BooH SACD

[daveake]

Now that I actually have a means of playing SACDs, I've been thinking about getting one of the SACD releases of BOOH ...

... so, has anyone got one and if so, what do you think? I've read differing reviews over the 5.1 surround version in particular, with some people saying they prefer the stereo SACD to that.

These things seem to be rare and thus expensive :-(, so if anyone has one they want to sell ... ;-)

Dave

[AndyK]

I've got one, but haven't got the ability to play it :(

Likewise I've heard mixed reviews from people who have heard it, some prefer the 5.1 version others the traditional stereo. From what I've heard it's interesting to play around with the output from the various channels, as I understand that Meat's vocals on some of the tracks can be largely separated from the instruments.

[daveake]

I've got one, but haven't got the ability to play it :(

Well ...
so if anyone has one they want to sell ...
;-)

Likewise I've heard mixed reviews from people who have heard it, some prefer the 5.1 version others the traditional stereo.

Shame both versions are so rare, otherwise I'd just get both and make my own mind up :-). I've bought a couple of other SACDs, and they've been very impressive.

From what I've heard it's interesting to play around with the output from the various channels, as I understand that Meat's vocals on some of the tracks can be largely separated from the instruments.

Indeed. There's a "centre channel only" mp3 from the 5.1 that was in Pudding's blog once upon a time, and was discussed hereabouts. FCOL in particular shows just what an amazing vocal performance Meat put in.

Dave

[Kev]

Puddin had this as a download on his Blog a while back! It was pretty fantastic to hear just the vocals!
I could do with hearing it again as I lost my version :(

[Cult Of Byron]

Ditto, the hard drive with all my music on crunched to a halt about 18 months ago and I never got around to re-downloading the vocal tracks (Always remember to back up, people!).

I have the SACD but I believe it's the stereo version, they pop up on ebay from time to time, that's how I got mine.

[Evil One]

Ditto, the hard drive with all my music on crunched to a halt about 18 months ago and I never got around to re-downloading the vocal tracks (Always remember to back up, people!).
It's a ~~~~~~~ when that happens. Luckily I found a man with an impressive package!

[dukesofhazard]

I got the Bat and CHSIB SACDs :D They are good & if you get the balance of the speakers right you can hear things that are missed in stereo.

[Kev]

The download was fantastic for that! Just listened to the central channel (pretty much just the vocals) on For Crying Out Loud and they're simply fantastic!
Did anyone manage to get the vocal track from CHSIB>????

[duke knooby]

http://sa-cd.net.customers.tigertech.net/showtitle/602

http://www.audaud.com/audaud/JAN-FEB04/hires/hires3.html#mea

[wolfy35]

I have the SACD and a player

The quality is good, significantly better than anything else available at the time BUT its not as good as some of the newer audio formats such as MP6

The nature of the game is that as technology improves so does the ability to get cleaner, better and more impressive recordings

[evil nickname]

The quality is good, significantly better than anything else available at the time BUT its not as good as some of the newer audio formats such as MP6

Could someone explain to me what this mythical MP6 is? I know of a lot of audio-encoding formats, but I've never heard of MP6, and neither has Google.

[Monstro]

Google has lol

http://www.pmptoday.com/2008/06/12/newsmy-f4-the-first-mp6-player/

[evil nickname]

Yes, I've seen that, but no: Google has heard of some MP6 player.

Try finding anything on how these 'newer audio formats like MP6' actually works. I did. I got nothing.

[wolfy35]

Try finding anything on how these 'newer audio formats like MP6' actually works. I did. I got nothing.

Its all down to money. mp6 is newer and far superior to CD format / SACD mp3 etc. However it would cost the studios etc to switch over to using it and they are arguing that its cost they can not afford in these days of declining sales.

Problem is its a self defeating circle. Unless they invest in a better quality product sales may continue to fall ( Afterall too many people are happy to use p2p software to get music for free at the same quality they would get if they paid )

[evil nickname]

Its all down to money. mp6 is newer and far superior to CD format / SACD mp3 etc. However it would cost the studios etc to switch over to using it and they are arguing that its cost they can not afford in these days of declining sales.

There is nothing to be found on the internet about a 'superior' audio format called MP6 whatsoever, and what you're doing here is just restating the same nonsense you posted earlier. Just admit it: you're making stuff up.

But feel free to prove me wrong with some credible sources. ;)

[Evil One]

Meat did mention .mp6 in a post a while back, but I haven't the foggiest what it is.

[Monstro]

Ok, here goes, there was an article on this on BBC website ages ago but can't find it now. Apparently it's been invented by the same guy that invented mp3's but he's developed it so that it doesn't compress as much as mp3's do so retains a lot more quality, there's also the ability to store much more in the same file such as the vid, song credits etc etc

Wish to hell I could find a link to prove this but I guess you're just gonna have to take my word for it......................................god I hope the whisky hasn't really screwed me and I'm totally wrong lol

[evil nickname]

Meat did mention .mp6 in a post a while back, but I haven't the foggiest what it is.

Well, I wasn't convinced then either, but you got to know when to pick your fights. ;)

Ok, here goes, there was an article on this on BBC website ages ago but can't find it now. Apparently it's been invented by the same guy that invented mp3's but he's developed it so that it doesn't compress as much as mp3's do so retains a lot more quality, there's also the ability to store much more in the same file such as the vid, song credits etc etc

That doesn't sound like anything being even a tiny bit 'newer and far superior' to 'CD format / SACD mp3'.

[Evil One]

So at some point in the near future everything is going to get re-released in better quality and we're all going to have to fork out again? Sort of the musical equivalent of Bluray? :twisted:

[daveake]

So at some point in the near future everything is going to get re-released in better quality and we're all going to have to fork out again? Sort of the musical equivalent of Bluray? :twisted:

It's a tried and tested formula :twisted:

I have now purchased a 5.1 SACD of BooH, so I should get to hear it myself soon. "Only" cost £40 ....

Dave

[wolfy35]

mp3 is a shortened name for MPEG-1 3 layer audio format. It uses a “lossy” compression algorithm that is designed to greatly reduce the amount of data needed to represent an audio recording. It still sounds like a faithful reproduction of the original uncompressed audio to most listeners.
It was invented by a group of European engineers at Philips, CCETT, IRT and the Fraunhofer Society. They worked in the framework of the EUREKA 147 DAB digital radio research program. It became an ISO/IEC standard in 1991

mp6 is simply an updated "Lossless" format that had twice the number of layers available for encoding of information within the same comparative filesize as mp3. It was devised by the same team that worked on mp3. One significant difference is the potential for multi format applications due to it being fully compatable with audio, video and gaming

[wolfy35]

So at some point in the near future everything is going to get re-released in better quality and we're all going to have to fork out again? Sort of the musical equivalent of Bluray? :twisted:

Essentially yes but as was the case with the different HD video formats there are usually more than one contender to be the next generation with one eventually coming out as a winner.

[evil nickname]

mp6 is simply an updated "Lossless" format that had twice the number of layers available for encoding of information within the same comparative filesize as mp3. It was devised by the same team that worked on mp3. One significant difference is the potential for multi format applications due to it being fully compatable with audio, video and gaming

Oh, just stop it. What you're describing here is impossible: you cannot put lossless audio and video in a file the same size as a regular mp3.

Besides that, mp3 is short for MPEG-1 Audio Layer III. Not 3 Layer, so your "mp6 is mp3 with double the layers" makes no sense whatsoever.

And still, no credible source. ;)

[Monstro]

unfortunately not always the best one wins

[wolfy35]

And still, no credible source. ;)

Try a google search for Phillips Research Division and searching for a joint press release between them and the Fraunhofer Society (Software and Systems Technology Centre ) where they describe mp6, its applications and development.

Just because something is at the moment is a little obscure and hard to find on a popularist search engine does not mean it does not exist.

[wolfy35]

unfortunately not always the best one wins

Unfortunately very true. More often than not its down to whatever manufacturer can gain the most support rather than what is the better product

[Monstro]

commonly known betamax was better than vhs which backs what you said

[wolfy35]

What about Videodisc? My dad made the big mistake of buying one and staying loyal right up to the day I played him my first ever DVD

[duke knooby]

until this thread i had never heard of mp6, but i agree, in the technology battle the lesser quality product usually wins... hence we got as mentioned vhs, mp3 and sky + to name a few

videodisc im not familiar with either... google suggests it was read with a needle like a vinyl record...

but laserdisc rocked...im the home of old technology lol

[evil nickname]

Try a google search for Phillips Research Division and searching for a joint press release between them and the Fraunhofer Society (Software and Systems Technology Centre ) where they describe mp6, its applications and development.

I see how you're not responding to any other point, but I'll play along ;) Guess what I found. Nothing (http://www.research.philips.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=mp6&cmd=Search!). Surprisingly, a search of Fraunhofer's site has exactly the same result (http://web2009-suche.bi.fraunhofer.de/web2009searchapp/search?numberOfResults=10&page=1&queryString=Philips+mp6&lang=en).

Just because something is at the moment is a little obscure and hard to find on a popularist search engine does not mean it does not exist.

Just because you keep claiming some magical, 'newer and far superior than CD format / SACD mp3 etc.' audio encoding standard exists doesn't mean that it does exist. Unless you show me a credible source (you know, post a link to it, not 'search this and that site for such and so') I'll keep assuming it does not.

Especially when the technology sounds perfectly impossible. Lossless audio and video that is far superior to SACD that fits a digital file the same size of a run of the mill mp3? Forget it. Can't be done.

[daveake]

Indeed. "Decent" quality mp3 compresses a CD by a factor of about 10, and SACD has 10 times the information of a CD, so that's a 100:1 lossless compression needed to achieve SACD quality with mp3 file sizes. Can't happen.

I can believe it's possible to have a lossless system that produces file sizes near those of a high quality mp3, but only with similar sampling rates and dynamic range.

Dave

[duke knooby]

did you purchase the surround or stero sacd??? 40 quid is cheaper than any i could find ;)

[daveake]

There was a clue in "5.1 SACD of BooH" :-)

Dave

[duke knooby]

oops


(just testing)

[Kai-H.]

I transfered the SACD of BOOH to DTS, so I'm able to listen with DVD-player on 5.1-System. IMO its a nice gimmick, but not more ... ;-) .

BTW: As we discussed last year, the vocals of ELLEN FOLEY on Paradise did not survive complete, so in the surround-production parts of it sang new by PATTI.

Bye from Kai