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According to the message posted by Kasim yesterday on the KasimInfo.com (http://www.kasiminfo.com/Message.html) site, he's (in his own words) "just got back from a recording session for a secret project with Jim Steinman".
No further info than that, but enough to start the speculation no doubt ...
Evil One
02 Feb 2011, 14:48
Past experience leads me to believe absolutely nothing will come of it. :roll:
daveake
02 Feb 2011, 14:56
The speculation usually lasts for much longer than the project :-(
Fingers crossed though ...
Cant say im too excited. Id like to see Jim concentrating solely on the bat musical.
daveake
02 Feb 2011, 15:28
Perhaps these things are related?
Cant say im too excited. Id like to see Jim concentrating solely on the bat musical.
I would imagine that that's exactly what he is doing, with Kasim's views on being true to the original Bat arrangements I'd imagine he'd be perfect to have on board.
daveake
02 Feb 2011, 16:11
Exactly.
Evil One
02 Feb 2011, 16:13
As far as being a secret project though I think it's failed! :lol:
Monstro
02 Feb 2011, 16:21
<<Finds himself agreeing with Smoggy..........needs a lie down now
<<Finds himself agreeing with Smoggy..........needs a lie down now
Smoggy?
allrevvedup
02 Feb 2011, 17:31
if it helps to actually produce something in the form of the Bat musical then it has to be a good thing.
<<Finds himself agreeing with Smoggy..........needs a lie down now
It had to happen :))
It had to happen :))
ah. your smoggy
madagascar
02 Feb 2011, 19:52
It's remarkable that they consider the bat musical a secret projetct. ;)
Kasim working with Jim Steinman can only be a positive.
It would be great to see some "new" Steinman stuff soon. His work pace seems to be rather slow but maybe collaborating with a qualified partner will accelerate it and lead to interesting results? It's good that Steinman is obviously working on something and I hope it's a project that will actually see the light of day.
Julie in the rv mirror
03 Feb 2011, 18:19
I like Kasim. And I like the idea that he has been working on something with Jim. I can't imagine it's connected with the Bat musical, because I don't think that's really a secret. Like others said, I do hope we get to hear it (and soon).
Pudding
03 Feb 2011, 20:08
I'd like to hear Roy Bittan is working with Jim, some of Jims most epic songs are with him at the piano.
I cannot imagine any musician I would be more pleased to see working on this than Roy Bittan :up: (I'll leave it at that because if I start on how immense Roy is I'll still be sitting here when the musical comes out!)
The Flying Mouse
03 Feb 2011, 20:53
:twisted: It would be nice to see Max Weinberg's name pop up :metal:
Roy AND Max...I would combust!
daveake
03 Feb 2011, 21:47
I can't imagine it's connected with the Bat musical
I think it probably is. Kasim has said elsewhere that he's working on "projects" with Jim:
Jim's brilliant,he's a brilliant songwriter and I don't know that many people can match him lyrically. He knows what he wants,Jim and I are very close friends working on projects that will come to see the light of day next year.
My guess is that it will be the musical and a CD timed to come out around the same time.
Monstro
04 Feb 2011, 09:00
This thread has been cleaned up after having to be locked.
Please note that this thread will be locked again permanently and infraction points issued if it goes the same way as yesterday, keep the discussion to the topic in hand which is Kasim working with Jim and what that may produce and NOT what may or may not have happened between Meat and Kasim.
renegadeangel
06 Feb 2011, 11:52
One thing that does kind of surprise me is that Meat and Jim both seem to work within the same small circle of musicians. So Kasim is working with Jim and Mark Alexander has been asked to work on the musical. Its interesting that after all the musicians that Jim has worked with, he has gone back to the beginning with Kasim.
One thing that does kind of surprise me is that Meat and Jim both seem to work within the same small circle of musicians. So Kasim is working with Jim and Mark Alexander has been asked to work on the musical. Its interesting that after all the musicians that Jim has worked with, he has gone back to the beginning with Kasim.
its strange to be honest, but then the more i think about it and what has happened it tends to make sense:shock:
daveake
06 Feb 2011, 20:23
Not strange at all. He prefers to work with people he's familiar with.
Often there's a core group of musicians who work with a single artist.
Paul McCartney, Eric Clapton & Elton John, all have a familiar group that they work with regularly. Jim is no different.
Not strange at all. He prefers to work with people he's familiar with.
except Meat ? ;)
renegadeangel
07 Feb 2011, 10:43
Not strange at all. He prefers to work with people he's familiar with.
He's never worked with mark alexander and its been years since he worked with Kasim. My point is that I would have thought he would have some new blood to work with, like maybe some musicians from the DREAM ENGINE.
Evil One
07 Feb 2011, 11:05
Remember the Dream Engine was more a Rinkoff project than a Jim project.
Do you think Kasim will work with Meat Loaf ever again?
Evil One
07 Feb 2011, 13:05
I think it's more than likely.
i wouldnt say so, as he does not like the direction Meat is going in:lol:
Evil One
07 Feb 2011, 19:13
But if Meat were to have a spot on the soundtrack CD, then chances are Kasim will also be on it. If Meat were to show up to the opening night (for example) and perform an encore of Bat Out Of Hell, then chances are Kasim will also be a part of it. :cool:
Evil One
07 Feb 2011, 19:36
But Meat already recorded the songs on his own Bat albums, so what would be the point of him recording on the soundtrack?Perhaps there may be a couple of new songs? :shrug:
Will people really be interested in an album of Bat songs with someone other than Meat singing?That has been debated endlessly and there is only one way to find out! :lol:
glamourgirl
07 Feb 2011, 19:43
Perhaps there may be a couple of new songs? :shrug:
That has been debated endlessly and there is only one way to find out! :lol:
Very true. I'd honestly rather go to a Meat show and hear Meat, Patti, and the NLE sing the songs than to see a musical with other singers.
New songs would be interesting but I just don't see them all working together again. With the constant remarks about the "food group" and such.
BostonAngel
07 Feb 2011, 21:27
Do you think Kasim will work with Meat Loaf ever again?
Based on the things that Kasim has said, in public, about Meat, I would say that it is very unlikely that they would ever work together again.
I do hope that this "secret" project that Kasim & jim are working on goes well.
The Flying Mouse
07 Feb 2011, 21:42
:twisted: Can we once more steer the subject away from Kasim Vs Meat please.
It's what got the thread locked last time, and it's what will happen again.
TheDoode
07 Feb 2011, 22:00
:twisted: Can we once more steer the subject away from Kasim Vs Meat please.
It's what got the thread locked last time, and it's what will happen again.
Out of curiosity, if there was a thread titled "Kasim VS. Meat", would the subject then be open for discussion?
D. :cool:
The Flying Mouse
07 Feb 2011, 22:06
:twisted: As nobody has all the facts concerning what happened between Meat and Kasim, and what was said by who, and seeing that the lack of this info could only lead the forum into wild speculation and fracturing into two waring factions one of which has decided they hate Kasim and the other faction deciding the people who hate Kasim are loonies, there is not a icicles hope in hell of having that thread on this forum at this time.
I think that's made our position clear :bleh:
If not, PM a mod and ask them direct as this subject is closed on this thread.
duke knooby
07 Feb 2011, 23:03
its good news (if anything comes from it)
renegadeangel
07 Feb 2011, 23:47
Perhaps there may be a couple of new songs? :shrug:
That has been debated endlessly and there is only one way to find out! :lol:
I suppose your right. But its nothing I would be interested in. Even the dream engine concerts didn't sound right without Meat singing.
Sarahdk23
09 Feb 2011, 07:40
Kasim just mentioned in an interview that he is working on a secret project with Jim Steinman (as we already know), but also that it has to do with musical theater :-)
http://www.kasiminfo.co.uk/2011/02/KS020811.mp3
daveake
09 Feb 2011, 09:14
Well, I'm scratching my head here as to what that could possibly mean ..... ;-)
Wild stab in the dark time, do you think that Jim could possibly have enlisted Kasim to work on a project to bring the Bat Out Of Hell music to the stage? I know it's never been mentioned, but I always thought Jim's music firmly had its roots in musical theatre, and that BooH could potentially make a great musical, maybe based loosely on the Peter Pan and Neverland theme. :))
Monstro
09 Feb 2011, 11:05
Wild stab in the dark time, do you think that Jim could possibly have enlisted Kasim to work on a project to bring the Bat Out Of Hell music to the stage? I know it's never been mentioned, but I always thought Jim's music firmly had its roots in musical theatre, and that BooH could potentially make a great musical, maybe based loosely on the Peter Pan and Neverland theme. :))
>>Has deep respect for those who think so far out of the box, nice thought, might even work :-P
daveake
09 Feb 2011, 11:29
Wild stab in the dark time, do you think that Jim could possibly have enlisted Kasim to work on a project to bring the Bat Out Of Hell music to the stage? I know it's never been mentioned, but I always thought Jim's music firmly had its roots in musical theatre, and that BooH could potentially make a great musical, maybe based loosely on the Peter Pan and Neverland theme. :))
That's way too far-fetched to be true. What has your crystal ball been smoking?
I'd like to hear Roy Bittan is working with Jim, some of Jims most epic songs are with him at the piano.
Agree
Meats not aloud to talk about the Bat musical i thought? as was Jim not aloud to say anything about Bat 3. there was something on here in the past saying something of this nature i think? could be wrong, but there was something along those lines. anyway i would imagine that Meat will get alot of attention if the musical ever happens, even if hes not directly involved. imo i dont see Meat having too much to do with it? as he would get most of the attention and im sure that would not go down too well? it didnt in 1977
Evil One
22 Feb 2011, 09:23
I think Meat's not allowed to say anything negative about the Bat musical in the same way Jim couldn't say anything negative about Bat 3. :twisted:
well i suppose theres nothing Meat can say about the Bat musical? it dont exist:D
Pudding
23 Feb 2011, 04:45
imo i dont see Meat having too much to do with it? as he would get most of the attention and im sure that would not go down too well? it didnt in 1977
I agree.
AndrewG
23 Feb 2011, 13:19
I'll believe it when I see it.
From what I can deduce Jim doesn't really seem to have music on his mind at the moment, going by his Facebook profile and what has been happening over the last decade. On his profile he seems to like to post some vids about his clothing ideas and random political stuff. Not saying that an artist can't do those things but keeping your main work a "secret" seems ludicrous to me in a time when probably the majority of people don't care about it except for his most dedicated fans, which figure I reckon is only in the thousands and hardly enough to consider filling a theatre night after night. Thus perhaps the secret element is only there so that no one will be expecting anything as not to disappoint anyone when things don't come of the ground, like what happened with the Batman musical.
In either case it doesn't sound like anything is at an advanced stage. At this rate I really don't think we will ever see this musical. I hope to be proven wrong but it's been what, like 5 years since we heard Jim talk about this idea. What's been done in all that time. To then present a musical with mostly old material really seems incredibly unproductive for an experienced song writer and composer.
I am not trying to debunk Jim's skills. I think he is an awesome songwriter, absolutely the best. But to have someone like Justin Hawkins contribute songs to Meat Loaf whilst we know Jim still has a few which he could sing and instead are gathering dust is a completely preposterous situation from two men who brought two of the best albums ever produced.
renegadeangel
24 Feb 2011, 01:53
And the clock is ticking....
Fire Ball
24 Feb 2011, 07:34
My guess is they are doing demos for the Musical . I wish the 2 of us would do some more songs together , I have reached out several times . My reply has been to busy with the Musical.
M
AndrewG
24 Feb 2011, 09:21
My guess is they are doing demos for the Musical . I wish the 2 of us would do some more songs together , I have reached out several times . My reply has been to busy with the Musical.
M
:-(
Evil One
24 Feb 2011, 09:24
Most of the songs are either 30 or 20 years old. I bet the rest were all originally going to be for Batman or the Dream Engine, so what can possibly need to be demoed again? :shrug:
AndrewG
24 Feb 2011, 09:25
Most of the songs are either 30 or 20 years old. I bet the rest were all originally going to be for Batman or the Dream Engine, so what can possibly need to be demoed again? :shrug:
Shhhh! It's a secret.
Evil One
24 Feb 2011, 09:26
This musical should have been finished long ago. :roll:
AndrewG
24 Feb 2011, 09:58
This musical should have been finished long ago. :roll:
Maybe we should check with Steven Stuarts' 100 year old mother. Jim working with such a youthful producer should have inspired Jim by no means.
MeatGrl1
24 Feb 2011, 10:12
My guess is they are doing demos for the Musical . I wish the 2 of us would do some more songs together , I have reached out several times . My reply has been to busy with the Musical.
M
:( !!
Hopefully you can work again soon :pray: !!!
AndrewG
24 Feb 2011, 10:28
Does anyone know why Jim keeps posting the "Clothes I've designed" video on his Facebook? Is he ok? :?
Maybe Jim is related in some way to Howard Hughes.:lol:
Rage Against
24 Feb 2011, 15:21
Does anyone know why Jim keeps posting the "Clothes I've designed" video on his Facebook? Is he ok? :?
Has it been confirmed that is his actual Facebook and not a fake Jim Steinman?
Evil One
24 Feb 2011, 15:30
Has it been confirmed that is his actual Facebook and not a fake Jim Steinman?It is Jim, although why he allows nutty twats like Dicky Arse to fill it full of :shit: is beyond me. :shrug:
Rage Against
24 Feb 2011, 15:32
I'll believe it when I see it.
From what I can deduce Jim doesn't really seem to have music on his mind at the moment, going by his Facebook profile and what has been happening over the last decade. On his profile he seems to like to post some vids about his clothing ideas and random political stuff. Not saying that an artist can't do those things but keeping your main work a "secret" seems ludicrous to me in a time when probably the majority of people don't care about it except for his most dedicated fans, which figure I reckon is only in the thousands and hardly enough to consider filling a theatre night after night. Thus perhaps the secret element is only there so that no one will be expecting anything as not to disappoint anyone when things don't come of the ground, like what happened with the Batman musical.
In either case it doesn't sound like anything is at an advanced stage. At this rate I really don't think we will ever see this musical. I hope to be proven wrong but it's been what, like 5 years since we heard Jim talk about this idea. What's been done in all that time. To then present a musical with mostly old material really seems incredibly unproductive for an experienced song writer and composer.
I am not trying to debunk Jim's skills. I think he is an awesome songwriter, absolutely the best. But to have someone like Justin Hawkins contribute songs to Meat Loaf whilst we know Jim still has a few which he could sing and instead are gathering dust is a completely preposterous situation from two men who brought two of the best albums ever produced.
I agree keeping it a secret doesn't make a lot of sense, but then how secret is it if we're talking about it. And I think the power of the Jim Steinman name and the BOOH brand would fill the theater night after night. I would definitely put it on my "must see" list. And it is sad Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman may never work together again. These two made rock history together, twice, and it would be a shame not to have them collaborate again.
loaferman61
24 Feb 2011, 15:40
Out of curiosity, if there was a thread titled "Kasim VS. Meat", would the subject then be open for discussion?
D. :cool:
LOL. Good point. :D
loaferman61
24 Feb 2011, 15:41
This thread has been cleaned up after having to be locked.
Please note that this thread will be locked again permanently and infraction points issued if it goes the same way as yesterday, keep the discussion to the topic in hand which is Kasim working with Jim and what that may produce and NOT what may or may not have happened between Meat and Kasim.
I hope "Life Is A Lemon" is on the project. Some really good meaning in the lyrics on that song. Maybe it will be on Jim and Kasim's collaboration.
The Flying Mouse
24 Feb 2011, 18:29
It is Jim, although why he allows nutty twats like Dicky Arse to fill it full of :shit: is beyond me. :shrug:
:twisted: Eh?
Sorry to hear Meat and Jim have no plans to work together again.
They don't need each other, but they've certainly done their best work together.
Fire Ball
24 Feb 2011, 18:34
I hope "Life Is A Lemon" is on the project. Some really good meaning in the lyrics on that song. Maybe it will be on Jim and Kasim's collaboration.
I can tell you this Kasim will not be in collaboration ,he will only be playing bass. The only 3 people to have any collaboration with Jim is myself, Roy and Todd. Everyone else works for Jim when he works.
M
Evil One
24 Feb 2011, 18:42
Sorry to hear Meat and Jim have no plans to work together again.
They don't need each other, but they've certainly done their best work together.When the musical really hits the :shit: then Jim will no doubt go running back to Meat as he has done in the past. :shrug:
The only 3 people to have any collaboration with Jim is myself, Roy and Todd. Everyone else works for Jim when he works.Even Rinkoff?
The Flying Mouse
24 Feb 2011, 18:50
When the musical really hits the :shit: then Jim will no doubt go running back to Meat as he has done in the past. :shrug:
:twisted: I can't see the musical happening, because Jim takes too long to put these things together, but I don't think Jim would "run back" to Meat in a position of weakness, but however you want to look at it :shrug:
Has Jim still got David Sonnoffabitchinburg draining his blood?
What was the Dicky Arse reference?
Does Jim have other people posting updates on his personal facebook page?
Evil One
24 Feb 2011, 18:57
Dicky Arse is more commonly known as Richard Haase and is a :wacko:. Have a search on the Rockman for Haase or Dicky Arse and you'll see some gems. He's a good friend of Gibson/Jacko/Jackanapes/The_Jackster/whenitcomes2lovingU/Puddingsbestfriend/Whateverhescallinghimselftoday, so that probably tells you all you need to know. :lol: At one point he claimed (through the aforementioned Jacko) to be working on a musical with Jim, then sent a load of abusive emails to various people and now posts rubbish on Jim's Facebook. :nuts:
The Flying Mouse
24 Feb 2011, 19:26
:twisted: Sounds like a fun guy :wtf:
I can tell you this Kasim will not be in collaboration ,he will only be playing bass. The only 3 people to have any collaboration with Jim is myself, Roy and Todd. Everyone else works for Jim when he works.
M
Roy really is an unsung hero on so much of Jim's work isn't he? His contributions often get overlooked but Mr Bittan is stellar!
Yep, Roy is amazing!! What a talent!
Paul Richardson
24 Feb 2011, 23:31
I wish the 2 of us would do some more songs together.
You, me, everyone here, and the rest of the entire ~~~~ing world. Personally I can't see the point of a Bat musical, or why it would take so long given (presumably) all the songs are written already.
It's nothing short of tragic that you may not record together again...
ricgough
25 Feb 2011, 04:42
Isn't that code for " Sonenberg won't let me" ?
The Flying Mouse
25 Feb 2011, 16:38
:twisted: Let me fix that for you :wink:
Isn't that code for " Sonenberg won't let Jim" ?
glamourgirl
25 Feb 2011, 19:47
I wish the 2 of us would do some more songs together , I have reached out several times . My reply has been to busy with the Musical.
M
It would be awesome to hear more songs. Hopefully someday. I always hoped Patti would record some Steinman songs too. I love the song Total Eclipse of the Heart but I never cared much for Bonnie Tyler's voice.
Evil One
25 Feb 2011, 19:57
I love the song Total Eclipse of the Heart but I never cared much for Bonnie Tyler's voice.I agree with this. I like all of the Steinman song's that Bonnie has done, but I think that is in spite of her vocals, not because of them. :shrug:
Battybarb
26 Feb 2011, 09:45
It would be awesome to hear more songs. Hopefully someday. I always hoped Patti would record some Steinman songs too. I love the song Total Eclipse of the Heart but I never cared much for Bonnie Tyler's voice.
i love Total Eclipse of the Heart and i do love Bonnies voice and the way she sings it ,i think she has a distinctive voice.
Would definately love to hear more songs from Jim
A Slice Of English
26 Feb 2011, 09:51
I like her voice too, Battybarb. I think my favourite of hers is "Faster Than The Speed Of Night", however. I also like her rendition of "Tyre Tracks & Broken Hearts"
Battybarb
26 Feb 2011, 10:06
Both great songs,Tyre Tracks is one of my favourite songs
I think Jim needs to stop being so pretentious and wake up to the fact that his musicals and projects don't get off the ground. He has been trying things for years now and the last thing to do anything was his mismash of old songs in DOTV. Noone was interested in TDE - some average guy singing old meat loaf songs.
If he wants anything to happen then he clearly should sit down, write some new material, get Meat in the process and on vocals and then head to one of the major labels with the right press team.
Otherwise it will just be years more of stories of this happening, demos of that happening, something of this is going to happen - when eventually, the only thing that happens is nothing.
I think Jim needs to stop being so pretentious and wake up to the fact that his musicals and projects don't get off the ground. He has been trying things for years now and the last thing to do anything was his mismash of old songs in DOTV. Noone was interested in TDE - some average guy singing old meat loaf songs.
If he wants anything to happen then he clearly should sit down, write some new material, get Meat in the process and on vocals and then head to one of the major labels with the right press team.
Otherwise it will just be years more of stories of this happening, demos of that happening, something of this is going to happen - when eventually, the only thing that happens is nothing.
I don't think it's actually Jim to be honest, but some influence over him what stops him workin with Meat.
Evil One
26 Feb 2011, 13:43
I don't think it's actually Jim to be honest, but some influence over him what stops him workin with Meat.Working with Meat is probably the best way for Jim to make any money. If the dark forces that control Jim prevent him from doing so then it is less likely that Jim will put out anything new. It's a theory that these dark forces are simply waiting for Jim to pop his clogs so they can cash in. They stand to make more money if they have more unreleased stuff to release. :shrug:
AndrewG
26 Feb 2011, 13:54
Jim should stop wasting time and do a "Bat out of Hell: Resurrection" with Meat asap. In my opinion the musical stuff could be done by others with Jim perhaps giving advice etc. A bit like We Will Rock You and Queen. I really don't see the point in the original composer spending beyond 5 years on such a project.
If dark forces are preventing anything fruitful from happening they should be destroyed completely.
The Flying Mouse
26 Feb 2011, 17:13
It's a theory that these dark forces are simply waiting for Jim to pop his clogs so they can cash in.
:twisted: That's the theory I subscribe too.
His estete will be a nice cash cow to some ruthless ~~~~~~~.
I really don't see the point in the original composer spending beyond 5 years on such a project.
Neither do I.
FFS, if it's Bat Out Of Hell the musical, surely all the material is written.
What is the hold up, and why does Jim himself need to be so heavilly involved?
If dark forces are preventing anything fruitful from happening they should be destroyed completely.
You get the gonad electrocution kit, i'll grab the nipple sized pastry cutters :devil:
Evil One
26 Feb 2011, 17:17
You get the gonad electrocution kit, i'll grab the nipple sized pastry cutters :devil:Aren't they both at your house? :bleh:
The Flying Mouse
26 Feb 2011, 17:34
Aren't they both at your house? :bleh:
:twisted: I'm not going to use my own am I? :roll:
Working with Meat is probably the best way for Jim to make any money. If the dark forces that control Jim prevent him from doing so then it is less likely that Jim will put out anything new. It's a theory that these dark forces are simply waiting for Jim to pop his clogs so they can cash in. They stand to make more money if they have more unreleased stuff to release. :shrug:
I agree, I just hope Jim wakes up to the crap he takes from certain individuals. Don't get me wrong, Meat most probably took the same crap too for a long time, but eventually stood up to certain individuals, and went his own way. But not everyone is the same, but one day, I hope to hear some new Jim/Meat material :D
renegadeangel
26 Feb 2011, 23:15
My guess is they are doing demos for the Musical . I wish the 2 of us would do some more songs together , I have reached out several times . My reply has been to busy with the Musical.
M
My opinion is that the backers of the musical are afraid that if any of Jim's "new songs" are released prior to the musical, that it might steal a bit too much thunder from the musical.
renegadeangel
26 Feb 2011, 23:19
I agree keeping it a secret doesn't make a lot of sense, but then how secret is it if we're talking about it. And I think the power of the Jim Steinman name and the BOOH brand would fill the theater night after night. I would definitely put it on my "must see" list. And it is sad Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman may never work together again. These two made rock history together, twice, and it would be a shame not to have them collaborate again.
Sorry but Jim's name won't fill much more than the first few rows. Its been years since he did anything at all. It's going to take a hit song to get things rolling, and this is where I think they've made a huge mistake not have Meat involved. That one will come back to haunt them.
Sorry but Jim's name won't fill much more than the first few rows. Its been years since he did anything at all. It's going to take a hit song to get things rolling, and this is where I think they've made a huge mistake not have Meat involved. That one will come back to haunt them.
its hard to say really, but sony will be the happy ones if it happens as Bat will storm up the charts
Evil One
26 Feb 2011, 23:42
Followed by a best of Jim Steinman compilation or Bad For Good as it's currently known. :lol:
Followed by a best of Jim Steinman compilation or Bad For Good as it's currently known. :lol:
most likely:D
meatfanforlife
27 Feb 2011, 00:47
My guess is they are doing demos for the Musical . I wish the 2 of us would do some more songs together , I have reached out several times . My reply has been to busy with the Musical.
M
If its meant to be, it will be. There was never a better voice for his music than yours, and never better songs for your voice than his. Keep trying Meat.
AndrewG
27 Feb 2011, 02:21
If its meant to be, it will be. There was never a better voice for his music than yours, and never better songs for your voice than his. Keep trying Meat.
:up:
I wish the 2 of us would do some more songs together
And I had to take the flak for being wrongly believed to have suggested another Steinman / Meat Loaf collaboration... This forum is a strange place sometimes.
The Flying Mouse
27 Feb 2011, 16:18
My opinion is that the backers of the musical are afraid that if any of Jim's "new songs" are released prior to the musical, that it might steal a bit too much thunder from the musical.
:twisted: I would have thought that new Steinman material on shop shelves could only higher his profile.
Not very much, granted, but it couldn't do any harm :shrug:
Followed by a best of Jim Steinman compilation or Bad For Good as it's currently known. :lol:
I think the name Bat Out Of Hell will always be linked to Meat, and he's the first person people will think of on hearing the name.
If people see the show and like the music, it'll be the Meat Loaf section of HMV they head to, not the Jim Steinman version, wether Meat is involved or not.
I'm not saying it's fair, i'm just saying it's so.
renegadeangel
27 Feb 2011, 23:40
:twisted: I would have thought that new Steinman material on shop shelves could only higher his profile.
Not very much, granted, but it couldn't do any harm :shrug:
Most music lovers would tend to agree. But with the potential to make millions out of this, it all comes down to money.
I think the name Bat Out Of Hell will always be linked to Meat, and he's the first person people will think of on hearing the name.
If people see the show and like the music, it'll be the Meat Loaf section of HMV they head to, not the Jim Steinman version, wether Meat is involved or not.
I'm not saying it's fair, i'm just saying it's so.
And that is one of the biggest fears the producers of the musical have. From the beginning it has been pretty much apparent that they do not want Meat involved. Funny how they may end up begging to get involved at some point.
Evil One
27 Feb 2011, 23:43
And that is one of the biggest fears the producers of the musical have.I'd have thought with the age of them that their biggest fear is dying before the musical is finished. :bleh:
loaferman61
27 Feb 2011, 23:55
Working with Meat is probably the best way for Jim to make any money. If the dark forces that control Jim prevent him from doing so then it is less likely that Jim will put out anything new. It's a theory that these dark forces are simply waiting for Jim to pop his clogs so they can cash in. They stand to make more money if they have more unreleased stuff to release. :shrug:
I have often thought this as well, but it has been so long and the music biz has changed so much I'm not sure the payoff will be what they think on a posthumous Jim release. It will probably be good money, but his estate will be worth more probably that the unreleased stuff.
AndrewG
27 Feb 2011, 23:58
I'd have thought with the age of them that their biggest fear is dying before the musical is finished. :bleh:
Indeed.
But indeed I have to say to think of Bat out of Hell without Meat would be like trying to market "We will rock you" without the Queen brand and Mamma Mia as a Catherine Johnson, Benny Andersson and Björn Ulvaeus musical.
How could this ever work?
They will HAVE to use the Meat Loaf name and I personally don't like that as I don't think it's any different than Meat doing Bat 3 without Jim which he has regretted.
Monstro
28 Feb 2011, 00:22
But indeed I have to say to think of Bat out of Hell without Meat would be like trying to market "We will rock you" without the Queen brand and Mamma Mia as a Catherine Johnson, Benny Andersson and Björn Ulvaeus musical.
How could this ever work?
They will HAVE to use the Meat Loaf name and I personally don't like that as I don't think it's any different than Meat doing Bat 3 without Jim which he has regretted.
Really good point, I never thought of that, two sides to every penny
Indeed.
But indeed I have to say to think of Bat out of Hell without Meat would be like trying to market "We will rock you" without the Queen brand and Mamma Mia as a Catherine Johnson, Benny Andersson and Björn Ulvaeus musical.
How could this ever work?
They will HAVE to use the Meat Loaf name and I personally don't like that as I don't think it's any different than Meat doing Bat 3 without Jim which he has regretted.
Nail hit right on the head there. Meat and Jim, make up Bat Out Of Hell, not one without the other as we seen with Bat 3. But in all honesty, does Meat want to actually have any involvement with this musical, if he was asked, and will this musical ever see the light of day. I am sure I read that this is going to be one hell of a production, and the way money is tight nowadays, I am sure companies won't take much risks, unless they are certain, money will come flowing in.
The Flying Mouse
28 Feb 2011, 17:50
I'd have thought with the age of them that their biggest fear is dying before the musical is finished. :bleh:
:twisted: :lmao:
I thought it was that Crawford would be offered the lead :yikes:
I have often thought this as well, but it has been so long and the music biz has changed so much I'm not sure the payoff will be what they think on a posthumous Jim release. It will probably be good money, but his estate will be worth more probably that the unreleased stuff.
The unreleased stuff will be a nice bonus, but the royalties from records and musicals running (I'm thinking the Bat albums and the Tanz productions) should keep someone in lollypops for an awful long time.
loaferman61
28 Feb 2011, 20:30
The unreleased stuff will be a nice bonus, but the royalties from records and musicals running (I'm thinking the Bat albums and the Tanz productions) should keep someone in lollypops for an awful long time.
I agree, the unreleased will be nice - more than most of us will ever see - but the entire estate is where the real money is. I have to wonder why Jim who seems so intelligent lets this go on. Nothing released in who remembers how long and working for years on musicals that seem to never happen. I assume Jim doesn't need any more money and just does what he wants. I hope his will leaves it all to his cat. I can't help but wonder how manipulated he is and if his creative well has reached a crawl or if he cares that there seem to be people awaiting him to "pop his clogs".
The Flying Mouse
28 Feb 2011, 20:38
I hope his will leaves it all to his cat.
:twisted: I suddenly have a disquietening image of David Sonnenberg in a cat outfit with a hole cut out for his face, pacing round a mansion with a bejeweled golden chalice full of milk, telling a bunch of lawyers "of course i'm Mr Steinman's cat" :bleh:
allrevvedup
28 Feb 2011, 20:39
:twisted: I suddenly have a disquietening image of David Sonnenberg in a cat outfit with a hole cut out for his face, pacing round a mansion with a bejeweled golden chalice full of milk, telling a bunch of lawyers "of course i'm Mr Steinman's cat" :bleh:
you really have too much time on your hands...:shock:
The Flying Mouse
28 Feb 2011, 21:29
:twisted: That's why i'm a mod :lol:
But getting back to the topic of the musical, I think it's rather telling that Jim has got Kasim on board as it would seem to indicate that Jim wants to stick as closely to the original arrangement as possible.
The most puzzling thing is why is it all taking so long if it's all old material? :shrug:
renegadeangel
28 Feb 2011, 22:29
:twisted: That's why i'm a mod :lol:
But getting back to the topic of the musical, I think it's rather telling that Jim has got Kasim on board as it would seem to indicate that Jim wants to stick as closely to the original arrangement as possible.
The most puzzling thing is why is it all taking so long if it's all old material? :shrug:
I doubt very much we're going to hear the 1977 version of BAT OUT OF HELL. I'm pretty sure that Jim has rerecorded all the songs along with a few new ones so that it is going to be Jim Steinmans Bat Out of Hell the Musical.
His and his alone.
allrevvedup
28 Feb 2011, 22:39
The most puzzling thing is why is it all taking so long if it's all old material? :shrug:
a combination of him being a perfectionist and his health over the last few years methinks
loaferman61
28 Feb 2011, 22:43
:twisted: I suddenly have a disquietening image of David Sonnenberg in a cat outfit with a hole cut out for his face, pacing round a mansion with a bejeweled golden chalice full of milk, telling a bunch of lawyers "of course i'm Mr Steinman's cat" :bleh:
Where's Rinkoff in all of this? He also seems to have a stake in whatever Jim leaves when he departs - providing that Jim is really mortal.
glamourgirl
28 Feb 2011, 22:52
Nail hit right on the head there. Meat and Jim, make up Bat Out Of Hell, not one without the other as we seen with Bat 3. But in all honesty, does Meat want to actually have any involvement with this musical, if he was asked, and will this musical ever see the light of day. I am sure I read that this is going to be one hell of a production, and the way money is tight nowadays, I am sure companies won't take much risks, unless they are certain, money will come flowing in.
Jim didn't want any involvement with Meat's upcoming album, so why would Meat want any involvement with the musical? The musical won't help Meat's career any. The people interested in seeing the Bat musical will be the people who know the music and already own Meat's albums. If people aren't already a fan of the Bat albums, I can't imagine them taking any interest in this musical.
stretch37
28 Feb 2011, 22:57
Jim didn't want any involvement with Meat's upcoming album, so why would Meat want any involvement with the musical? The musical won't help Meat's career any. The people interested in seeing the Bat musical will be the people who know the music and already own Meat's albums. If people aren't already a fan of the Bat albums, I can't imagine them taking any interest in this musical.
nobody under the age of 50 anyway....most don't know much about BOOH. Besides Meat would never agree to it, he wants to create not revisit 80 year old material
Evil One
28 Feb 2011, 23:02
34 year old material that are still some of the best songs ever written. Just because you think new=better, it doesn't mean that everyone else will. :shock:
stretch37
28 Feb 2011, 23:07
34 year old material that are still some of the best songs ever written. Just because you think new=better, it doesn't mean that everyone else will. :shock:
I dont think new = better. The songs on bat are some of the most epic songs ever written.
All im saying is that most younger people dont know much about Meat, so a bat musical with only old songs would have to be catered and marketed for an older audience. So i was agreeing with what she said
duke knooby
28 Feb 2011, 23:07
nobody under the age of 50 anyway....most don't know much about BOOH. Besides Meat would never agree to it, he wants to create not revisit 80 year old material
you may well be right, but it didn't stop we will rock you, or the abba musical becoming huge hits
stretch37
28 Feb 2011, 23:09
you may well be right, but it didn't stop we will rock you, or the abba musical becoming huge hits
yeah i can see it as an entirely separate project happening at the same time, or between Meat's new material getting done...if Meat and Jim collaborated on a bat musical, it could be a huge hit
duke knooby
28 Feb 2011, 23:14
the thing with the bat songs is they have proven to be timeless, they seem to appeal to people for whatever reason (and still sell)
AndrewG
01 Mar 2011, 00:29
What I really have to say in defence of Meat too is that what he brought to the stage was the theatre anyway, the little sketches during Paradise and many other songs, the big fat man acting as if he was a slim energetic rock star, getting you out of your seats, making you sing along. In my opinion anything that gets cooked up with stage sets and actors and singers such as Rob Evan could never top that stuff. I feel the music has been there and done it. This is perhaps my main problem with a Bat musical. I much preferred if Jim had tried to relaunch the Batman idea with mostly unknown songs. Certainly after the Nolan reboot of the films it could have worked I think.
loaferman61
01 Mar 2011, 19:34
Jim didn't want any involvement with Meat's upcoming album, so why would Meat want any involvement with the musical? The musical won't help Meat's career any. The people interested in seeing the Bat musical will be the people who know the music and already own Meat's albums. If people aren't already a fan of the Bat albums, I can't imagine them taking any interest in this musical.
If there is a CD for the "Bat" musical, and I don't see any reason why there wouldn't be given the last I heard it would be staged in the UK, it would be insane not to have a Meat - Jim song on there ("Body" would be perfect) I'm pretty sure Jim already has it worked out to where Meat could just add vocals. If Jim does this without Meat I see it failing in a major way. It may even with Meat, but he's their best chance to create a buzz in the media. The way to do that is a single and Meat appearing at the premiere to get press.
renegadeangel
01 Mar 2011, 23:12
If there is a CD for the "Bat" musical, and I don't see any reason why there wouldn't be given the last I heard it would be staged in the UK, it would be insane not to have a Meat - Jim song on there ("Body" would be perfect) I'm pretty sure Jim already has it worked out to where Meat could just add vocals. If Jim does this without Meat I see it failing in a major way. It may even with Meat, but he's their best chance to create a buzz in the media. The way to do that is a single and Meat appearing at the premiere to get press.
I'm thinking more and more they are going to rerecord all the songs from both BATS and some new songs and sell the whole thing off as a reimagining of BAT OUT OF HELL. Remember, it's being called Jim Steinman's Bat out of Hell so it will be strictly his interpretation.
The only way they'll go to Meat for anything will be out of desperation.
duke knooby
01 Mar 2011, 23:48
The only way they'll go to Meat for anything will be out of desperation.
that sounds very cold...
they might go to meat for lots of reasons, or they might not, or something might happen, or not
renegadeangel
02 Mar 2011, 02:21
that sounds very cold...
Why? Jim ran to Meat after the failure of Dance of the Vampires on Broadway.
they might go to meat for lots of reasons, or they might not, or something might happen, or not
They won't go to Meat period. The only reason they will is like I said, desparation. And by that time it would be too late.
Get Meat involved from the beginning and theres a chance it might work. Meat would barely acknowledge WHISTLE DOWN THE WIND and he got some good songs from Jim for his BEST OF package. Can't say as I blame him.
loaferman61
02 Mar 2011, 02:34
I'm thinking more and more they are going to rerecord all the songs from both BATS and some new songs and sell the whole thing off as a reimagining of BAT OUT OF HELL. Remember, it's being called Jim Steinman's Bat out of Hell so it will be strictly his interpretation.
The only way they'll go to Meat for anything will be out of desperation.
I have a similar notion, but hope it isn't true. Re-recording anything from Bat 1 and 2 without Meat is akin to blasphemy ( I know some Bat 2 was covers). You don't re-make a true classic and usually anyone who tries fails. That idea has disaster written all over it. New songs, fine but re-doing the songs off either "bat" with other singers - no way. I have never heard any other singer nail "Bat", never. Not even close.
renegadeangel
02 Mar 2011, 10:53
I have a similar notion, but hope it isn't true. Re-recording anything from Bat 1 and 2 without Meat is akin to blasphemy ( I know some Bat 2 was covers). You don't re-make a true classic and usually anyone who tries fails. That idea has disaster written all over it. New songs, fine but re-doing the songs off either "bat" with other singers - no way. I have never heard any other singer nail "Bat", never. Not even close.
Your right. Thats why I think its taking so long to get this going. But it won't work. Meat is as much of the BAT epic as Jim. Look what happened with BAT 3. I would have though Jim might have taken note. I don't believe for a second there are any more than a few thousand hardcore Jim fans and they certainly won't fill a theatre night after night. And if they did, I wonder how long it will be before they start chanting MEAT! MEAT!
Perhaps by the second act?
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