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nikox1
04 Mar 2009, 19:11
was just wondering when meat loaf releases future singles, what format will they be in? ok there is the physical single release [ coming to an end ] and the downloaded version [ i tunes ] , just this week annie lennox released a download only single, so will this be what meat attempts? would everybody download and pay for a meat single? [ i know myself i would, a few hundred times:D ] jokes aside, what does everybody think? the scary part is if it all becomes download only will that be the end of charting singles for meat or will it maybe help? its all coming back to me entered the uk 75 singles chart at 43 on downloads [ and then rocketed when it was released in shops ]
so what way will it work best for meat?

carole
04 Mar 2009, 23:11
Obviously if that was the only way to get it, I would pay to download it, but I am a bit old fashioned and like to have an actual CD copy, so hope he won't go that road. Plus not everybody has a computer, and it's annoying the way it's assumed everybody has one these days. I only got one a couple of years ago.

Carole

nikox1
04 Mar 2009, 23:52
thats true carole! thats why older artists dont sell so many singles anymore
as the majority of there fan bases are not of the computer generation!! still meats fan base is pretty broad [ so hopefully he will be ok ] thats if physical singles cease to exist?

AndyK
04 Mar 2009, 23:58
Vinyl! :up:

duke knooby
05 Mar 2009, 00:39
Vinyl! :up:

well its the 60th anniversary of the 7" vinyl and who was invited to perform live to help celebrate... for direct recording onto this medium, none other than the duke...the first time this has been tried in well over 30 years...

so lets hope it goes well on fri :D

Sarge
05 Mar 2009, 03:01
thats true carole! thats why older artists dont sell so many singles anymore as the majority of there fan bases are not of the computer generation!! still meats fan base is pretty broad [ so hopefully he will be ok ] thats if physical singles cease to exist?

Well, I am "of the computer generation" but I hate to download music. What do you actually get for your money? A copy of a file, just data! Data that might be compressed to an extent that it sounds crap! :angry: I think it's kind of sad, although I never was very fond of singles (I prefer to buy albums - on CD or vinyl).

But I see that it might not pay off to release singles on CD anymore. The singles shelves in the stores have gotten smaller and smaller, they usually contain the Top 10 and only a few further singles. Avarage consumers hardly buy a single on CD anymore. They just need the song to put it on their mobile or MP3 players, they usually aren't that much interested in high audio quality or what the cover looks like.

Regarding sales figures: Let's assume a new Meat Loaf single will be available via download only. I don't think that it has anything to do with the age of the artist or the potential buyers whether it will be a hit or not. Just remember what happened in 1993. Anything and Bat II didn't become that successful because of the support by a handful of "old" die-hard fans. A large number of young people who had never heard of Meat Loaf before bought the single and the album, due to the quality of the product and excellent marketing.
(Just about a year ago I overheard a conversation among teenagers in a streetcar. They were talking about music - from 1950s rock 'n' roll to Metallica - and suddenly one of them asked "Do you know Meat Loaf?" and immediately someone else said "Oh yes, Anything For Love, I got the entire album, he is so cool!")

Vinyl! :up:

That would be great. :D Although the market share of vinyl has grown while that of CDs is constantly dropping I'm afraid the sales of vinyl singles are too little to let a song climb to the top of the charts. But I hope they'll keep the tradition of releasing Meat Loaf singles on vinyl as collector's items. I didn't buy the Bat III singles on CD but I purchased the vinyl picture discs. (I hope the new album will be relased on vinyl, too, as I collect them.)

Sarge
05 Mar 2009, 03:16
Just a thought regarding why "old" artists don't sell that many singles anymore: Maybe their audience is rather interested in entire albums than in single songs? The main reason for me to buy a single is because I like a particular song but can do without the album. Honestly, a lot of albums by "new" artists contain one or two nice songs and the rest are fillers. :( But when I buy a Meat Loaf album, I know I will like most of its content.

daveake
05 Mar 2009, 08:30
thats true carole! thats why older artists dont sell so many singles anymore

Your logic escapes me, as usual. How does availability of singles as downloads stop crinklies from going to the shops to buy CDs?

You'd have been far better off making the point that singles are predominantly bought by young people, whereas oldies prefer buying albums. This is not a new phenomenon.

The actual difference that downloads are making is that people can pick and choose which tracks they want off an album, rather than having to buy the whole thing.

Dave

carole
05 Mar 2009, 09:02
Vinyl! :up:

Vinyl is no good for me as I don't have a record player. I do buy picture discs but as a collectors item, not to play them. The thing I like about CD singles is that you usually get at least 3 or 4 songs, whereas in the days of vinyl you only ever got 2. The thing with downloading, you will probably only get the actual single. I always liked how they have songs not on the album or live tracks on CD singles, which you won't get if it's only available to download.

Carole

Sarge
05 Mar 2009, 13:42
Vinyl is no good for me as I don't have a record player.

It's good to have one. There are records that sound more interesting than their CD counterparts. I own the half speed mastered Bat Out Of Hell from 1980 and I hear nuances on that record I don't notice on the CD.

The thing with downloading, you will probably only get the actual single. I always liked how they have songs not on the album or live tracks on CD singles, which you won't get if it's only available to download.

Those extra songs are an inducement to buy a CD single. I don't think I would download a single song if I was going to purchase the whole album on CD.

rocketwaveuk
05 Mar 2009, 17:45
all my meat loaf CDs are only transfered to my computer 320 / mp3 and played from there to save wear or damage and output to sa-ak340 stereo max 420w rms never a problem on quality.

The Flying Mouse
05 Mar 2009, 18:07
Vinyl! :up:

:twisted: :DUDE! :metal:

Vinyl is always good.
Especially pic discs :mrgreen:

CD's and DVD's also good.

Download stuff not good :nope:

LucyK!
05 Mar 2009, 18:07
I wouldn't download a single, not because I didn't want it but simply because I couldn't be arsed. I am a complete techno-phobe, I don't own an Ipod, I don't do touchscreen, Bluetooth...none of it, so for me downloading really would be a hassle! If by some miracle I did manage to go to the download site, find the right thing, pay for it and download it correctly (by which time I'm 40!) I'd then find that I had to download some super flash something to play it on...can't be arsed. I would rather go to the shop and buy a CD/vinyl/cassette or otherwise!

daveake
05 Mar 2009, 18:15
Vinyl is always good.
Especially pic discs :mrgreen:

I have some pic discs I've framed. They've never seen a record deck on account of being pic discs being shite at actually producing music.

Dave

The Flying Mouse
05 Mar 2009, 18:26
I wouldn't download a single, not because I didn't want it but simply because I couldn't be arsed. I am a complete techno-phobe, I don't own an Ipod, I don't do touchscreen, Bluetooth...none of it, so for me downloading really would be a hassle! If by some miracle I did manage to go to the download site, find the right thing, pay for it and download it correctly (by which time I'm 40!) I'd then find that I had to download some super flash something to play it on...can't be arsed. I would rather go to the shop and buy a CD/vinyl/cassette or otherwise!


:twisted: Same here.
I wouldn't know the first thing about how to start buying download music.
I still use a CD walkman rather than an ipod :oops:
I even prefare buying from the shops rather than ordering from a company like Amazon (which i've never used :lol: )

Besides the other reasons for being against downloads, I think going to the shop to buy your music is more fun.
If Meat brings out a new release, I think it's better to put on your fave Meat T shirt of the moment, head into town, pick up one of each format the single is available in, and when you've got your records, take yourself off for something to eat (even if it's only a macies)before going home and having a good listen 8)


That seems more of an event than double clicking on this then right clicking on that and watching a status bar while drinking a luke warm cup of tea :yawn: .



I have some pic discs I've framed. They've never seen a record deck on account of being pic discs being shite at actually producing music.

Dave

True.
They might not produce the best sound in the world, but they do look great :rgreen: :lol:

LucyK!
05 Mar 2009, 18:48
I even prefare buying from the shops rather than ordering from a company like Amazon (which i've never used :lol: )


Oh absolutely! Springsteen's new album came out at the end of January and it was lovely to look forward to the release and go to the shop to pick it off the shelf, that's half the excitement for me!

tonyloaf
05 Mar 2009, 19:01
Oh absolutely! Springsteen's new album came out at the end of January and it was lovely to look forward to the release and go to the shop to pick it off the shelf, that's half the excitement for me!

agree with you, nothing better then waiting for the new cd to be released then going to the shop and getting it, looking through the booklet about album info, cds do it for me :)

nikox1
05 Mar 2009, 19:02
Your logic escapes me, as usual. How does availability of singles as downloads stop crinklies from going to the shops to buy CDs?

You'd have been far better off making the point that singles are predominantly bought by young people, whereas oldies prefer buying albums. This is not a new phenomenon.

The actual difference that downloads are making is that people can pick and choose which tracks they want off an album, rather than having to buy the whole thing.

Dave

if you read the above correctly [ theres always one ] i said if you can no longer buy meats singles in physical format [ and it will happen eventually ] are people willing to pay for it, by downloading it?

nikox1
05 Mar 2009, 19:06
:twisted: Same here.
I wouldn't know the first thing about how to start buying download music.
I still use a CD walkman rather than an ipod :oops:
I even prefare buying from the shops rather than ordering from a company like Amazon (which i've never used :lol: )

Besides the other reasons for being against downloads, I think going to the shop to buy your music is more fun.
If Meat brings out a new release, I think it's better to put on your fave Meat T shirt of the moment, head into town, pick up one of each format the single is available in, and when you've got your records, take yourself off for something to eat (even if it's only a macies)before going home and having a good listen 8)


That seems more of an event than double clicking on this then right clicking on that and watching a status bar while drinking a luke warm cup of tea :yawn: .





True.
They might not produce the best sound in the world, but they do look great :rgreen: :lol:

i agree with what people are saying:D [ just want to know if we can no longer buy cd singles, are we all willing to download it in support of meat? ]

AndyK
05 Mar 2009, 19:20
While we're on it, can we have 8 track, reel to reel and Betaamx releases as well please?

The Flying Mouse
05 Mar 2009, 19:35
While we're on it, can we have 8 track, reel to reel and Betaamx releases as well please?


:twisted: Such modern ideas are beyond me :wtf:


I could only listen to Bat III by hiring this guy to follow me around.



http://media.mlxxfc.net/Organ_grinder_with_monkey.jpg

daveake
05 Mar 2009, 20:08
if you read the above correctly [ theres always one ] i said if you can no longer buy meats singles in physical format [ and it will happen eventually ] are people willing to pay for it, by downloading it?

I always read your messages correctly. Unfortunately that doesn't always help. Let's look at what you actually said:

thats true carole! thats why older artists dont sell so many singles anymore as the majority of there fan bases are not of the computer generation!!

So what you actually said was that older artists are (as in NOW) selling fewer singles, because their fanbases are not of the download generation. You did NOT say that they WILL sell less if these artists stop selling physical singles.

So, rather than telling people to read your messages properly, how about reading them yourself to see if they say what you were thinking when you wrote them?

Dave

daveake
05 Mar 2009, 20:10
While we're on it, can we have 8 track, reel to reel and Betaamx releases as well please?

You modernists! What about phonograph cylinders, sadly a much-forgotten format.

Dave :twisted:

daveake
05 Mar 2009, 20:12
i agree with what people are saying:D [ just want to know if we can no longer buy cd singles, are we all willing to download it in support of meat? ]

Nope. I buy (on CD, or download very rarely) what I want to listen to. If an artist has something I want enough, I'll buy it. Nothing to do with "supporting" anyone.

Dave

AndyK
05 Mar 2009, 20:12
You modernists! What about phonograph cylinders, sadly a much-forgotten format.

Dave :twisted:

If there's no harpsichord on the new album I'll be devastated.

daveake
05 Mar 2009, 20:13
If there's no harpsichord on the new album I'll be devastated.

Actually, I do like a bit of harpsichord. I think I may be strange ...

Dave :twisted:

The Flying Mouse
05 Mar 2009, 21:08
I think I may be strange ...




:twisted: Poll?

I'm sure Wario would be happy to oblige :p

daveake
05 Mar 2009, 21:34
:twisted: Poll?

I'm sure Wario would be happy to oblige :p

Nah, it would be a really stupid poll and Wario doesn't do ....

... er ...

... as you were. :-)

Dave :twisted:

Sarge
05 Mar 2009, 21:57
Besides the other reasons for being against downloads, I think going to the shop to buy your music is more fun.
(...) That seems more of an event than double clicking on this then right clicking on that and watching a status bar while drinking a luke warm cup of tea :yawn: .

It's also fun just to rummage in the shop because you might discover some nice items by accident. When purchasing something online you already gotta know what exactly you're looking for.

just want to know if we can no longer buy cd singles, are we all willing to download it in support of meat? ]

No, sorry. I'm willing to buy a physical product (e.g. a CD album) or a concert ticket (as long as I like what he has to offer) but I won't waste money on a download. I also don't think that I have to "support" him. If I like a product, I'll buy it, if I don't I won't.

I'd consider to download a song if it's a good song that's not available on the album but since singles are supposed to promote albums this won't be the case.

carole
05 Mar 2009, 23:15
:twisted: Same here.
I wouldn't know the first thing about how to start buying download music.
I still use a CD walkman rather than an ipod :oops:
I even prefare buying from the shops rather than ordering from a company like Amazon (which i've never used :lol: )

Besides the other reasons for being against downloads, I think going to the shop to buy your music is more fun.
If Meat brings out a new release, I think it's better to put on your fave Meat T shirt of the moment, head into town, pick up one of each format the single is available in, and when you've got your records, take yourself off for something to eat (even if it's only a macies)before going home and having a good listen 8)


That seems more of an event than double clicking on this then right clicking on that and watching a status bar while drinking a luke warm cup of tea :yawn: .





True.
They might not produce the best sound in the world, but they do look great :rgreen: :lol:

Yeah I prefer that too, going to the shop and buying the CD rather than buying online from somewhere like Amazon or ebay, but unfortunately I had no choice with the last 2 Meat Loaf albums, as no singles were released in Australia. Plus you have the added expense of paying for postage so it costs twice as much as just going into your local record shop and buying it. Let's hope the new record company gets its act together and releases singles in Australia for the new album. They seem to forget Anything For Love went No 1 in Australia first before anywhere else in the world.

Carole

Sarge
05 Mar 2009, 23:24
(...) as no singles were released in Australia.

That's strange. He did promotion in Australia, talked a lot about IACBTMN on T.V., as far as I remember, yet there weren't any singles released? :??:

nikox1
05 Mar 2009, 23:37
It's also fun just to rummage in the shop because you might discover some nice items by accident. When purchasing something online you already gotta know what exactly you're looking for.



No, sorry. I'm willing to buy a physical product (e.g. a CD album) or a concert ticket (as long as I like what he has to offer) but I won't waste money on a download. I also don't think that I have to "support" him. If I like a product, I'll buy it, if I don't I won't.

I'd consider to download a song if it's a good song that's not available on the album but since singles are supposed to promote albums this won't be the case.

mmmmmmmm!!!!! so when meat does eventually come back to this site to promote it [ lets hope you wont be sucking up ]:oops:, anyway time will tell?

nikox1
05 Mar 2009, 23:41
Your logic escapes me, as usual. How does availability of singles as downloads stop crinklies from going to the shops to buy CDs?

You'd have been far better off making the point that singles are predominantly bought by young people, whereas oldies prefer buying albums. This is not a new phenomenon.

The actual difference that downloads are making is that people can pick and choose which tracks they want off an album, rather than having to buy the whole thing.

crinklies? oldies? id call those people fans!!

Dave

Sarge
05 Mar 2009, 23:53
mmmmmmmm!!!!! so when meat does eventually come back to this site to promote it [ lets hope you want be sucking up ]:oops:, anyway time will tell?

:wtf: Take it easy. :D I've read the above about five times so far, yet I don't get what you're trying to express.

nikox1
05 Mar 2009, 23:57
we will say no more about it so? have a nice day:D

allrevvedup
06 Mar 2009, 00:12
I don't really get this support meat loaf thing because many of us have spent into the hundreds and possibly thousands to buy albums, merchandise and shows and that if we don't support him this time around we have in some way betrayed him and are not a true fan, which is BS.

Downloads seem pretty common practice now, hell go to tesco's website and you can just about pay to get all the latest singles and the majority of releases by Meat as well.

If I were Meat's management I wouldn't be advising them to go all out to try and get a hit single, if you're releasing a single fine but do not choose the single simply based on radio friendly songs, like it's all coming back to me now and cry over me, actually go and release a song that can rock and has a changed of being respected and liked more then bought by what is left of the sheep mentality people who purchase singles.

nikox1
06 Mar 2009, 00:25
i didnt say anybody was betraying him [ just wanted to know if he released a download single ] would people buy it! im sick and tired of defending myself
do what you want with your money [ i never said what you should or should not spend your money on ] im not in the click, so im not bothering with this!
:evil:

carole
06 Mar 2009, 23:56
That's strange. He did promotion in Australia, talked a lot about IACBTMN on T.V., as far as I remember, yet there weren't any singles released? :??:

Yeah that's true, he did do a lot of promotion here for the album and the single IACBTMN, but the single wasn't realeased here. It doesn't make sense. They showed snippets of the film clip, but it was never shown on our video hits show here. I went to numerous record shops asking about it, and they all said the same thing, in fact shows how little they know, they said no singles had been released at all anywhere, I was going to get them to order it for me, then I found out there had been and got it from Amazon.

Carole