Who's the BEST drummer Meat Loaf has worked with?

Pudding · 10 Nov 2005, 03:34

I think this topic deserves a thread all on its own.

Who do you think THE best drummer Meat Loaf has worked with is? Not just touring, but studio as well. And I'm talking individually talented and not the one who's bashed out Bat Out Of Hell the best.

For me it would have to be Max Weinberg

Pud

**Ankie** · 10 Nov 2005, 08:19

Since I do not know how Max will be playing while on tour I can not give an opinion on that one. But when you have to be on your toes every second of a show, having to mind every move Meat makes, I think John does a wonderful job!! I can not recall John not being ''with'' Meat one time.

To go off topic here for one moment: Of course this counts for all musicians of NLE

DIZZY DRUMMER · 10 Nov 2005, 08:45

JOHN

Pudding · 10 Nov 2005, 09:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ankie

Since I do not know how Max will be playing while on tour I can not give an opinion on that one.

OK, I did say "Not just touring, but studio as well" To limit the discussion to just touring would be boring and I don't really want this to turn into a John Micelli worshipping thread, that can be done HERE

I'm really interested in pure drumming ability. NOT looks, NOT personality and definately NOT a misguided judgement based on a euphoric experience at a rock show, that view isn't an impartial one.

By the way if anyone wants to know what Meat Loaf tracks Max Weinberg has played on and are too lazy to look at their liner notes, here they are.

Bat Out Of Hell
You Took The Words
Paradise
Peel Out
I'm Gonna Love Her For Both Of Us
More Tha You Deserve
I'll Kill You If You Don't Come Back
Everything Is Permitted

He's also played on some Bonnie Tyler songs, but since thisn't about her, then it's irrelevant.

Pud

*AndyK* · 10 Nov 2005, 09:37

In the studio ithas to be Max Weinberg, end of story. SHame that the mighty Max never toured with Meat, that would have produced some awesome live performances. I've seen photo's of Max after a Springsteen show with his hands in buckets of ice he gives that much!

Live it's a **** up between John Micelli and Andy Wells for me ... two different styles and sounds but both superb in their time.

Deb · 10 Nov 2005, 09:53

Who's to say if John hadn't played on them songs that he wouldn't of played them just as good if not better? Or another drummer for that matter.

I agree Max is an excellent drummer but I do also think that John is.

Bart · 10 Nov 2005, 10:13

Weinberg was the drummer at Jay Leno Show or the other guy (I forgot the name). It is very exciting to see him play drums. I think he is the best. He has got his own sound. He is thrilling on Tyler's/Steinman's Faster than the speed of night.
So for me it has to be Weinberg. Second best must be John.

Leah · 10 Nov 2005, 10:54

I saw Max playing with Springsteen about a 2 years ago and he was brilliant live. I think he's an underrated drummer.
John is a great drummer too but king of the studio for me is Kenny Aronoff. I think they all have their strengths and are all equally brilliant musicians but think I'd have to go for Max to play live.

Pudding · 10 Nov 2005, 11:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deb

Who's to say if John hadn't played on them songs that he wouldn't of played them just as good if not better? Or another drummer for that matter.

I agree Max is an excellent drummer but I do also think that John is.

No one's disputing John as an excellent drummer, because he is. But the subject is, who's THE best drummer Meat Loaf has worked with and you can take into account their other work with other bands i.e. Weinberg with Springsteen for example.

Also I think it's important not to throw if's, but's, maybe's or what if's type scenario's into the equation, the facts and facts only should speak for themselves.

It's interesting that Liberty DeVitto or Kenny Aronoff hasn't been mentioned yet and both of those are excellent drummers.

Pud

*Edit: Cross out Kenny Aronoff, Leah was quicker than me in posting

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chrissylf22 · 10 Nov 2005, 11:23

i would have to say John

Winston · 10 Nov 2005, 18:08

Max is the better drummer

Pudding · 10 Nov 2005, 20:23

According to THIS website they have the following listed.

31. Max Weinberg
58. Kenny Aronoff
69. Roger Taylor

No mention of John, Andy Wells or Liberty DeVitto

Pud

Heli · 10 Nov 2005, 20:38

WOOOO ROGER TAYLOR!!

sorry

**The Flying Mouse** · 11 Nov 2005, 00:29

Poll?

Vickip · 11 Nov 2005, 04:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrissylf22

i would have to say John

Me too .... definitely John

Vicki

Deb · 11 Nov 2005, 09:59

Thanx to Heli's post in the best guitarist thread for reminding me that choosing a touring bandmember is just as good as a studio one. As lots of work goes into the studio to make the album sound how it does. On stage it's not as easy and things are more real

Maybe you should start a thread for best studio bandmember only and then a touring one lol.

BTW I know that Pud, Andy and Lep will still say Max due to his touring work with Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce

*AndyK* · 11 Nov 2005, 10:16

Perandtically I'd say that Max is still technically the best drummer - his on stage drum kit is tiny compared to the kits used by the likes of John, Andy Wells, Roger Taylor or many many other drummers out there - to me that shows a great musical talent on his chosen instrument. On a side note - another favourite drummer of mine with imcredible skill is Charlie Watts - the noises he can m,ake with such a minute drum kit are out of this world.

By no means am I demeaning anyone else here - least of all John who is and always will be the best live drummer I've seen with Meat. But I beleive, technically speaking, that the best is Max.

If you'd asked who the greatest was then I'd probably say John - he's incredibly skilled and a top bloke too!

KebLou · 11 Nov 2005, 16:21

Why does using a small kit show his talent? If drumming is anything like guitar playing the smaller the easier.
John all the way.

**Diane** · 11 Nov 2005, 16:48

Live for me it has to be John.

In the studio it's a close call between Max Weinberg and Kenny Aronoff with Max just tipping the scales.

Diane

Heli · 11 Nov 2005, 17:41

Ooo

.......Roger's played with Meat hasn't he..........at the Vegas WWRY party thing.....did he??!??.....

If so I choose Roger

....although.....Patti is part of the NLE....and she's played with Roger......does that count?! :P

Deb · 11 Nov 2005, 19:52

Don't think Roger did play on that song Meat did

They had a few drummers that night

Heli · 11 Nov 2005, 20:06

Brian: Haha, ok Meat, shut up now, the songs finished....
Drummer: Right thats it, I'm shoving these sticks down his throat now!!
Meat: Ha, you really think that'll shut me up!

Deb · 11 Nov 2005, 20:17

fencingirl · 10 Dec 2005, 12:28

it's JOHN, no doubt

RSG · 12 Dec 2005, 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pudding

By the way if anyone wants to know what Meat Loaf tracks Max Weinberg has played on and are too lazy to look at their liner notes, here they are.

Bat Out Of Hell
You Took The Words
Paradise
Peel Out
I'm Gonna Love Her For Both Of Us
More Tha You Deserve
I'll Kill You If You Don't Come Back
Everything Is Permitted

Pud

and the whole Midnight album... to name a few more

10 Nov 2005, 03:34	#1
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	Who's the BEST drummer Meat Loaf has worked with? I think this topic deserves a thread all on its own. Who do you think THE best drummer Meat Loaf has worked with is? Not just touring, but studio as well. And I'm talking individually talented and not the one who's bashed out Bat Out Of Hell the best. For me it would have to be Max Weinberg Pud

10 Nov 2005, 08:19	#2
Ankie Office manager Join Date: 25.04.2002 Posts: 1,883	Since I do not know how Max will be playing while on tour I can not give an opinion on that one. But when you have to be on your toes every second of a show, having to mind every move Meat makes, I think John does a wonderful job!! I can not recall John not being ''with'' Meat one time. To go off topic here for one moment: Of course this counts for all musicians of NLE

10 Nov 2005, 08:45	#3
DIZZY DRUMMER Always Ready For A Bang Join Date: 30.11.2003 Location: Left In The Dark .......... AGAIN Posts: 6,389	JOHN

10 Nov 2005, 09:37	#5
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	In the studio ithas to be Max Weinberg, end of story. SHame that the mighty Max never toured with Meat, that would have produced some awesome live performances. I've seen photo's of Max after a Springsteen show with his hands in buckets of ice he gives that much! Live it's a **** up between John Micelli and Andy Wells for me ... two different styles and sounds but both superb in their time.

10 Nov 2005, 09:53	#6
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	Who's to say if John hadn't played on them songs that he wouldn't of played them just as good if not better? Or another drummer for that matter. I agree Max is an excellent drummer but I do also think that John is.

10 Nov 2005, 10:13	#7
Bart Bald Mega Loafer Join Date: 06.03.2003 Location: Holland, but I prefer Greece Posts: 2,243	Weinberg was the drummer at Jay Leno Show or the other guy (I forgot the name). It is very exciting to see him play drums. I think he is the best. He has got his own sound. He is thrilling on Tyler's/Steinman's Faster than the speed of night. So for me it has to be Weinberg. Second best must be John.

10 Nov 2005, 10:54	#8
Leah Mega Loafer Join Date: 03.04.2005 Location: Cleethorpes, North East coast of England Posts: 1,510	I saw Max playing with Springsteen about a 2 years ago and he was brilliant live. I think he's an underrated drummer. John is a great drummer too but king of the studio for me is Kenny Aronoff. I think they all have their strengths and are all equally brilliant musicians but think I'd have to go for Max to play live.

10 Nov 2005, 11:23	#10
chrissylf22 Cry Over Me Join Date: 24.04.2004 Location: Burnley Lancs, UK Posts: 339	i would have to say John

10 Nov 2005, 18:08	#11
Winston Super Loafer Join Date: 02.04.2003 Location: Lion's Den Posts: 745	Max is the better drummer

10 Nov 2005, 20:23	#12
Pudding I'm A Prize Fight Lover... Join Date: 22.10.2003 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5,532	According to THIS website they have the following listed. 31. Max Weinberg 58. Kenny Aronoff 69. Roger Taylor No mention of John, Andy Wells or Liberty DeVitto Pud

10 Nov 2005, 20:38	#13
Heli Daddy's little internet junkie Join Date: 29.01.2004 Location: Grimsby Posts: 4,596	WOOOO ROGER TAYLOR!! sorry

11 Nov 2005, 00:29	#14
The Flying Mouse Armed ba$tard and Jo's other half. Join Date: 06.08.2002 Location: In the middle of nowhere near the end of the line. Posts: 16,104	Poll?

11 Nov 2005, 09:59	#16
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	Thanx to Heli's post in the best guitarist thread for reminding me that choosing a touring bandmember is just as good as a studio one. As lots of work goes into the studio to make the album sound how it does. On stage it's not as easy and things are more real Maybe you should start a thread for best studio bandmember only and then a touring one lol. BTW I know that Pud, Andy and Lep will still say Max due to his touring work with Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce

11 Nov 2005, 10:16	#17
AndyK Relentless Join Date: 21.11.2003 Location: Over the top..... seeing what's on the other side Posts: 18,694	Perandtically I'd say that Max is still technically the best drummer - his on stage drum kit is tiny compared to the kits used by the likes of John, Andy Wells, Roger Taylor or many many other drummers out there - to me that shows a great musical talent on his chosen instrument. On a side note - another favourite drummer of mine with imcredible skill is Charlie Watts - the noises he can m,ake with such a minute drum kit are out of this world. By no means am I demeaning anyone else here - least of all John who is and always will be the best live drummer I've seen with Meat. But I beleive, technically speaking, that the best is Max. If you'd asked who the greatest was then I'd probably say John - he's incredibly skilled and a top bloke too!

11 Nov 2005, 16:21	#18
KebLou Mega Loafer Join Date: 02.03.2004 Location: The Arena of the Unwell Posts: 3,177	Why does using a small kit show his talent? If drumming is anything like guitar playing the smaller the easier. John all the way.

11 Nov 2005, 16:48	#19
Diane Super Moderator Join Date: 04.02.2003 Location: Guernsey, Channel Islands Posts: 3,462	Live for me it has to be John. In the studio it's a close call between Max Weinberg and Kenny Aronoff with Max just tipping the scales. Diane

11 Nov 2005, 17:41	#20
Heli Daddy's little internet junkie Join Date: 29.01.2004 Location: Grimsby Posts: 4,596	Ooo .......Roger's played with Meat hasn't he..........at the Vegas WWRY party thing.....did he??!??..... If so I choose Roger ....although.....Patti is part of the NLE....and she's played with Roger......does that count?! :P

11 Nov 2005, 19:52	#21
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162	Don't think Roger did play on that song Meat did They had a few drummers that night

11 Nov 2005, 20:06	#22
Heli Daddy's little internet junkie Join Date: 29.01.2004 Location: Grimsby Posts: 4,596	Brian: Haha, ok Meat, shut up now, the songs finished.... Drummer: Right thats it, I'm shoving these sticks down his throat now!! Meat: Ha, you really think that'll shut me up!

11 Nov 2005, 20:17	#23
Deb Mega Loafer Join Date: 26.04.2003 Location: Did I say that?... Posts: 4,162

10 Dec 2005, 12:28	#24
fencingirl Loafer Join Date: 24.07.2005 Location: Germany Posts: 65	it's JOHN, no doubt