CC leaves the band

[samurai7]

Hope it's ok to post this here. CC has just announced on her Facebook page that she will not be joining Meat on the upcoming UK tour, as she's going to concentrate on her own career.

[Jayd]

All the best to CC, but the show will still be cracking even if Meat does not replace her. When Meat only had Patti as the sole female singer in the band, the shows were always excellent still. :D

[Wario]

Explains why she wasnt on Leno. Hope thats not the case for Dave Luther

So it will be like 1993 all over again now

best of luck to her

[Nici]

Thank god Patti is still in the band. Like 1993 she can do it on her own. She is amazing!

Good luck for CC and her carreer.

[JennaG]

It's a shame she won't be doing the UK shows as I think her and Patti are the best backing singers Meat has ever had.

The best of luck to her though.

[AndyK]

It's always sad to see when someone leaves the NLE, especially more so when it's this close to a leg of a tour starting.

We wish you well in the future CC, and thank you for the years in the past.

[Evil One]

It's sad, but it's not a major loss and nor is it the end of the world. The question is: will she be replaced, or will they carry on without? :sherlock:

[Nici]

HHHHMMMM We need Sherlok Holmes for that. I think they are gonna perform just with Patti or...........will Pearl have her come back in The Neverland Express????!!!

[Evil One]

It would be unlikely, now that she is getting successful in her own right.

[meat_loaf]

That B ashame first we lose Aspen then well lose CC what ever could happen next, CC as meat said was ever boys girl next door.... Im gonna miss her. :-( all the best CC

[allrevvedup]

sorry to hear that but good luck to her...I wish her great success

[LucyK!]

Sorry to see her go, but can't say I blame her.

Good luck CC, you've been fabulous!

[Dave]

Bring Back Renee Cologne?

Okay, I will go back into my little bat cave now...

Dave

[Vickip]

Explains why she wasnt on Leno. Hope thats not the case for Dave Luther

So it will be like 1993 all over again now

best of luck to her

Dave Luther posted on Facebook that he's in the UK, so I'm sure he's still in the band :wink:

I know CC will be missed, but she's a very talented lady, and I truly wish her the best of luck in her solo career :-)

[Evil One]

Bring Back Renee Cologne?

Okay, I will go back into my little bat cave now...

Dave
How about :nope:, although it would be infinitely preferable to some alternatives!

[eddy<meat-loaf>rocky]

omg i am so sad i love cc she is amazing girl and singer and she has the voce of a rock chick and from watching the paradise doc she has a gud personalty to . nle wont be the same now now that kasiam and mark has gone and now cc i dont think the uk tour will be the same but i will still be going to the manchester gig

[Elijah's way]

I think that it would be cool if Amanda Aday was to take the job.:twisted: And I hate to see CC go I really like her, best of luck to ya CC.

[Smithie]

To be honest, I think CC's role in the band has always been completely unnecessary. There is no need to replace her. Patti and 4 of the guys already sing backup. The rest of the band can get a raise now.

That said, CC is a nice lady and I wish her the best with her solo career.

[LucyK!]

I agree Smithie, Patti's so strong that the role of second female backing singer just isn't needed, regardless of who's in that role. CC's been amazing, and Pearl was great too back on VBO/Storytellers tour, but they were great in roles that weren't needed. I'll miss CC but I really hope she gets the chance to shine now.

[The Flying Mouse]

:twisted: Sad to hear CC has left the band, but you can't blame her for wanting to take her own shot.

Best wishes for the future CC.


As for what's next, as long as Meat doesn't take inspiration from the RHS and have Wario in front of the stage miming to Meat's performance, then it can't be too bad.

[meatfanforlife]

Sorry to see her go, but it was great while it lasted. Best of luck to CC

[A Slice Of English]

What a shame, CC was foxy as hell but I sincerely hope she manages to land herself a lucrative solo career. Gawd bless her xx

[MissAsh]

That's a shame, I'll miss CC. All the very best to her for the future though.

[Sue K]

Best wishes and lots of luck to go along with that talent of yours, CC, you RockNRoll chickie~babe girlfriend, you ! You will be missed ... xo

[24K]

Yea it is a real shame CC has left, i really liked her as a person and as a singer. I wish her every success in the future, she deserves it !

[carole]

Yeah CC was a great girl and an asset to the band. She will be greatly missed. I wish her every success in her solo career.

Carole

[glamourgirl]

I agree Smithie, Patti's so strong that the role of second female backing singer just isn't needed, regardless of who's in that role. CC's been amazing, and Pearl was great too back on VBO/Storytellers tour, but they were great in roles that weren't needed. I'll miss CC but I really hope she gets the chance to shine now.


I agree. I always preferred the show with just one woman in the band and that woman being Patti. Her voice is more powerful than 2 ordinary singers. When a band is too big, no one gets featured properly.


Also, CC's New Jersey band is cool and I look forward to her album. Here she is at a NJ show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qdxnHzCu50&nofeather=True

[Monstro]

I agree. I always preferred the show with just one woman in the band and that woman being Patti.

Wow, you must've been so upset at the concerts where there was two.

Personally I'll miss CC, her personality and sense of fun was excellent and she could belt out a tune. Wish her all the best for the future!!

Oh yeah, does help that she was gorgeous lol

http://media.mlxxfc.net/CC manchester 07.jpg

[glamourgirl]

Wow, you must've been so upset at the concerts where there was two.


No, that is not what I said. There just isn't enough time in the show for 2. There was nothing for CC to do in the Hang Cool show. There wasn't even enough time in the show to feature Patti properly. I can understand why she left and I hope she does well with her solo projects.

(Meat sounds better than ever so there is no need to add a new backing vocalist, that's what I was agreeing with.)

[Evil One]

I prefer there to be two backing vocalists, even just for the aesthetics! You say there was nothing for CC to do on the last tour, but she was getting paid (probably good money) to travel the world, look pretty and go "Ooooo Oooooo" for two hours a night, a few days a week. It's not a job to be sniffed at! :twisted:

[glamourgirl]

I prefer there to be two backing vocalists, even just for the aesthetics! You say there was nothing for CC to do on the last tour, but she was getting paid (probably good money) to travel the world, look pretty and go "Ooooo Oooooo" for two hours a night, a few days a week. It's not a job to be sniffed at! :twisted:


That is exactly the problem. The role you suggested isn't necessary in the show. Then the second girl just gets labeled as "eye candy". I would prefer to see a show where everyone's talent is featured to the fullest- the guys on their instruments and Patti on vocals.


(And I think CC is a good singer which is why I think she made a smart move for her career. She should be singing lead with her band and not singing "ooo ooo" for two hours.)

[Cherry.Loaf]

It'll be sad to see her go as she got to really shine during the Casa de carne tour singing 45 seconds. If they do replace her I really hope it's not Aspen I personally can not stand her voice

[renegadeangel]

On another note is this the winding down of the Neverland Express? Is Meat done touring after this one? He's hinted around a bit about HCTB might be his last album so maybe theres not much point in some of his band sticking around if they could be doing their own thing.
Sure hope I'm wrong

[Smithie]

He's hinted around a bit about HCTB might be his last album so maybe theres not much point in some of his band sticking around if they could be doing their own thing.
Sure hope I'm wrong


Meat said he is recording another album in 2011.

[24K]

Actually i think CC got to do more than "ooo" "ooo" in concerts i saw in the US, my personal take on what i saw and heard.

[LucyK!]

I think we can all agree she did more than "ooo" but (I feel) she certainly wasn't given the opportunities to do what she's capable of during the main show.

For me that was most evident on the second leg of the 3 Bats shows when CC was the opening act. She was brilliant, really great performances of some very well written, heart-felt songs...she was fabulous! Then the Meat show started and she was back to being second backing vocalist. Just seemed almost a waste of such a talent.

[meat_loaf]

Wow, you must've been so upset at the concerts where there was two.

Personally I'll miss CC, her personality and sense of fun was excellent and she could belt out a tune. Wish her all the best for the future!!

Oh yeah, does help that she was gorgeous lol

http://media.mlxxfc.net/CC manchester 07.jpg

Drop dead gorgeous

[Wario]

sorta makes you wonder how amy and Elaine felt about ELaine doing Paradise... I get mixed up.

[Jeanie]

Very sad to hear that CC has decided to leave the band. She was always so gracious to the fans, both on and off stage. She will be missed....

I wish her all the best in her solo career.

J. xo

[suzieq]

I wish CC the best of luck. She is a joy to speak with and a fun, fun soul.

IMO: Overall I don't understand why people find the need to "feature" people in the Meat's band all the time. They work hard as a unit to put on a fantastic show FOR Meat Loaf, not FOR themselves. It is a Meat Loaf show not a variety medley. I know I speak as one person, but I go there to see/hear Meat sing Meat songs, then tear the roof off the house with Rock and Roll.

I have to say, Meat sure knows how to spot talent. Each one of the NLE has the ability to take on personal solo adventures and some have done so and left the band. At the very least, the members of the NLE are possibly showcased enough to start a following and grow.

[Kathy]

CC joined the band at the same time I started going to shows! So for me, she's "always" been up there on stage with Meat. She's a very talented performer, and a very nice woman as well. I'll miss her. Best of luck and good fortune, CC!!
-Kathy

[Vickip]

I wish CC the best of luck. She is a joy to speak with and a fun, fun soul.

IMO: Overall I don't understand why people find the need to "feature" people in the Meat's band all the time. They work hard as a unit to put on a fantastic show FOR Meat Loaf, not FOR themselves. It is a Meat Loaf show not a variety medley. I know I speak as one person, but I go there to see/hear Meat sing Meat songs, then tear the roof off the house with Rock and Roll.

I have to say, Meat sure knows how to spot talent. Each one of the NLE has the ability to take on personal solo adventures and some have done so and left the band. At the very least, the members of the NLE are possibly showcased enough to start a following and grow.

Very well said Suzie .. I absolutely agree.

[heidi]

CC joined the band at the same time I started going to shows! So for me, she's "always" been up there on stage with Meat. She's a very talented performer, and a very nice woman as well. I'll miss her. Best of luck and good fortune, CC!!
-Kathy

i agree, kathy. i will miss her too.

ALL THE BEST TO YOU, CC!!!!

[renegadeangel]

Meat said he is recording another album in 2011.

That is good news. When did he say that and who is he working with?

[Smithie]

IMO: Overall I don't understand why people find the need to "feature" people in the Meat's band all the time. They work hard as a unit to put on a fantastic show FOR Meat Loaf, not FOR themselves. It is a Meat Loaf show not a variety medley. I know I speak as one person, but I go there to see/hear Meat sing Meat songs, then tear the roof off the house with Rock and Roll.



Yes, it is a Meat show but he couldn't do the show without his band and he has a very talented band so I appreciate seeing each of their talent showcased. The guys in the band get numerous solos on their instruments during the show and it would be nice to hear Patti sing more too. For instance, the Leno performance was perfect with the smaller band because everyone was showcased well.
IMO, I hope they don't add another backing singer because Patti, Randy, Justin, Dave, and Danny (all fine singers) already sing backup. Meat's voice sounds so amazing so it would be a shame to cover it up with more backing vocals.



[Quote: renegadeangle: That is good news. When did he say that and who is he working with?]

There is a thread called "another new album" in General Messages http://www.mlukfc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15535

[Steve6]

Will he get someone to replace CC? Aspen Miller maybe? Even though I'm not a big fan of hers at all. He's running a bit low on people to sing backing vocals live with Kasim gone too. The other members of the band are ok singers. CC will need to be replaced!!!

[Smithie]

Will he get someone to replace CC? Aspen Miller maybe? Even though I'm not a big fan of hers at all. He's running a bit low on people to sing backing vocals live with Kasim gone too. The other members of the band are ok singers. CC will need to be replaced!!!


Running low?? Patti and 4 guys in the band sing backup.

[lisa01]

I personaly will miss her and i would just like to say that cc will be missed by everyone of us who have supported her over the years as part of meat loafs band. i would like to wish her the very best of luck for the futre

[suzieq]

Will he get someone to replace CC? Aspen Miller maybe?

Had a thought today that if he has to have a replacement, the singer named Georgia (sang on HCTB) in one of the tweets could be a candidate. :shrug:

[Sue K]

Imo and speaking only for myself, the NLE will remain fab without a replacement for CC. Meat came onto my music radar with the release of Bat 2 and the first meatie show I attended was in 1994. NLE then consisted of Steve, Pat, Patti, Marc, John and Kasim. I think I'm counting every one. The first I remember Pearl on board was when I saw Meat during the WTTN tour. So, I think I'm good with the band as it is now ... :D ...

[Steingirl]

Will he get someone to replace CC? Aspen Miller maybe? Even though I'm not a big fan of hers at all. He's running a bit low on people to sing backing vocals live with Kasim gone too. The other members of the band are ok singers.

Do you realize how many band members you insulted in one comment? First of all, Patti is one of the best singers in the world, as Meat himself has said, and she is absolutely gorgeous too. The guys who sing in the band are also wonderful singers with voices strong enough to be lead singers. Unless you have seen the show, you don't know how great the new guys sound in the band. As for Aspen, she is singing in a musical with her husband so you don't have to worry about her returning, since you are not a fan of hers.

[Steingirl]

Good luck to CC. I know she will do great things.


Imo and speaking only for myself, the NLE will remain fab without a replacement for CC. Meat came onto my music radar with the release of Bat 2 and the first meatie show I attended was in 1994. NLE then consisted of Steve, Pat, Patti, Marc, John and Kasim. I think I'm counting every one. The first I remember Pearl on board was when I saw Meat during the WTTN tour. So, I think I'm good with the band as it is now ... :D ...

I agree with you Tink. There is a band of well-rehearsed pros on Meat's stage who know the show inside and out. Adding a necomer at a late date could disrupt the chemistry in the band and disrupt the flow of the show. LOTO sounded better than ever on The Tonight Show, so one thing is certain. The tour is definitely going to rock!

[LucyK!]

As I said above, I don't think the position of second backing singer is needed whilst Patti's on lead, so I don't think CC needs replacing.

In regards the voices of the rest of the band, the one I think is really underrated is Randy...he has a graet voice, I was suprised how strong he was when he sang wtih Marion during her set, with Kasim leaving I'm sure he's been able to step up and fill most (if not all) of the gap vocally.

[Pudding]

Do you realize how many band members you insulted in one comment?
He stated a fact, that's hardly insulting.

Good luck to CC. I know she will do great things.
You know this because she's done great things when not with Meat Loaf? :shrug:

Apart from a biy of eye-candy, I never really saw the point of CC being in the band, Patti on her own in the 90's did just fine.

Maybe she left because she wanted to have her own career, I don't believe it to be honest. She could do whatever she wanted after the tour and have a nice wad of cash in her back pocket. Maybe the powers that be on the tour need to save some money and she's the most obvious choice to let go.

Hope she finds success elsewhere.

[A Slice Of English]

CC already has an album out to her credit. I hope she'll be successful too.

[Pudding]

Anyone can knock out an album these days. But as far as I'm aware though, it didn't do that great :shrug:

[A Slice Of English]

It is good though, in my opinion.

[GDW]

I hope they weren't cutting costs for the Big Trip Downunder in March, that's if it does happen .:??::twisted:

[Pudding]

Maybe she got replaced in favour of Pearl :shrug:

[Smithie]

Maybe she got replaced in favour of Pearl :shrug:

Nope. Pearl posted that she is signing albums and meeting fans at the merch stand right after she opens the UK shows. She did at the US shows too. With the poor economy, you are probably right about the band being downsized and that role is not really needed. Like on the live recording of Hot Patootie, the only voices I can hear are Meat and Patti's. No sense in paying someone else when they already have the vocals covered.

[The Flying Mouse]

:twisted: Conspiracy theories :facepalm:

CC has said she wants to do her own thing.
Is thatso unbelievable?

With Meat coming to the end of his career (he had to have his arm twisted to tour outside the US for this album, amongst a lot of anger from fans) it's only natural that the band members are looking at other options for their future.

CC herself has told us why she's left and I see no reason to take what she's said at face value instad of looking for alteriour motives.

Especially when there is not a single shred of evidence to suggest otherwise.

IMHO it's disrespectful to even suggest that CC is lying about why she's left the band, and insulting to Meat that he's fired her to save a couple of quid.

[Smithie]

:twisted: Conspiracy theories :facepalm:



IMHO it's disrespectful to even suggest that CC is lying about why she's left the band, and insulting to Meat that he's fired her to save a couple of quid.

Not at all. No one said that CC lied because she never actually said that she chose to leave the band. She said that she isn't touring on the UK tour and she will pursue her own career. And no one said Meat fired her but it might have been a mutual decision. It's just the wording of her post that might make someone question. CC thanked the fans but not Meat. But the debate doesn't matter at all because Meat's show is going to blow the roof off the UK arenas and I can't wait for the show to return to the States.

[CarylB]

:twisted: Conspiracy theories :facepalm:

CC has said she wants to do her own thing.
Is thatso unbelievable?



Not in my view, and I agree Mouse that it's complete and unhelpful speculation to suggest anything other than the reason she has given.

However you also wrote:

With Meat coming to the end of his career (he had to have his arm twisted to tour outside the US for this album, amongst a lot of anger from fans) .......


I would take issue with that. Meat has never expressed any reluctance to tour outside the US to promote HCTB .. he originally posted when we were asking about dates that he didn't think he would be touring in Europe. That doesn't (nor did it at the time) suggest to me that he didn't WANT to, merely that he was experiencing difficulty in arranging it. IMO he continued to work to get a promoter on-side (which he ultimately achieved) because he wanted to tour here .. not because some fans got shirty. Any suggestion it was the latter, rather than difficulty in securing backing for a tour here has no evidence to support it.

Caryl

[Pudding]

CC has said she wants to do her own thing.
Is thatso unbelievable?

That's what Kasim and Mark said, then mentioned that they didn't want to be on a sinking ship (something like that). Also the reason given for Patti leaving pre-Bat3 tours was for her 'to do her own thing' to which we now know to be a bit different.

You should never close your mind to all possibilities, as that leads to ignorance.

[BostonAngel]

I wish CC the best of luck. She has been playing gigs with her own band here in the northeast of the US at least since 2008. And, of course, she was touring with Meat even prior to that. I have been to several of her gigs. She has a strong voice and ALWAYS has a packed house at any of her shows. She has in fact released 2 albums on her own here in the US. She has a big following in the US especially in the NY/NJ area. I think it came to a point that it was harder & harder for her to do both. She had to make a choice. And since her following here in the states is continually growing, she made the difficult decision to concentrate on her own career. As others have said she was "eye candy" in the band and "didn't have much to do" - "didn't really add anything".
She definitely has the vocal ability and the talent to make it on her own. I am sure she will be a great success. I wish her the very best. And I can't wait to get see her perform again.
Yes, this is coming from someone with the screen name ccfan. How did I become such a fan? By watching her perform both with Meat and as a solo act. And also by being lucky enough to have spoken with her personally on several occasions. She is sweet, fun, generous, down to earth, looks gorgeous, has a beautiful voice and is a truly talented performer. That's my opinion. CC rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AndyK]

You should never close your mind to all possibilities, as that leads to ignorance.

There appears to be a very fine line though between keeping an open mind and speculating. Which is pretty much where this thread is heading. Unless there are hard and fast facts to back up a theory then it's nothing more than pointless speculation, which leads nowhere.

[glamourgirl]

In interviews, Meat said that he is having fun on the HCTB tour and that he is looking forward to the upcoming shows. I am just glad that Meat is touring. I am glad that Patti is still touring with him. And I am glad that more North American shows are being added for 2011.

This thread no longer serves a purpose. We all wish CC well, so let's move on. Let's get ready to rock!!!

[Pudding]

There appears to be a very fine line though between keeping an open mind and speculating. Which is pretty much where this thread is heading. Unless there are hard and fast facts to back up a theory then it's nothing more than pointless speculation, which leads nowhere.

Most of the forum is made up of pointless speculation. As for hard and fast facts, if CC gets replaced, then indeed I was talking shit ;)

[CarylB]

And if she isn't replaced .. it's still speculation to suggest any reason other than the one she has given.

Caryl

[Pudding]

And if she isn't replaced and the shows rock, was she ever needed in the first place? :shrug:

[AndyK]

You could say that about any of the members of the NLE over the decades, the band line up has changed pretty frequently and the live shows have still rocked.

To ask the question "was she needed" is fairly insulting don't you think? Whatever the contribution, CC made a contribution to the band and to the shows and to our entertainment. For that she deserves a little more respect I think.

[Sue K]

Imo and speaking only for myself, the NLE will remain fab without a replacement for CC. Meat came onto my music radar with the release of Bat 2 and the first meatie show I attended was in 1994. NLE then consisted of Steve, Pat, Patti, Marc, John and Kasim. I think I'm counting every one. The first I remember Pearl on board was when I saw Meat during the WTTN tour. So, I think I'm good with the band as it is now ... :D ...

Best wishes and lots of luck to go along with that talent of yours, CC, you RockNRoll chickie~babe girlfriend, you ! You will be missed ... xo

[Pudding]

To ask the question "was she needed" is fairly insulting don't you think?

Absolutely...NOT!

I know you liked CC as a bit of eye-candy, but I'm a bit more substantive. If she was that important how come they drafted in Aspen Miller when Patti wasn't there, instead of making CC leading lady?

[AndyK]

Absolutely...NOT!

I know you liked CC as a bit of eye-candy, but I'm a bit more substantive. If she was that important how come they drafted in Aspen Miller when Patti wasn't there, instead of making CC leading lady?

Being so important to be irreplaceable is one thing, but being important enough to have made a positive contribution is another and the latter is my point. To questiono if her contribution is needless doesn't need to delve into why her contribution wasn't increased when the opportunity was there (and if you remember I was vocal about CC being given the opportunity to step up when Patti left). But, I suspect you knew that all along. ;-)

[Pudding]

But, I suspect you knew that all along. ;-)

Are you suggesting I would purposely yank your chain?...:saint:

[Jayd]

Absolutely...NOT!

If she was that important how come they drafted in Aspen Miller when Patti wasn't there, instead of making CC leading lady?

Very good point. I honestly don't think CC needs replacing, the NLE is good enough with one lady in it. :D

[ForeverInBat]

I wish to thank CC Coletti for her efforts and superb performances with the NLE. She has been an amazing band member for years now and fast became my favourite, particularly during Bat3 tour. I wish her every success in the future and with her own solo career. She will be missed.


Now for the rant,,, what really annoys me about these forums is the fact that people cant simply have thread where they can say farewell or make comments on their favourite band members. At some point the idiots come out with ridiculous comments and insults to the rest.

To say the CC's position was never needed is a massive insult to the lady, and it makes me feel sick to think how people can turn so quickly. She was loved by all then when she leaves, ahh she wasnt really needed anyway. Its ridiculous.

For people to start discussing Aspen, then dismiss her, why!! What the hell has she done to deserve that, its just Patti fans with a grudge.

Speaking of which, I see all the Patti fans are back out in force, OMG didnt see that coming. Can forum members realise that there is more to the band than Patti. As for her being one of the greatest singers in the world, for me she is good but nothing special. If she was as great as everyone believes her to be, she wouldve done more. As for Meat's comments, well after the mess he made before Bat 3 he would say anything to keep Patti on side.

I am a Meat fan, I couldnt care less about who is in the band so long as they do the jobs they are paid to do, occasionally a favourite comes along - CC- but nevertheless, its Meat we got to see.

Im sure that when I go to the show next month it will be fantastic, regardless of who is in the band.

Brgds

C

[LucyK!]

Now for the rant,,, what really annoys me about these forums is the fact that people cant simply have thread where they can say farewell or make comments on their favourite band members. At some point the idiots come out with ridiculous comments and insults to the rest.

***

Can forum members realise that there is more to the band than Patti. As for her being one of the greatest singers in the world, for me she is good but nothing special. If she was as great as everyone believes her to be, she wouldve done more.

Surely your above comments about Patti are the exact thing you've complained about regarding CC? :?

I don't think anyone here is saying that CC wasn't needed or didn't make a worthwhile contribution, I think what people are getting at is that the role of Second Female Vocalist/Backing Singer is a role that isn't essential whilst someone as strong as Patti is in the band. No-one is personally attacking CC, I'm sure the same comments would have come up whether that role had been CC, Aspen, Pearl...anyone.

[ForeverInBat]

Patti's role as lead singer has never been questioned and she has been good in the role. I just dont agree with the comments that shes world class and all that.

Before posting I read carefully through all the posts on this thread, and sorry but if yu have read them, you would see that CC's position in the band has been questioned throughout, whether or not the mention her by name is irrellevant, the fact they question the 2nd lady position is an attack on CC. And this is disrespectful.

My comments regarding Patti, maybe they are a bit strong, for me I have never been a massive Patti fan and the fact she left and came back meant nothing to me, Aspen's time in the band was something of interest to me, but purely on vocal terms. But Patti has been good in the role, she does deserve credit for that! I shouldve added that, after my criticism.

[LucyK!]

Before posting I read carefully through all the posts on this thread, and sorry but if yu have read them, you would see that CC's position in the band has been questioned throughout, whether or not the mention her by name is irrellevant, the fact they question the 2nd lady position is an attack on CC. And this is disrespectful.



Yes CC's position in the band has been questioned, but as I've already said (at least twice now, actually) it is not a personal issue about CC, it's about whether the NLE needs two female singers at all, whether it's CC or anyone else.

If people had a debate as to whether the NLE needs a saxophonist it's not a personal attack on Dave Luther, it's discussing whether the instrument is needed. In this case, people are debating whether a second female voice is needed, regardless of who that voice belongs to. I'm sure the same conversations were had when Pearl joined and left the band back in the 90's.

In regards to your comments about Patti, I find it odd that you find it disrespectful to CC to discuss the role of second backing singer whether her name was mentioned or not but you'll openly describe Patti as "nothing special" think that's ok...

[ForeverInBat]

Yes i do find it disrespectful, on a thread dedicated to forum members saying goodbye to a much loved band member, they use it as a means of slating the position she held. If I was her, or Pearl or whoever has held the title of 2nd lady I would find it extremely disrespectful to hear that the fans dont see the point of their being there and therefore their efforts unappreciated.

My comments re; Patti are placed in the same vain that everyone seems to feel the need to shout about the supposed world class ability of the woman, but i shudve guessed that opinions that dont match the more senior of members on here are treated as if i have commited some crime, maybe the senior members should realise that everyone has their own opinions and if they dont like the more junior members voicing their opinions the they should stop accepting members.

[Evil One]

Or maybe it has nothing to do with junior and senior members and more to do with certain members feeling that their opinions are more important than everyone else's. :shrug:

[TheDoode]

I think what Lucy is saying is that you're coming down on people for slating CC ... and then in the same breath you're doing exactly the same thing and slating Patti. You have to see this. Tell me that you see this? Where's Wally?

Did ya see him?

Word.

D.

[LucyK!]

but i shudve guessed that opinions that dont match the more senior of members on here are treated as if i have commited some crime, maybe the senior members should realise that everyone has their own opinions and if they dont like the more junior members voicing their opinions the they should stop accepting members.

Absolute rubbish, how long people have been members here is as irrelevant as gender, height, weight or shoe size. Of course everyone has their own opinions and everyone's entitled to voice them. What I was saying - as The Doode pointed out - is that you did the same thing to Patti that you took offence at with CC.

Or maybe it has nothing to do with junior and senior members and more to do with certain members feeling that their opinions are more important than everyone else's. :shrug:

If that's aimed at me then you are so far off the mark, and to be honest it's just stirring. No-one's opinion is more important than anyone else's. C.D.M. posted their opinion, I read it and gave my opinion based on it, and as far as I'm concerned there's no disrespect involved. It's a shame that it couldn't just be an exchange of opinions or reasoned debate and has instead decended into someone apparently being a vicitm of having not been here long enough.

[Evil One]

I was not aiming for Lucy.

[LucyK!]

In which case I hope you'll accept my apologies.

[Evil One]

I'll think about it! :-P

[The Flying Mouse]

:twisted: I agree with everything said in praise of CC.
I don't agree with a single word attacking Patti.


Does the band need a second female vocal?

Does a fat man need one more pie?

No, but it puts a smile on his face.

If we were to consider only what Meat "needs" he'd be in a 4 piece band.
CC has brought a lot to the role.
I liked her playing guitar, I liked her vocal work (especially her performance of 45 Seconds and how it worked so well in the show).
She did a great jod.Added another dimention.Again, to mention particular songs, Gimme Shelter was much stronger for her involvement, as was my personal concert favourite song (apart from Bat :wink: ) Lemon.
That is just to mention a couple of personal favourites.
And yes, she was also easy on the eye.I don't have a problem with that, and i'm certainly not going to hold it agaist her :shrug:

Being lucky enough to meet her a couple of times, I can also testify that she is a genuinley nice person who took time to say hi to the fans, sign autographs, pose for photos, even after a hard night performing with the band.
She even seemed to enjoy doing that.


Was she a vital part of the band?
No.

Did she enhance the band with her talent?
Did her contribution bring a new dimention to certain songs?
Was she a warm and gracious presence while meeting fans?
Will she be missed by many?
Yes, to all of the above.

I don't blame Meat if he doesn't replace her as her role was not a vital one, but she sure as hell brought a lot to the extra role.

A quote springs to mind from American Yakuza (classic movie huh?) that goes something like........

"If all I wanted was what I need, i'd be living in a cardboard box with a blow up doll".

[Pudding]

maybe the senior members should realise that everyone has their own opinions and if they dont like the more junior members voicing their opinions the they should stop accepting members.
I didn't realise there was senior and junior members...what the f*ck? :nuts: I don't think you need to go all Susan Boyle crazy, just because someone doesn't post something you like...PEBBLES!!!

Does a fat man need one more pie?


http://www.bookapex.com/images/More-Pies-043953285X-L.jpg

[BostonAngel]

:twisted: I agree with everything said in praise of CC.
I don't agree with a single word attacking Patti. ......
Was she a vital part of the band?
No.
Did she enhance the band with her talent?
Did her contribution bring a new dimention to certain songs?
Was she a warm and gracious presence while meeting fans?
Will she be missed by many?
Yes, to all of the above.

I don't blame Meat if he doesn't replace her as her role was not a vital one, but she sure as hell brought a lot to the extra role.



Very well said! Sums it up quite nicely.

[A Slice Of English]

I wonder if this means we will get a different version of the tour guide at the UK concerts? I already have a US version...

[24K]

Interesting, guess we will have to wait and see !

[*originaldancechick]

You'll be a sad miss CC. Sorry you are going. Luv cx

[AndrewG]

I wonder if this means we will get a different version of the tour guide at the UK concerts? I already have a US version...

Maybe just one with photos of CC cut out.

[Evil One]

As opposed to photos of CC with bits cut out? :whistle:

[AndyK]

School's finished for the weekend boys, save the playground humour till Monday ;-)

[Evil One]

Wario will be in charge on Monday so it won't be your problem! :lmao:

[AndrewG]

Don't they usually make different tour books for these tours anyway, if there is one at least? Never saw one on Casa I think, but then Meat Loaf merchandise is something I've not been that fussed about over the last several years.

[A Slice Of English]

I always like to get a tour programme and was most disappointed when there wasn't one on the Casa tour. I will check out the programmes at the concert on Wednesday and if it is at all different to the one I bought from .net then I will be getting it for sure.

[allrevvedup]

I always like to get a tour programme and was most disappointed when there wasn't one on the Casa tour. I will check out the programmes at the concert on Wednesday and if it is at all different to the one I bought from .net then I will be getting it for sure.

they had the shot glasses from 3 bats on the casa tour so i wouldn't hold my breath for anything fantastic this time around.

[A Slice Of English]

I'm not into the knick-knacks, more into owning one tour t-shirt and the programme :)

[Pudding]

Would be nice to get the opportunity to look at the knick-knacks :(

[Jayd]

I'm not into the knick-knacks

I like the Spicy Rib Knick Knacks :lol:

[batoutofhell3]

I'm sad to hear this! Hope her career booms for her though :)