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Bad For Good
Stark Raving Love
Rock & Roll Dreams
Left In The Dark
Surfs Up
Lost Boys & Golden Girls
Dance In My Pants
The Storm
Frying Pan
evil nickname
09 Sep 2010, 09:29
Rock and Roll Dreams
Bad for Good
Surf's Up
Left in the Dark
Frying Pan
Stark Raving Love
Dance in My Pants
Lost Boys and Golden Girls
The Storm
Love & Death & An American Guitar
Mr. Happy
09 Sep 2010, 09:41
Surf's Up
Left in the Dark
Stark Raving Love
Out of the Frying Pan (And Into The Fire)
Lost Boys and Golden Girls
Rock and Roll Dreams Come Through
Bad for Good
Dance in My Pants
The Storm
Love & Death & An American Guitar
All are Fantastic. Just press random.:D
Bad For Good
Dance in my Pants
Out of the Frying Pan (And Into the Fire)
Left in the Dark
Stark Raving Love
Lost Boys and Golden Girls
Surf's Up
Rock and Roll Dreams Come Through
The Storm
Left in the Dark
Bad for Good
Surfs Up
Rock N Roll Dreams
Stark Raving Love
Out of the Frying Pan
Dance in my Pance
The Storm
Lost Boys and Golden Girls
Evil One
09 Sep 2010, 19:55
Bad For Good
Out Of The Frying Pan
Left In The Dark
Surf's Up
Rock And Roll Dreams
Dance In My Pants
Stark Raving Love
Lost Boys & Golden Girls
The Storm
Love, Death And An Amercian Guitar
This album should have been called "Renegade Angel" who knows what the songs could have been like had the song book not being stolen. Some thief is sitting at home with Jim Steinman's lost works. It's probaly hidden in some attic never to be found again. :(
allrevvedup
10 Sep 2010, 15:54
Bad For Good
Left In The Dark
The Storm
Lost Boys & Golden Girls
Frying Pan
Rock & Roll Dreams
Surfs Up
Love, Death And An American Guitar
Dance In My Pants
(and by a country mile, last and certainly least)
Stark Raving Love
(and by a country mile, last and certainly least)
Stark Raving Love
Ah yes the song that was recycled into "Holding Out for a Hero". I quiet liked it though. ;)
Evil One
10 Sep 2010, 19:48
This album should have been called "Renegade Angel" who knows what the songs could have been like had the song book not being stolen. Some thief is sitting at home with Jim Steinman's lost works. It's probaly hidden in some attic never to be found again. :(
This album should never have been recorded by Jim. He shouldn't have been so impatient and waited until Meat was ready. He couldn't have been short of a bob or two. :shrug:
This album should never have been recorded by Jim. He shouldn't have been so impatient and waited until Meat was ready. He couldn't have been short of a bob or two. :shrug:
This is true. if he waited two years, by 1983 Meat was back and better then ever and then improved more drastically in 1985.
But I believe it was the record company, not Jim himself, that was rushing production. The Record company wasn't patient and Jim was under contract.
its still one of the most tragic stories in music history. This album had so much potential.
Evil One
10 Sep 2010, 20:18
The record company had Dead Ringer to keep them happy. I think BFG was just arrogance on Jim's part.
The record company had Dead Ringer to keep them happy. I think BFG was just arrogance on Jim's part.
Meat's voice was gone and he was suffering a mental breakdown around that period too. It certainly wasn't any of Jim's fault. The record company were demanding a follow up to BOOH and Jim had to record Bad for Good himself, because Meat was in no position mentally or vocally to do so. Plus his relationship with Jim was starting to show cracks. Jim either released Bad for good or got his ass sued. You can't say "Oh he should have waited a few years"; when you are contracted to release a record by your record company you bloody well have to. They can buy and sell your ass in a heartbeat. We all know Jim could wait a decade or two to release an album, but Bad For Good had to be done. End of story.
Jim is a good singer, but he was no where near as good as Meat Loaf. I liked BFG for what it was, but it could have been better. Meat from my understanding hated all the songs on Bad for Good when he heard them at the time. Even though he did record most of them in later years.
Pudding
10 Sep 2010, 23:14
It certainly wasn't any of Jim's fault. The record company were demanding a follow up to BOOH and Jim had to record Bad for Good himself, because Meat was in no position mentally or vocally to do so.
Who gives you your information or do you just make shit up?
Jim DIDN'T have to record Bad For Good at all. As Evil One mentions, it was arrogance on Jims part that he did.
Who gives you your information or do you just make shit up?
Jim DIDN'T have to record Bad For Good at all. As Evil One mentions, it was arrogance on Jims part that he did.
But Meat WAS to record BFG. He even recorded a few tracks..but his voice was shot, and he had a nervous breakdown. This was all well documented as you know, and Jim had to step in and fill his shoes.
Evil One
10 Sep 2010, 23:27
Jim had to step in and fill his shoes.
No he didn't, because Meat did record Dead Ringer. Jim chose to step into Meat's shoes.
duke knooby
10 Sep 2010, 23:30
Jim chose to step into Meat's shoes.
cause he couldn't bare those songs to go unheard?
cause he was upset at meats billing as no.1?
who knows... all we can do is speculate at something we know ~~~~~~ all about
Pudding
10 Sep 2010, 23:32
Meat's voice was gone and he was suffering a mental breakdown
But Meat WAS to record BFG...but his voice was shot, and he had a nervous breakdown.
Make your mind up, was it a mental or nervous breakdown :shrug: which one are you having at the monet?
Evil One
10 Sep 2010, 23:36
cause he couldn't bare those songs to go unheard?
cause he was upset at meats billing as no.1?
who knows... all we can do is speculate at something we know ~~~~~~ all about
I think I've read Jim give the answer as option one, but I would suspect a bit of option two must have came into it. Jim has always played the waiting game with everything else.
duke knooby
10 Sep 2010, 23:39
I think I've read Jim give the answer as option one, but I would suspect a bit of option two must have came into it. Jim has always played the waiting game with everything else.
thats what i was thinkin... he's not known for being one to get the music pushed out as it HAS to be heard.. just speculation of course
No he didn't, because Meat did record Dead Ringer. Jim chose to step into Meat's shoes.
He was forced to step into Meat's shoes because Meat couldn't record BFG. They were both tied down to record it originally by the record company...but Meat had problems, and had to pull out leaving Jim to tie up the loose ends. That was NOT Jim's choice...the record company were planning the release of the record long before Meat pulled out. When he did the situation never changed; a record had to hit the shelves.
Pudding a nervous breakdown and a mental breakdown are the same thing anyway. :lmao::lmao::lmao:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_breakdown
Evil One
10 Sep 2010, 23:45
He was forced to step into Meat's shoes because Meat couldn't record BFG
But Meat recorded Dead ~~~~ing Ringer at the same time! You are inventing facts to suit your arguement. :wall:
can people please rank the songs G-L?
duke knooby
10 Sep 2010, 23:49
can people please rank the songs G-L?
spot the wannabe mod
ive a question though...
are the songs being ranked as songs, or are the songs being ranked as that version of the song?
Pudding
10 Sep 2010, 23:49
You are inventing facts to suit your arguement. :wall:
He HAS an argument :wtf: I thought he was just talking shit :shrug:
spot the wannabe mod
ive a question though...
are the songs being ranked as songs, or are the songs being ranked as that version of the song?
that version of the song of course ;)
thats why frying pan is dead last. its not a jim song jim can sing
Evil One
10 Sep 2010, 23:53
But the arrangement is far superior to that of Bat 2. It's a shame about the singing though.
duke knooby
10 Sep 2010, 23:54
thats why frying pan is dead last. its not a jim song jim can sing
what about the jim songs rory sang? are they included?
My rating is the whole lot is shite, sorry but imo Jim can't sing, i listened to it a few times, but just did nowt for me !
However as a songwriter Jim is immense !
what about the jim songs rory sang? are they included?
of course
I've but forward some facts which are the truth in my opinion, and I'm leaving it at that. Jim didn't get greedy or look for self glory. The gun was put to his head and he had to release the album. An album that Meat Loaf didn't like and probaly didn't want to record anyway even though he couldn't. If Jim was becoming so self obsessed and wanting all the attention for himself why give Meat Loaf a whole album of songs to record?
Evil One
11 Sep 2010, 00:02
I've but forward some facts which are the truth in my opinion
Research the meaning of these three words. It is important.
Pudding
11 Sep 2010, 00:03
My rating is the whole lot is shite, sorry but imo Jim can't sing, i listened to it a few times, but just did nowt for me !
What about the songs Jim didn't sing on?
Evil One
11 Sep 2010, 00:08
I don't really think much to Rory Dodd's singing either if I'm honest.
What about the songs Jim didn't sing on?
I have to say when I heard the record I thought it was Jim all the way through. His voice is identical to Rory Dodds. You can paint both of them with the same brush to be fair. :yep:
*Recalling Bad For Good*: Great songs, weak vocals, risible videos.
What about the songs Jim didn't sing on?
To be fair its 2 years since i listened to it, what i should have said was that i think Jim can't sing. I do remember the duet Karla did Dance in My Pants i thought was canny. In honesty i suppose i need to listen to it again and then comment on what i thought of the songs that Jim didn't sing on. I just couldn't get into it much, so did not perserve with it.
Evil One
11 Sep 2010, 00:34
I think the overall quality of the production is not on a par with Bat Out Of Hell. It may not have been done on the cheap, but it sort of sounds like it.
I think the overall quality of the production is not on a par with Bat Out Of Hell. It may not have been done on the cheap, but it sort of sounds like it.
I agree with that totally, and the one thing that annoyed me most when listening to the record was the drums. They sounded like thrash cans, and were way to overwhelming to be honest.
Fire Ball
11 Sep 2010, 10:06
Meat's voice was gone and he was suffering a mental breakdown around that period too. It certainly wasn't any of Jim's fault. The record company were demanding a follow up to BOOH and Jim had to record Bad for Good himself, because Meat was in no position mentally or vocally to do so. Plus his relationship with Jim was starting to show cracks. Jim either released Bad for good or got his ass sued. You can't say "Oh he should have waited a few years"; when you are contracted to release a record by your record company you bloody well have to. They can buy and sell your ass in a heartbeat. We all know Jim could wait a decade or two to release an album, but Bad For Good had to be done. End of story.
Jim is a good singer, but he was no where near as good as Meat Loaf. I liked BFG for what it was, but it could have been better. Meat from my understanding hated all the songs on Bad for Good when he heard them at the time. Even though he did record most of them in later years.
Nothing that you wrote is true ! About the record Co. or being sued. Jim was not on the contract. End of story, BS
Pudding
11 Sep 2010, 10:19
Nothing that you wrote is true !
That's hardly a revelation. Steve6 is very temperamental, that's 50% temper and 50% mental...LOL
So much for his "common sense". :))
Fire Ball
11 Sep 2010, 10:23
I have to say when I heard the record I thought it was Jim all the way through. His voice is identical to Rory Dodds. You can paint both of them with the same brush to be fair. :yep:
MOST OF THE ALBUM IS RORY !!
Evil One
11 Sep 2010, 11:09
MOST OF THE ALBUM IS RORY !!
I thought it was about half and half? Either way Jim should have stuck to writing and left the singing to those who can actually sing. :twisted:
MOST OF THE ALBUM IS RORY !!
Who was Milli and who was Vanilli?:??::shock::lol:
Nothing that you wrote is true ! About the record Co. or being sued. Jim was not on the contract. End of story, BS
What is the truth then? Wasn't Bad for Good supposed to be Renegade Angel? Didn' the original songbook get stolen? Did Jim get greedy and go for self glory on BFG? You did say you hated the songs on BFG!!
daveake
11 Sep 2010, 19:18
MOST OF THE ALBUM IS RORY !!
We should put you in touch with Mad Susan from Rockman. She'd put you straight ... :lmao:
JIM:
Bad For Good
Stark Raving Love
Left In The Dark
Dance In My Pants
Frying Pan
RORY:
Lost Boys & Golden Girls
Surfs Up
Rock & Roll Dreams
most of the lead is jim, but rory is on every track (as BG Vocal)
Pudding
11 Sep 2010, 23:55
What is the truth then?
If you got told the truth would you believe it? Seems lately you you have an agenda on versions of facts.
If you got told the truth would you believe it? Seems lately you you have an agenda on versions of facts.
:yep:
The facts of BFG were disputed by me, because a lot of the sources that I heard my info from were reliable.
Meat Loaf didn't like the songs on BFG he said that himself that's not a lie.
Meat Loaf lost his voice around that period, and couldn't sing the songs..that was well documented.
His relationship with Jim Steinman was starting to show cracks...that was also well documented..
I thought I was right about the contract, but Fireball cleared that up for me. Jim wasn't on the contract.
But one thing that confuses me... Meat must have been on the contract to sing BFG aka Renegade Angel, because it WAS planned as the follow up to BOOH. I can't see why Jim would plan to do BFG without Meat. But the question is did Jim really get greedy then??? and go for self glory?? It could be something that will never get answered.
duke knooby
12 Sep 2010, 00:52
Meat must have been on the contract to sing BFG aka Renegade Angel, because it WAS planned as the follow up to BOOH.
i bet meat wished he knew he was contracted to sing bfg/renegade angel :lmao:
Pudding
12 Sep 2010, 01:45
But one thing that confuses me...
Only the one?
Well I can only think of the one thing at the minute. But do you think he was originally contracted to sing BFG?
AndrewG
12 Sep 2010, 03:11
Well I can only think of the one thing at the minute. But do you think he was originally contracted to sing BFG?
Why don't you ask Meat or Jim? You are just fuelling all sorts of conspiracies and rumours. No wonder Meat told you, you were wrong.
Back to ranking:
Left In The Dark
Bad For Good
Surfs Up
Frying Pan
Rock & Roll Dreams
Dance In My Pants
The Storm
Love and Death and an American Guitar
Stark Raving Love
Lost Boys & Golden Girls
Fire Ball
12 Sep 2010, 11:22
The facts of BFG were disputed by me, because a lot of the sources that I heard my info from were reliable.
Meat Loaf didn't like the songs on BFG he said that himself that's not a lie.
Meat Loaf lost his voice around that period, and couldn't sing the songs..that was well documented.
His relationship with Jim Steinman was starting to show cracks...that was also well documented..
I thought I was right about the contract, but Fireball cleared that up for me. Jim wasn't on the contract.
But one thing that confuses me... Meat must have been on the contract to sing BFG aka Renegade Angel, because it WAS planned as the follow up to BOOH. I can't see why Jim would plan to do BFG without Meat. But the question is did Jim really get greedy then??? and go for self glory?? It could be something that will never get answered.
that is not the truth. didn't like stark raving love or DIMP . LOVE THE REST
get your facts right !!! All they had to do was wait a few more months there was no rush. What do they say" money is the root of all evil "!!
Truth !!
Fire Ball
12 Sep 2010, 11:31
We should put you in touch with Mad Susan from Rockman. She'd put you straight ... :lmao:
Mad Susan ,LOL tell her to glad in the same clothes she got mad in. Or go into rehab. The Pool at the Hardrock in vegas and get laid and drunk. Maybe she doesn't have a beach body like I do. !! :-)
m
Fire Ball
12 Sep 2010, 11:59
Well I can only think of the one thing at the minute. But do you think he was originally contracted to sing BFG?
Of course it was my contract. Jim wanted his own record bottom line !! Everyone around him told him he didn't need me !! Oh that's right ! I did nothing to break Bat !! Sorry I forgot, Mad Susan will tell you that it was all Jim . Nothing to do with Todd or Me ! or Roy , Max . or people who really believed at the record co . Or John who got us on Sat. Night Live . Which really broke Bat in May of 1978. History always gets rewritten. Or John Skyes who got 2outa 3 on the radio in Buffalo , where it broke . I have never said, it was all me, my ego is very shallow. I'm the plumber who fixes the sink. Then hope you hire me again.
m
Read This,
This is about right !!
http://www.tv.com/interviews-for-burning-bright/webnews/145908.html
Yes I wear my heart on a sleeve , and am a fighter, hate lies, and people who change history. but a teddy bear. been told by 100's I am too nice of a person. except for mad susan :-) love that name mad susan!!!
MAD SUSAN !!!!! DAM SANSU !! That's a good battle knight name.
M
Meat. Maybe back in 1981 you could have used the best songs off Bad For Good and the best songs off Deadringer and called it Badringer, a double album. The first record sung by you and the second record by Jim. Just a thought.:D:-):??:
daveake
12 Sep 2010, 13:17
Mad Susan ,LOL tell her to ... go into rehab. ... get laid and drunk.
Looks like she only managed 1 outta 3 but it didn't work :-( :lol:
Of course it was my contract. Jim wanted his own record bottom line !! Everyone around him told him he didn't need me !! Oh that's right ! I did nothing to break Bat !! Sorry I forgot, Mad Susan will tell you that it was all Jim . Nothing to do with Todd or Me ! or Roy , Max . or people who really believed at the record co . Or John who got us on Sat. Night Live . Which really broke Bat in May of 1978. History always gets rewritten. Or John Skyes who got 2outa 3 on the radio in Buffalo , where it broke . I have never said, it was all me, my ego is very shallow. I'm the plumber who fixes the sink. Then hope you hire me again.
m
Read This,
This is about right !!
http://www.tv.com/interviews-for-burning-bright/webnews/145908.html
Yes I wear my heart on a sleeve , and am a fighter, hate lies, and people who change history. but a teddy bear. been told by 100's I am too nice of a person. except for mad susan :-) love that name mad susan!!!
MAD SUSAN !!!!! DAM SANSU !! That's a good battle knight name.
M
Thanks for the insight Meat, and you do wear your heart on your sleeve, that's one of the things we love about you. And that's right, you are a teddy bear.
Carole
Read This,
This is about right !!
http://www.tv.com/interviews-for-burning-bright/webnews/145908.html
Yes I wear my heart on a sleeve , and am a fighter, hate lies, and people who change history. but a teddy bear. been told by 100's I am too nice of a person. except for mad susan :-) love that name mad susan!!!
MAD SUSAN !!!!! DAM SANSU !! That's a good battle knight name.
M
Thanks for posting the link Meat :-) That was a great interview and movie.
We know you wear your heart on your sleeve, and you're definitely a big teddy bear. Just keep doing what you do best and having fun .. that's the main thing :))
DAM SANSU :lmao:
Sorry to go off topic :wink:
Vicki
Of course it was my contract. Jim wanted his own record bottom line !! Everyone around him told him he didn't need me !! Oh that's right ! I did nothing to break Bat !! Sorry I forgot, Mad Susan will tell you that it was all Jim . Nothing to do with Todd or Me ! or Roy , Max . or people who really believed at the record co . Or John who got us on Sat. Night Live . Which really broke Bat in May of 1978. History always gets rewritten. Or John Skyes who got 2outa 3 on the radio in Buffalo , where it broke . I have never said, it was all me, my ego is very shallow. I'm the plumber who fixes the sink. Then hope you hire me again.
m
Read This,
This is about right !!
http://www.tv.com/interviews-for-burning-bright/webnews/145908.html
Yes I wear my heart on a sleeve , and am a fighter, hate lies, and people who change history. but a teddy bear. been told by 100's I am too nice of a person. except for mad susan :-) love that name mad susan!!!
MAD SUSAN !!!!! DAM SANSU !! That's a good battle knight name.
M
I'm happy that you came out and told us the facts, because to be fair to us fans we don't always get the right side of the story until you come out and tell us. I wasn't posting facts when I was writing the stuff I wrote, instead I was looking to validate the facts I had. A lot of the stuff that happened between 1978 and 81 have been told in many different ways by many different people.
I feel sorry for Jim to be honest. BFG makes him look greedy, and a glory seeker, but it looked to me like he spent his whole career being pushed into doing things by the people around him, or influenced by others would be a better way of putting it, who wanted to use him. Maybe he was advised wrongly to push ahead and do BFG on his own by Sonenberg or someone else. When I listen to BFG the songs lack the perfection that you would assoicate with every Jim Steinman song released before it and after. I don't know why I think it, but I always got the feeling his heart wasn't in the right place when doing that album, and you would know it by listening to it.
daveake
12 Sep 2010, 18:23
Thanks for the insight Meat, and you do wear your heart on your sleeve, that's one of the things we love about you. And that's right, you are a teddy bear.
Carole
Thanks for posting the link Meat :-) That was a great interview and movie. We know you wear your heart on your sleeve, and you're definitely a big teddy bear.
Vicki
Blimey, are you two the same person? :lol:
AndrewG
12 Sep 2010, 19:02
I'm happy that you came out and told us the facts, because to be fair to us fans we don't always get the right side of the story until you come out and tell us. I wasn't posting facts when I was writing the stuff I wrote, instead I was looking to validate the facts I had. A lot of the stuff that happened between 1978 and 81 have been told in many different ways by many different people.
I feel sorry for Jim to be honest. BFG makes him look greedy, and a glory seeker, but it looked to me like he spent his whole career being pushed into doing things by the people around him, or influenced by others would be a better way of putting it, who wanted to use him. Maybe he was advised wrongly to push ahead and do BFG on his own by Sonenberg or someone else. When I listen to BFG the songs lack the perfection that you would assoicate with every Jim Steinman song released before it and after. I don't know why I think it, but I always got the feeling his heart wasn't in the right place when doing that album, and you would know it by listening to it.
I'm getting the impression Jim is being "pushed" MUCH more now then he was in those days.
I also don't hear the lack of perfection that you are on about. I think the BFG production is superb and only lacked Meat on vocals but it was interesting hearing some Steinman vocals too, I don't think he is such a terrible singer as many here seem to think. Dance in my pants was too childish imo and Stark Raving love was about nothing really, but at least we got a great guitar duel. Other than that it's a great collection of songs and the production on Left in the Dark / Surf's Up and Bad for Good is pretty much perfect I'd say, though the Brian May intro on Meat's version on BFG was a lovely touch. Rory singing on most of the difficult songs ("Surf's Up" in G!!!) is a bit of a farce though. Can't believe they got away with doing that.
the thing I never understood:
If meat hated SRL and DIMP so much, why not let Jim sing those two songs and he do the rest?
and why was the record company impatient? Didnt they realise that they had a bomb on there hands by ridding the album of the main guy?
Man thats the proper term for stupid
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/WarioSmiley.gif
AndrewG
12 Sep 2010, 19:13
If meat hated SRL and DIMP so much, why not let Jim sing those two songs and he do the rest?
Or forget about Jim singing and replace those songs with I'll Kill if you don't come back and Dead Ringer and it would have been pretty much as good as Bat 1 imo.
I'm getting the impression Jim is being "pushed" MUCH more now then he was in those days
The Steincamp have him locked in his mansion these days. They won't let him blog anymore, they won't let him share any info on what he's doing, they didn't want him to share his music even though HE wanted to. They didn't tell the fans when he was sick. He was bullied out of his own musical DOTV and god knows what else that we don't know about. Jim has ALWAYS been pushed around.
I also don't hear the lack of perfection that you are on about. I think the BFG production is superb and only lacked Meat on vocals but it was interesting hearing some Steinman vocals too, I don't think he is such a terrible singer as many here seem to think. Dance in my pants was too childish imo and Stark Raving love was about nothing really, but at least we got a great guitar duel. Other than that it's a great collection of songs and the production on Left in the Dark / Surf's Up and Bad for Good is pretty much perfect I'd say, though the Brian May intro on Meat's version on BFG was a lovely touch. Rory singing on most of the difficult songs ("Surf's Up" in G!!!) is a bit of a farce though. Can't believe they got away with doing that.
Theres no perfection on BFG. Listen to BOOH which was made with little money then listen to BFG which I'm sure had more money, and which do you think is better in terms of quality and production? BFG sounds like it was recorded in a garage with thrash cans for drums. Well you are at it listen to the Original Sin album by Pandoras Box. That's Steinman perfection. BFG lacked everything that you'd associate with Jim's production work. Having Rory doing some of the vocals shows you are unsure about things to... which is something you wouldn't associate with a Steinman production.
AndrewG
12 Sep 2010, 20:29
Theres no perfection on BFG. Listen to BOOH which was made with little money then listen to BFG which I'm sure had more money, and which do you think is better in terms of quality and production? BFG sounds like it was recorded in a garage with thrash cans for drums.
There must be something wrong with your ears or your copy of BFG because the drums sound great on BFG with in fact a lot more dynamics at play than on the original Bat out of Hell.
Well you are at it listen to the Original Sin album by Pandoras Box. That's Steinman perfection.
That's your opinion. AFL comes MUCH closer to Steinman perfection in my opinion.
BFG lacked everything that you'd associate with Jim's production work.
That is pretty much just as ridiculous as saying the drums are an easy instrument to play. The Album is filled to the brim with Steinman-esque production qualities with regards to instrumentation, arrangements, pounding pianos, vast background vocals and dynamics. For it's time it's a fantastic sounding album in my opinion.
Having Rory doing some of the vocals shows you are unsure about things to... which is something you wouldn't associate with a Steinman production.
I wouldn't call that unsure, it is much more striving for the perfection which you say isn't on the album. Yet in that case I think the decision for striving for vocal perfection is insanity when using an artist who is not even credited on the cover of the album. If I buy a Meat Loaf album, I don't expect Jim Steinman vocals and when I buy a Jim Steinman album I don't expect Rory Dodd vocals.
If Meat had recorded BfG (or Renegade Angel or whatever it was going to be called) with a vocal that was as strong as it was on Bat, then it would IMO without a doubt have been the benchmark that every other subsequent artist was measured against when they released their "tricky second album".
...Nothing to do with Todd or Me ! or Roy , Max . or people who really believed at the record co...
Great to see Max, and especially Roy, getting the credit they deserve...Roy Bittan is an absolute hero :up:
There must be something wrong with your ears or your copy of BFG because the drums sound great on BFG with in fact a lot more dynamics at play than on the original Bat out of Hell
That's your opinion and I respect that. I disagree... but we'll move on. ;-)
That is pretty much just as ridiculous as saying the drums are an easy instrument to play. The Album is filled to the brim with Steinman-esque production qualities with regards to instrumentation, arrangements, pounding pianos, vast background vocals and dynamics. For it's time it's a fantastic sounding album in my opinion
You have limited Steinman-esque qualities in the album. It COULD have been a hell of a lot better. But saying it's a fanastic sounding album is going way over the top, it's a good album. If it was fantastic it would have been a success, and it did poorly in the end. Also listen to the songs left in the dark, surfs up, out of the frying pan, rock & roll dreams that were recorded again on different albums.. it makes the quality of the BFG one seem very poor. Yet again that's my opinion.
Yet in that case I think the decision for striving for vocal perfection is insanity when using an artist who is not even credited on the cover of the album. If I buy a Meat Loaf album, I don't expect Jim Steinman vocals and when I buy a Jim Steinman album I don't expect Rory Dodd vocals.
Exactly which makes me wonder why such a thing DID happen on BFG. That's why I think Jim's heart wasn't in the right place around that period.
Fire Ball
12 Sep 2010, 23:26
I'm happy that you came out and told us the facts, because to be fair to us fans we don't always get the right side of the story until you come out and tell us. I wasn't posting facts when I was writing the stuff I wrote, instead I was looking to validate the facts I had. A lot of the stuff that happened between 1978 and 81 have been told in many different ways by many different people.
I feel sorry for Jim to be honest. BFG makes him look greedy, and a glory seeker, but it looked to me like he spent his whole career being pushed into doing things by the people around him, or influenced by others would be a better way of putting it, who wanted to use him. Maybe he was advised wrongly to push ahead and do BFG on his own by Sonenberg or someone else. When I listen to BFG the songs lack the perfection that you would assoicate with every Jim Steinman song released before it and after. I don't know why I think it, but I always got the feeling his heart wasn't in the right place when doing that album, and you would know it by listening to it.
Yes he was pushed , they told him I would never do anything again. They played on his ego to be a rock Star. They could have waited to see what happen , I was working with someone on my my voice and it worked just took about a year and a half.
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Yes he was pushed , they told him I would never do anything again. They played on his ego to be a rock Star. They could have waited to see what happen , I was working with someone on my my voice and it worked just took about a year and a half.
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Epic was not so Epic
Pudding
12 Sep 2010, 23:45
I'm the plumber who fixes the sink. Then hope you hire me again.
How much do you charge per hour? because my bathroom needs sorting :))
I'm happy that you came out and told us the facts, because to be fair to us fans we don't always get the right side of the story until you come out and tell us.
Not true. The 'fans', well the semi-intelligent ones anyway, can determine what is or isn't plausible add it to the possible and come up with the probable. It's people like you who make shit up and twist things for your own agenda...whatever the hell that may be :roll:
Blimey, are you two the same person? :lol:
BORG!!!
If Meat had recorded BfG (or Renegade Angel or whatever it was going to be called) with a vocal that was as strong as it was on Bat, then it would IMO without a doubt have been the benchmark that every other subsequent artist was measured against when they released their "tricky second album".
Agreed :up:
MeatGrl1
12 Sep 2010, 23:45
that is not the truth. didn't like stark raving love or DIMP . LOVE THE REST
get your facts right !!! All they had to do was wait a few more months there was no rush. What do they say" money is the root of all evil "!!
Truth !!
Meat,
I don't want to cause a stir but you did actually perform DIMP with Karla in the 70's !! You can see how some might think you liked it...
Pudding
12 Sep 2010, 23:48
Meat,
I don't want to cause a stir but you did actually perform DIMP with Karla in the 70's !! You can see how some might think you liked it...
He's also performed songs from Bat3 and he's come out said he pretty much doesn't like the album. Just because you sing a song doesn't mean you have to like it.
MeatGrl1
12 Sep 2010, 23:49
I understand that but few don't ;) !!
Meat,
I don't want to cause a stir but you did actually perform DIMP with Karla in the 70's !! You can see how some might think you liked it...
You mean The Goffs in 1988.... unless Im missing something
MeatGrl1
12 Sep 2010, 23:51
I've heard Meat and Karla do it Wario, Karla was with Meat til 78/79 ;)
Pudding
12 Sep 2010, 23:59
I've heard Meat and Karla do it Wario,
KINKYYYYYYYY!!! :))
MeatGrl1
12 Sep 2010, 23:59
:shock: Trust you Pudding :roll: :lol: !!
AndrewG
13 Sep 2010, 10:27
I'm pretty sure Meat didn't do Dance in my Pants till the 1988 tour.
Pudding
13 Sep 2010, 10:44
I think you're correct. DIMP in the 70's doesn't sound right to me :nope:
Maybe she's thinking of the DIMP music video with Karla and is mistaking Jim for Meat?
AndrewG
13 Sep 2010, 11:03
Those videos with Jim sucked big time imo.
Pudding
13 Sep 2010, 11:18
Disturbingly quite a few music video's with Jims music had men dancing around in loin cloths :nuts:
Of course it was my contract. Jim wanted his own record bottom line !! Everyone around him told him he didn't need me !! Oh that's right ! I did nothing to break Bat !! Sorry I forgot, Mad Susan will tell you that it was all Jim . Nothing to do with Todd or Me ! or Roy , Max . or people who really believed at the record co . Or John who got us on Sat. Night Live . Which really broke Bat in May of 1978. History always gets rewritten. Or John Skyes who got 2outa 3 on the radio in Buffalo , where it broke . I have never said, it was all me, my ego is very shallow. I'm the plumber who fixes the sink. Then hope you hire me again.
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Read This,
This is about right !!
http://www.tv.com/interviews-for-burning-bright/webnews/145908.html
Yes I wear my heart on a sleeve , and am a fighter, hate lies, and people who change history. but a teddy bear. been told by 100's I am too nice of a person. except for mad susan :-) love that name mad susan!!!
MAD SUSAN !!!!! DAM SANSU !! That's a good battle knight name.
M
thanks Meat!! i do think you are a bit mad [ but in a nice way ]:lol:
This album should never have been recorded by Jim. He shouldn't have been so impatient and waited until Meat was ready. He couldn't have been short of a bob or two. :shrug:
totally agree
AndrewG
13 Sep 2010, 13:12
He couldn't have been short of a bob or two. :shrug:
I don't know. To me it sounds that with David Sonenberg involved it could end up with the artist owing everyone else money. :roll:
allrevvedup
13 Sep 2010, 13:57
I don't know. To me it sounds that with David Sonenberg involved it could end up with the artist owing everyone else money. :roll:
please let's not get back on to talking about the financial status of an artist regardless of when it was, it was bad enough in the underrated thread.
MeatGrl1
13 Sep 2010, 14:03
Maybe she's thinking of the DIMP music video with Karla and is mistaking Jim for Meat?
No I am not !!
Please don't make me out to be a total idiot, I don't appreciate it !!
I have an audio of the live thing but now I wish I had kept my mouth shut :roll: !!
AndrewG
13 Sep 2010, 14:09
No I am not !!
Please don't make me out to be a total idiot, I don't appreciate it !!
I have an audio of the live thing but now I wish I had kept my mouth shut :roll: !!
No-one said you were a total idiot. Maybe I'm wrong but I can't quite comprehend how you could have possibly have heard Meat sing that song with Karla as she was gone from Meat's band by the 1982 tour and I doubt Steinman would have used Dance in my Pants during the Bat tour as otherwise it would be more widely known. :shrug:
I've never heard Meat singing "Dance in my pants" I doubt any recording exists even a live one. DIMP was Paradise Part II. I thought the title sucked.... "Dance in my Pants" :shake:
The only song Meat recorded from BFG in the early 80s was Rock N Roll dreams, because it was supposed to be on Dead Ringer until they traded. But that version has never surfaced, but I'm sure it does exist somewhere.
I've never heard Meat singing "Dance in my pants" I doubt any recording exists even a live one. DIMP was Paradise Part II. I thought the title sucked.... "Dance in my Pants" :shake:
There are at least two different versions of Meat singing Dance In My Pants live in 1988 circulating, one from Vienna and the other from Birmingham.
Evil One
13 Sep 2010, 14:26
5TPNYD0JACQ
Paradise Part II. :yep: thanks for that.
Please don't make me out to be a total idiot, I don't appreciate it !!
I never intended to make you look like a "total idiot". It was just an assumption as apparently no one knows of such a recording (Meat & Karla that is). I sometimes mix something up myself.
I have an audio of the live thing but now I wish I had kept my mouth shut :roll: !!
If you do, maybe you have further info on it? I don't know any Meat Loaf version of that song prior to the late 1980s, so I'd like to know when and where he allegedly sang it with Karla.
AndrewG
13 Sep 2010, 15:12
That is a great live version imo. Thanks for posting. Must have been great but weird at the same time hearing Meat doing a pretty much completely unknown song.
Paradise Part II. :yep: thanks for that.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what Jim was doing was trying to write a Bat sequel or copy with BFG.
BFG -> copy/sequel to Bat
Pants -> copy/sequel to Paradise
Left in The Dark -> copy/sequel to 2 out of Three / For Crying Out Loud
Lost Boys & Golden Girls -> copy/sequel to Heaven Can Wait
Stark Raving Love and/or Frying Pan could perhaps even be considered a sequel to All Revved Up.
He basically stuck with the same elements and themes. I personally don't see anything wrong with that and think BFG has more than enough exciting and beautiful songs but at the same time I can understand Meat's part disinterest in doing something that is so similar in structure. In my opinion not until Total Eclipse did we get something COMPLETELY new from Steinman.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what Jim was doing was trying to write a Bat sequel or copy with BFG.
BFG -> copy/sequel to Bat
Pants -> copy/sequel to Paradise
Left in The Dark -> copy/sequel to 2 out of Three / For Crying Out Loud
Lost Boys & Golden Girls -> copy/sequel to Heaven Can Wait
Stark Raving Love and/or Frying Pan could perhaps even be considered a sequel to All Revved Up.
He probaly was because it's what everyone wanted, and it's probaly what he wanted to. But I don't think BFG is anything like BOOH if anything it's more like Bruce Springsteen's "Born to Run". Left in the Dark isn't really like Two Out of Three, it's a very very dark track, almost a suicidal one. Lost Boys and Heaven are similar alright.
That is a great live version imo. Thanks for posting. Must have been great but weird at the same time hearing Meat doing a pretty much completely unknown song.
The buzz of excitement was still there when I heard that Meat was performing Bad For Good and Dance In My Pants. Back in those days before the internet we had to rely on getting a phone call the day after a show from someone who had attended to get a set list update, or as a worst case a letter a few days later.
AndrewG
13 Sep 2010, 15:24
Left in the Dark isn't really like Two Out of Three, it's a very very dark track, almost a suicidal one.
Someone needing you and wanting you but not loving you wouldn't drive a person to suicide would it?
Meat recently commented how funny he thought it was that 2 out of 3 was played at people's weddings. Indeed it's crazy really.
Whats more of a straight up fraud of 2 outta three is "why isnt that enough?"
Left in the dark is a betrayal song. a song you play when you feel betrayed or lonely. Its actually a very suicidal track, like Steve said.
I thought the only "clones" on BFG were DIMP (paradise wannabe) and Stark Raving Love (which is in the realm of Took the Words)
i see no similarities between BFG and Bat.
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/WarioSmiley.gif
AndrewG
13 Sep 2010, 15:47
Left in the dark is a betrayal song. a song you play when you feel betrayed or lonely. Its actually a very suicidal track, like Steve said.
Someone being needed and wanted (perhaps "used") but not loved can also be considered as a form of betrayal in my opinion. The ideas are very similar but the songs entirely different. I still maintain Jim tried to stick closely to the same themes on that record as he knew those things worked going by Bat but then they forgot about the main ingredient as they got big headed.
Left in The Dark could almost be considered as the other person's point of you if you first listen to 2 out of 3. It could have been a woman who had someone she did love, who kicked the guy out, who is now left in the dark, feels cheated on and is now driven to suicide. Who knows, maybe the guy's name was Patrick.
Pudding
14 Sep 2010, 00:02
No I am not !!
Please don't make me out to be a total idiot, I don't appreciate it !!
I have an audio of the live thing but now I wish I had kept my mouth shut :roll: !!
I know some of the greatest Steinman song collectors around and they've never heard of such a thing. No one's calling you a total idiot, but maybe you're mistaken with the date?
samurai7
14 Sep 2010, 04:03
In my opinion not until Total Eclipse did we get something COMPLETELY new from Steinman.
Yet that itself wasn't COMPLETELY new, as it pre-dated BFG by a year; an infant version of the tune appeared on the soundtrack to the film 'A Small Circle of Friends' in 1980, along with early (instrumental) versions of 'Making Love...' and 'Loving You's a Dirty Job'.
No I am not !!
Please don't make me out to be a total idiot, I don't appreciate it !!
I have an audio of the live thing but now I wish I had kept my mouth shut :roll: !!
I hope you have the will power to post it on youtube for everyone to hear and love :-P
Julie in the rv mirror
14 Sep 2010, 05:15
Left in The Dark could almost be considered as the other person's point of you if you first listen to 2 out of 3. It could have been a woman who had someone she did love, who kicked the guy out, who is now left in the dark, feels cheated on and is now driven to suicide. Who knows, maybe the guy's name was Patrick.
She didn't kick him out- he's sneaking in the door- he's guilty. She (he) HAS been betrayed...she's angry and hurting... she wants to know everything, but she doesn't really want to know...at least not now, because right now she just wants to feel loved, so she'll put that aside...she'd rather be oblivious...left in the dark. Not suicidal, necessarily; she wants to feel... something.
It's all right there.
And I've always thought that "I bet you've still got a trace of his love in your eyes and you've still got his eyes on your mind" is one of the best lines ever written.
She didn't kick him out- he's sneaking in the door- he's guilty. She (he) HAS been betrayed...she's angry and hurting... she wants to know everything, but she doesn't really want to know...at least not now, because right now she just wants to feel loved, so she'll put that aside...she'd rather be oblivious...left in the dark. Not suicidal, necessarily; she wants to feel... something.
It's all right there.
And I've always thought that "I bet you've still got a trace of his love in your eyes and you've still got his eyes on your mind" is one of the best lines ever written.
I love how you say "she" instead of "they" when the two versions i heard men sing it lol
Pudding
14 Sep 2010, 05:54
I love how you say "she" instead of "they" when the two versions i heard men sing it lol
Try this for size then ;)
st1bTsBQH-0
And there's also a Swedish version by Cecilia Vennersten called Lämnad i mörkret.
Try this for size then ;)
okay thats three versions by men now that ive heard
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/WarioSmiley.gif
Pudding
14 Sep 2010, 06:06
okay thats three versions by men now that ive heard
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/WarioSmiley.gif
LMFAO :lmao:
Julie in the rv mirror
14 Sep 2010, 06:18
I love how you say "she" instead of "they" when the two versions i heard men sing it lol
:lol: I was responding to Andrew's post- he used "she". And, I have heard Babs' version before; don't care for it that much. I do like the video, though- the Kris Kristofferson cameo is cool.
okay thats three versions by men now that ive heard
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/WarioSmiley.gif
Looks a lot like Barry Manilow to me. With a bit longer hair.:lol:
That Streisand version is awful, like Manilow's Read em and Weep, weep I wanted to do after listening to his version. :D
A Slice Of English
14 Sep 2010, 16:22
Quite a few people actually like the Manilow version. Think it was on his Greatest Hits album or something. I would love for some re-recorded versions of those 80's tracks to be done in the future. I would love a new Meat version of Read 'Em And Weep.
daveake
14 Sep 2010, 16:30
I actually own the picture disc version of this ... :oops:
http://991.com/NewGallery/Barry-Manilow-Read-em-And-Weep-39202.jpg
Can't play it of course ... the nose snags on the base of the pick-up arm :lol:
Dave you've gone down in my estimation, there are some discs that need to remain out of even the most ardent collectors collection!
daveake
14 Sep 2010, 16:43
Dave you've gone down in my estimation, there are some discs that need to remain out of even the most ardent collectors collection!
So, you've got one too? :lol:
Nope. I bit the bullet and bought a 7" copy of Streisand's Left In The Dark (13p from ebay if I remember rightly!). But Barry's Read 'Em And Weep travesty will not cross the boundaries of any property I own!
Nope. I bit the bullet and bought a 7" copy of Streisand's Left In The Dark (13p from ebay if I remember rightly!). But Barry's Read 'Em And Weep travesty will not cross the boundaries of any property I own!
So you rent then.:-)
By the way. Who's do you think is bigger?:??::-)
Barry's version of "Read'em and Weep"" is pretty damn good, but I'd much prefer Meat's version. To many instruments making an annoying racket in Barry's version, and it takes away from the lyrics and vocals. Never liked Barbara Streisand's version of LEFT IN THE DARK. That song should only be sung by a man. I'm not being sexist, but it should.
well IFWQ was sung by a woman originally. Same with good Girls, future, and IACBTMN.
and i think left in the dark can be sung by a woman if, lets say, Miley Cyrus took a stab at it.
As for barry, i hate him for RAW. hes the reason Meat refuses to play it live....
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/WarioSmiley.gif
As for barry, i hate him for RAW. hes the reason Meat refuses to play it live....
Did he say that?
AndrewG
14 Sep 2010, 21:27
Why would you let a big nosed plastic guy intervene with your show song choices? :shrug:
Why would you let a big nosed plastic guy intervene with your show song choices? :shrug:
according to the RAW review from the storytellers, he said the reason he doesn't perform it anymore is because Barry ruined it for him.
I gotta find it...
he said the reason he doesn't perform it anymore is because Barry ruined it for him.
Barbra Streisand and Celine Dion couldn't deter him from performing Left In The Dark and IACBTMN but Barry Manilow allegedly has such a huge impact on whether a song is performed by Meat Loaf or not? Reminds of the elephant that's afraid of the mouse. If I had a song of which I thought that someone else "ruined" it, I would want to perform it more than ever.
Pudding
15 Sep 2010, 01:43
Quite a few people actually like the Manilow version.
I like it.
I think Barbara, Barry, Celine and anyone else who sings a Steinman song gets a lot of unnecessary grief just because they think Meat should be the only one to sing Jims songs :nuts:
Barbra Streisand and Celine Dion couldn't deter him from performing Left In The Dark and IACBTMN but Barry Manilow allegedly has such a huge impact on whether a song is performed by Meat Loaf or not? Reminds of the elephant that's afraid of the mouse. If I had a song of which I thought that someone else "ruined" it, I would want to perform it more than ever.
I swear to god i read it somewhere. I just need to find it and ill get back to you on this.
I like it.
I think Barbara, Barry, Celine and anyone else who sings a Steinman song gets a lot of unnecessary grief just because they think Meat should be the only one to sing Jims songs :nuts:
its not that. its just that Meat sings Jims songs better than everybody else?
Barrys is not in the same league, babs left in the dark is ok [ but Meats is better ] as for celine? well Meats version was not produced by Jim, so its hard to say what it would of sounded like? alot better than desmonds version no doubt?
AndrewG
15 Sep 2010, 02:46
I think Celine's version of coming back is one of the best Steinman productions but then it's very close to Pandora's Box. I feel Celine shouts on it rather than sings at times other than that it's great. :up:
Julie in the rv mirror
15 Sep 2010, 04:53
I think Barbara, Barry, Celine and anyone else who sings a Steinman song gets a lot of unnecessary grief just because they think Meat should be the only one to sing Jims songs :nuts:
No, I like Celine's IACBTMN, La Streisand's LITD is eh...but Manilow's RAW is awful, IMO. The first time I heard it, I thought, "I wonder if Steinman knows what that guy did to his song?" :lol: And I like Barry, generally, but that song just defines "schmaltzy" for me. (And yes, I know Steinman produced it)
Ill give barry one nod:
he actually performs it live...
:yep:
Ill give barry one nod:
he actually performs it live...
:yep:
I don't believe Barry's version would stop Meat from singing it live. Meat doesn't want to IMO. Just take a look at the choice of songs he has to pick from anyway. I'd much rather him sing "FCOL", "Not a dry eye", "Where the rubber meet the road" live.
A lot of people see him as the only one who can sing Steinman's songs the best, I wouldn't be to sure about that. He's the main artist for Jim's music alright, but to be fair Jim hasn't worked with many other artists as much as he worked with Meat and Bonnie Tyler. I would have liked to see Rhydian from the X-factor release a cover of Steinman songs. Jim's music is very hard to sing though, you would have to be a tenor almost.
Evil One
15 Sep 2010, 21:29
Rhydian's attempt at Not A Dry Eye was the pits.
Rhydian's attempt at Not A Dry Eye was the pits.
He sang the vocals well anyway. I blame the producer for not bringing it more to life!!!! I'd like to hear him singing FCOL!!! If he can master that he'll master any Steinman song.
I'd like to hear him singing FCOL!!!
:yikes: Everything I've heard Rhydian sing so far sounded like Phantom of the Opera to me, sorry.
If you don't like him how about Russell Watson? Awesome voice and can sing Jim's songs??? If not him then who else?
I'm not that much into opera, I prefer rock. I don't understand why anybody has to cover those songs. I love Meat's version of FCOL, I don't necessarily need another one. It takes more than just perfect vocals to deliver outstanding versions of Steinman tunes.
i hope we are in agreement though there are three songs of jims meat can only sing: FCOL, Objects, and Bat
i hope we are in agreement
Sometimes we are. :D
Pudding
16 Sep 2010, 01:50
its just that Meat sings Jims songs better than everybody else?
Not true :nope: but I'm not biased. There's a lot of great singers out there who can do a fantastic job on a Jim song. Elaine Caswell for a start.
Not true :nope: but I'm not biased. There's a lot of great singers out there who can do a fantastic job on a Jim song. Elaine Caswell for a start.
yeah!! ok if you say so? Objects? Anything for love? Bat out of Hell? FCOL ?
they can be done better than Meat did them? Bonnie made Total Eclipse her own, its true!!
Pudding
16 Sep 2010, 06:50
Objects? Anything for love? Bat out of Hell? FCOL ?
they can be done better than Meat did them?
I never said that. But on the flip side, who's to say that they can't be done better but we just haven't heard it? :shrug: I think it would be diplomatic and fair to say that Meat is the one who's done best versions of those songs...thus far. Would they or could they be done equal or better? you'd be wrong to totally dismiss the possibility.
I never said that. But on the flip side, who's to say that they can't be done better but we just haven't heard it? :shrug: I think it would be diplomatic and fair to say that Meat is the one who's done best versions of those songs...thus far. Would they or could they be done equal or better? you'd be wrong to totally dismiss the possibility.
maybe/maybe not,, i see your point of course. but im only going by what i know, and what ive heard, how many people down the years have tried a Meat Loaf cover? Meat has a unique connection with Jims music that not many, if any connect with the same way. Bonnie Tyler is the only other person ive liked doing Jims songs, ive heard what part body hurts etc etc,, and the first thing i think is [ f**k Meat would take that to another level ]
and i do see what your saying, really i do. but to be honest there are just some songs that cannot be bettered,
daveake
16 Sep 2010, 13:06
but to be honest there are just some songs that cannot be bettered,
Indeed. Like Elaine's IACBTMN. Not that it's stopped people trying.
Indeed. Like Elaine's IACBTMN. Not that it's stopped people trying.
good voice, but not great imo
daveake
16 Sep 2010, 14:03
good voice, but not great imo
No problem. Hopefully you have some opinions that are on the money :-)
I never said that. But on the flip side, who's to say that they can't be done better but we just haven't heard it? :shrug: I think it would be diplomatic and fair to say that Meat is the one who's done best versions of those songs...thus far. Would they or could they be done equal or better? you'd be wrong to totally dismiss the possibility.
I'm in agreement with Pudding because we are on the same wave length for once. Jim is fairly picky with who he works I'd say, and given his age and attitude these days I'm fairly convinced he won't be working with a different artist anytime soon. I won't dismiss it yet, but I'm not hopeful.
I'm in agreement with Pudding because we are on the same wave length for once. Jim is fairly picky with who he works I'd say, and given his age and attitude these days I'm fairly convinced he won't be working with a different artist anytime soon. I won't dismiss it yet, but I'm not hopeful.
well i hope a better version of Bat out of Hell is somewhere out there waiting for you? because it wont ever happen imo.
Pudding
17 Sep 2010, 06:49
I'm in agreement with Pudding because we are on the same wave length for once.
We could NEVER be on the same wavelength. :wacko:
Evil One
17 Sep 2010, 09:42
well i hope a better version of Bat out of Hell is somewhere out there waiting for you? because it wont ever happen imo.
It's unlikely, but not impossible.
2077, the 100th anniversary of bat, well see something major. don't threat. ill still be alive (hopefully) to see it.
then ill bring you all a copy when i get to heaven (hopefully)
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/WarioSmiley.gif
daveake
17 Sep 2010, 11:04
I expect to see you miming to it on geriatrictube
well i hope a better version of Bat out of Hell is somewhere out there waiting for you? because it wont ever happen imo.
I don't expect a better version of Bat Out of Hell to EVER come out. It's just not possible to make it any better than it is right now. I do hope a better version of "Bad for Good" gets released though. It's a lost album in the music world, that had much more potential. If I don't get that I'd settle for a remastered copy of the same album.
I don't expect a better version of Bat Out of Hell to EVER come out. It's just not possible to make it any better than it is right now. I do hope a better version of "Bad for Good" gets released though. It's a lost album in the music world, that had much more potential. If I don't get that I'd settle for a remastered copy of the same album.
the problem i have with the Bad 4 Good album is, that its done in a very campy style. and it badly needed Meats vocals. and the videos off it were yikes!!!
The videos were funny. Jim Steinman standing on that thing that was supposed to look like a rock, trying to make impressive gestures, the half-naked dancers... :lmao:
Evil One
18 Sep 2010, 01:07
the problem i have with the Bad 4 Good album is, that its done in a very campy style.Yes.
and it badly needed Meats vocals.Not necessarily, it could have been done with someone else.
and the videos off it were yikes!!!Yes.
AndrewG
18 Sep 2010, 01:15
The videos were stupid and as Daveake pointed out I'm not sure either why Steinman has an obsession with almost naked male ballet dancers. Not exactly an image that comes to my mind when I listen to his music.
Imo BFG would have been amazing when done with Meat's vocals from '83 onwards and would have probably sold millions and pretty much sealed the deal for more Meat/Steinman records if they at least could let management take a hike.
duke knooby
18 Sep 2010, 01:20
I'm not sure either why Steinman has an obsession with almost naked male ballet dancers.
:whistle:
Evil One
18 Sep 2010, 01:41
:whistle:
Indeed.
I'm not sure either why Steinman has an obsession with almost naked male ballet dancers. Not exactly an image that comes to my mind when I listen to his music.
yea.... :silence:
At least there is a girl in the videos. Or is it a Shemale.:?
I agree the Bad for Good videos were very strange indeed, but what else would you expect from Mr Steinman? They looked cheap and tacky.
The Total Eclipse of the Heart video was done in a similar way but much much better. I've always questioned Jim's sexuality, and his music videos were very gay orientated.
Meat Loaf_fan
18 Sep 2010, 20:53
Dance In My Pants
Rock And Roll Dreams
Bad For Good
Stark Raving Love
Surf's Up
Left In The Dark
Frying Pan
Lost Boys And Golden Girls
The Storm
Love & Death & An American Guitar
PS. Just imagine - this songs with Meat's voice (from 1984). :cool: What a pity!
Monstro
19 Sep 2010, 09:42
Can we keep this thread somewhere near it's intended topic please, thank you
Mr. Happy
25 Sep 2010, 12:40
PS. Just imagine - this songs with Meat's voice (from 1984). :cool: What a pity!
I'd kill to hear Meat sing the original Left in the Dark and Surf's Up D: Even if it was with his Dead Ringer period voice (which really wasn't that bad, IMO), it'd be amazing
I'd kill to hear Meat sing the original Left in the Dark and Surf's Up D: Even if it was with his Dead Ringer period voice (which really wasn't that bad, IMO), it'd be amazing
I wouldn't. His version of Surf's Up on Bad Attitude is brillant I was only listening to it in the morning. I think it's better than the one on BFG. Left in the dark on WTTN is solid enough probaly not as good as Jim version though; which was darker. I would like to hear the original RNR dreams that was recorded for Dead Ringer. I wonder how different it is from the one recorded in 1993, it had a different producer too. ;)
Pudding
26 Sep 2010, 21:56
I would like to hear the original RNR dreams that was recorded for Dead Ringer. I wonder how different it is from the one recorded in 1993, it had a different producer too. ;)
You'll have to explain your theory in how you think Meat Loaf had recorded RnRD for Dead Ringer?
The Flying Mouse
26 Sep 2010, 22:03
You'll have to explain your theory in how you think Meat Loaf had recorded RnRD for Dead Ringer?
:twisted: I'm assuming that it's in reference to Storytellers, where Meat says he swaped R&RD for another song (Dead Ringer For Love?).
He may have swaped the song, but thre is no indication he recorded it before swapping.
In fact, I rather doubt it.
:twisted: I'm assuming that it's in reference to Storytellers, where Meat says he swaped R&RD for another song (Dead Ringer For Love?).
He may have swaped the song, but thre is no indication he recorded it before swapping.
In fact, I rather doubt it.
he says he swapped it with jim during DRFL's commentary on MSO
Pudding
26 Sep 2010, 22:07
he says he swapped it with jim during DRFL's commentary on MSO
So what? did he say he recorded it? You might swap a condom with a tampax, doesn't mean either one has been used :shrug:
So what? did he say he recorded it? You might swap a condom with a tampax, doesn't mean either one has been used :shrug:
wow i accidentally deleted my second sentence:
"He also stated that it was ON the record. and that Jim came and wanted to trade"
I took it as he did record it. :shrug:
AndrewG
26 Sep 2010, 22:13
Those kind of things don't make any sense to me whatsoever. Clearly Dance in my Pants is a kind of sequel to Paradise as is Dead Ringer For Love. It wouldn't make any sense to have either an album with both those songs on it or an album without any of the two considering the songs that were available and the around only 8 or 9 allocated song slots. I think people take what Meat and Jim say as spur of the moment things far too seriously.
Pudding
26 Sep 2010, 22:25
"He also stated that it was ON the record. and that Jim came and wanted to trade"
I took it as he did record it. :shrug:
Can you remember this photo from the Bat3 recording sessions? At the time Bat3 was being recorded Only When I Feel, Elvis In Vegas, I Wanna Be With You were slated to be ON the album but were never recorded.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/NZPudding/Bat3-1.jpg
Can you remember this photo from the Bat3 recording sessions? At the time Bat3 was being recorded Only When I Feel, Elvis In Vegas, I Wanna Be With You were slated to be ON the album but were never recorded.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c131/NZPudding/Bat3-1.jpg
sadly I came here in 2007 after bat 3 was released.
I never saw that before! :shock:
You'll have to explain your theory in how you think Meat Loaf had recorded RnRD for Dead Ringer?
He said on Storytellers he had it recorded.
Lost Boys & Golden Girls
Frying Pan
Left In The Dark
Surfs Up
Bad For Good
Rock & Roll Dreams
Stark Raving Love
Dance In My Pants
The Storm
I listened to Left in the Dark last night. It depressed me before I went to bed.
I listened to Left in the Dark last night. It depressed me before I went to bed.
the magic of music
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/WarioSmiley.gif
the magic of music
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/Deadringerforlove/WarioSmiley.gif
You can see why a bloke went home and nearly done away with himself having heard THAT song.
Pudding
11 Oct 2010, 00:49
You can see why a bloke went home and nearly done away with himself having heard THAT song.
Which bloke is that then?
Which bloke is that then?
A guy that was working in the studio where Jim was recording the album. I heard that story years ago. He had just broken up with his wife, because he found out she was having an affair with another man. Left in the Dark pushed him over the edge.
Pudding
11 Oct 2010, 02:33
I heard that story years ago.
Who did you hear that story off? because I've never heard it and sounds like a total load of bullshit to me.
Who did you hear that story off? because I've never heard it and sounds like a total load of bullshit to me.
I heard it from Jim.
I heard it from Jim.
:yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:
Evil One
11 Oct 2010, 18:55
In the middle of a red hot dream...
As if Jim would tell me that in the middle of a red hot dream in fairness. He told everyone. That story is old.
Pudding
11 Oct 2010, 22:48
As if Jim would tell me that in the middle of a red hot dream in fairness. He told everyone. That story is old.
Where exactly did Jim (I'm presuming Steinman) tell everyone? Sounds like a story you're making up or have twisted to try and sound like a sensationalist. Steinman regailing a story of attempted suicide by someone he worked with after listening to one of his songs seems utterly ridiculous.
Where exactly did Jim (I'm presuming Steinman) tell everyone? Sounds like a story you're making up or have twisted to try and sound like a sensationalist. Steinman regailing a story of attempted suicide by someone he worked with after listening to one of his songs seems utterly ridiculous.
I'm very happy that my facts have been validated. I was telling the truth after all, and I'm delighted with myself. :lol: Never doubt Steve6. Click here: http://www.jimsteinman.com/unknown.htm
Also to quote Scaramouche:
"I have a Fox FM (Australia) radio interview from 1981 were Jim says one of the (B4G) studio engineers split from his girlfriend, listened to LITD about 30 times and then nearly drove his car off a cliff.
I think it's just one of his 'stories'.
Everyone on here should give me a pat on the back, and say "Well done". :lol:
Evil One
19 Oct 2010, 21:45
Will a cowpat do? :-P
Pudding
19 Oct 2010, 22:27
So we have from the Sandy Roberts article:
Except the depressed studio engineer, who listening to a new song called 'Left In The Dark' tried to slit his wrists.
And then a radio interview:
"I have a Fox FM (Australia) radio interview from 1981 were Jim says one of the (B4G) studio engineers split from his girlfriend, listened to LITD about 30 times and then nearly drove his car off a cliff.
Everyone on here should give me a pat on the back, and say "Well done". :lol:
The only pat you're going to get is from a bull ;)
The only pat you're going to get is from a bull ;)
Read my original post a while back:
"You can see why a bloke went home and nearly done away with himself having heard THAT song".
and you replied:
"Where exactly did Jim (I'm presuming Steinman) tell everyone? Sounds like a story you're making up or have twisted to try and sound like a sensationalist. Steinman regailing a story of attempted suicide by someone he worked with after listening to one of his songs seems utterly ridiculous"
The only bull is you, and I have you cornered now. Come on Pud give up, you have been defeated. :smartass:
Pudding
19 Oct 2010, 23:12
The only bull is you, and I have you cornered now. Come on Pud give up, you have been defeated. :smartass:
If you read the article that YOU linked to, nowhere does it say that Jim said that a man went home and nearly killed himself. Sandy Robertson quoted an apparent story but doesn't say from who. Prove me wrong and I'll suck your balls :shock:
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