has shown me that it is a genre that can be presented to me in a way I can appreciate it. I may not like all rap .. but I don't like all rock'n'roll either, nor all classical music. As David has said, we can usually find something to appreciate in all genres if we are open minded and find something that we can enjoy.

As Warrio said:
Its their story not ours. You dont buy a book you really like and rip out a chapter you hate. you suffer though the chapter you hate to get a good understanding of the story you love.

In general terms I'd go along with that, save to say I tend to work through a chapter that I find is expressed in a way I don't like, and often find that in the context of the story I am enjoying it begins to make sense ;) Such was he case with SITS and MMW .. and I'm very glad I did, because it has given me something, and I have learned that there can be a place for rap for me, and it can enhance something over all.

Caryl

[Kathy]

9

see "All of Me" for explanation

[chairboys]

We're born that way, and we continue to have ignorance about different things most of our lives .. the trick is to explore and gain knowledge and experience, and keep eliminating an area of ignorance and moving on to the next one.

I've eliminated all areas, thanks. :-)

[CarylB]

I've eliminated all areas, thanks. :-)

You are left with nothing to learn about anything? Time to join the heavenly chorus! ;)

[ninja]

I've eliminated all areas, thanks. :-)

no one can do that ...

[PanicLord]

I wish I could find myself to be close minded enough to make the blanket statement that I simply do not like an entire genre of any form of art. I simply cannot do it. My intellect and thirst for knowledge always has me on the prowl for new and refreshing sounds for my auditory palate to savor. I have found amazing gems in rock, country, rap, and even in the world of electronica and pretty much everything in between - and yes...there is a lot of junk out there too all across the board and across the musical genre universe.

Drum N Bass, House, Garage, Urban, RNB, Acid, Daniel O Donnell - all genres I have yet to find anything I like in, so right now I would say I don't like those forms of music. However, I also am always listening to new stuff, and have a wide and varied taste in music, so am happy to be proven wrong. I don't think it's closed-minded if you have tried it and found it not to your taste - only if you refuse to try it in the first place!


There are two rap segments on this album, which serve to continue the message of the music. Why keep a narrow focus on one actor to convey the importance of the content of this album when you can blossom this into an ensemble piece to more fully explore the themes of this piece. To make a comment like "I don't like the rap bits" is about as ignorant as saying "I like that photograph except the mountain in the background" the mountain and the rap are both parts of the piece.


I would agree both comments are equivalent but I don't understand how either comment is ignorant?

It's an opinion formed after sampling the artwork... are you saying you have to either like the whole piece or not like it all? That makes much less sense to me!


I will just #SMH at individuals who are close minded in regard to artistic appreciation. To say your auditory palate does not appreciate the flavors of the music is one thing, but to say it should not be there...that is a horse of a different color.

I don't say Meat shouldn't have included it in the first place - I have listened to the song and found it overall not to my taste, and I especially dislike "the rap bit". It is entirely possible I would like the song more if that bit wasn't there or was some other style of music, but I haven't jumped to that conclusion from a position of ignorance, nor do I proclaim that it should never have been allowed in the first place.

Open your mind and accept the possibility that no only do others have different opinions to yours, they are also quite entitled to arrive at them in a different fashion.

[Elijah's way]

For the record I don't hate any genre of music. I do hate this song all together not just one part or two parts of it. IMO even if it is a Meat Loaf song it's a 0/10 from me and that's not gonna change. Have a nice day ;)

[JennaG]

Drum N Bass, House, Garage, Urban, RNB, Acid, Daniel O Donnell - all genres I have yet to find anything I like in, so right now I would say I don't like those forms of music. However, I also am always listening to new stuff, and have a wide and varied taste in music, so am happy to be proven wrong. I don't think it's closed-minded if you have tried it and found it not to your taste - only if you refuse to try it in the first place!

I agree. I'll listen to any genre of music with an open mind but there has been certain genres that I've yet to find anything I like. I don't think that's ignorant, that's just having an opinion. Is it also ignorant to dislike Meat's more modern albums? I don't think it is, it's just individual preferences.

I would agree both comments are equivalent but I don't understand how either comment is ignorant?

It's an opinion formed after sampling the artwork... are you saying you have to either like the whole piece or not like it all? That makes much less sense to me!

I've said I don't particularly like Trace Adkins' vocal on the UK/US version of Stand In The Storm but it doesn't mean that I dislike that version of the song. I actually love the rest of the changes that were made to the song. I always listen to the whole song as that verse forms part of the song, I just don't get the same enjoyment from listening to it as I do the rest of the song.

[The Flying Mouse]

:twisted: Dave, we are just not agreeing at all on the subject of rap on the album :lol:
I'm picking on you again in this thread because of a point in your post I want to reply too :wink:

I wish I could find myself to be close minded enough to make the blanket statement that I simply do not like an entire genre of any form of art. I simply cannot do it. My intellect and thirst for knowledge always has me on the prowl for new and refreshing sounds for my auditory palate to savor.


I got pissed and learned to love Do It.
Is that good enough? :bleh:
Have I served my time in hell? :lol:



There are two rap segments on this album, which serve to continue the message of the music. Why keep a narrow focus on one actor to convey the importance of the content of this album when you can blossom this into an ensemble piece to more fully explore the themes of this piece.

Well, for one, because it's a Meat Loaf album :lol:
Yes, Meat has Patti and the rest of the band, and uses their considerable talents to great effect, but he is the voice of the piece because it's his work.
The other two guys put in great performances, but Meat could have handled it alone.
But as I like their performances, i'm happy that they are there.

The song was done for CA, and it is what it is, but apart from that I don't think Meat needs any help singing on his own records :shrug:



To make a comment like "I don't like the rap bits" is about as ignorant as saying "I like that photograph except the mountain in the background" the mountain and the rap are both parts of the piece.


OK, this is the piece that made me want to respond.
This is completly untrue.
I have favourite bits of many songs.
One that springs out right away is I'll Kill You If You Don''t Come Back. THe last half of that song is so magical and emotional it can bring a tear to my eye with great ease. Same can be said for For Crying Out Loud.

Single sentences and sometimes even single notes can be so amazing that I could happilly play them over and over again (and indeed, have done just that).

So if it's possible to love parts of some songs, why is it impossible to hate other parts of songs?

That a certain verse, sentence, note, whatever, can bring such strong emotion, is it not possible that some of those emotions are not positive ones? :?

Because if we did not have favourite moments and didn't dislike other things, then everything would sound the same, and that's a terrible thought.


To say that you either love or hate the whole painting is an absoloute, and only the sith deal in absoloutes :p (little bit of Star Wars geek leaking out there :lol: )

So, should I hate the whole song then?
Or is it better to at least love what you love (because I think this is a kick ass song apart from the rap) and hate what you don't.

Put it this way, if Whistler had painted a picture of his mum and in the corner he had painted a mooning leprechaun, would it be best to appreciate the rest of the picture, or would you throw the whole thing on the fire as junk?

Likewise, should I ignore the rap and appreciate how good the rest of the song is, or should I consider the song, or even the whole album ruined because there is something there I don't care for?

Anyway, about the song, the start puts me in mind of Dancing In THe Dark or Mercury Blues.
It kicks ass.

The rap, again, every time it comes to that part my heart sinks and I think "oh f*ck" and I have to either turn the volume off for a while (like right now for instance) or flick onto the next track.

My score is 7.5 (you know what happened to the other 25% :wink: )

[melon]

Well, it took so long I thought I genuinely didn't like the T.A version, but its grown a little, I can listen to it more now, and sing along with it. There's still something about it I don't quite like and I still prefer the JR version but I don't mind the new one either. On the whole I actually really love the song.

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[ShelbyLee]

I like the energy of this song and I think it will be fantastic on the new tour. I was really impressed with the live clips I have seen.

[White of High]

Average: 6.53 (98/15)