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Old 01 Aug 2018, 02:27   #126
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Was it ran by Showmasters? If so their stuff is generally quite poor. Very overpriced for what they are the poor in terms of dealers. Just generally a lot of the same figures over and over and loads of bootleg merchandise.
Yes, Showmasters. I'm sure these things aren't easy to run .. but the failure to make it clear to visitors where talks would be given, where photo booths would be and which would be used by which artist, and where each artist would be set up for autographs, particularly in such a large exhibition hall, was appalling. Some people in that organisation knew this information .. the booths were not suddenly dropped from the sky each morning in a different place, and some information sheets should have been available and communicated/given to the staff they had brought in .. in effect they brought in a mass of temporary staff whose only role was to stand around and say they didn't know. Yet as the artists were running to a schedule the information was known by someone, somewhere.

The "gifts" promised were not issued with the passes one had to queue for, were not anywhere visible, and those who did by luck track them down found they were hidden in boxes out of public view.

Someone at managerial level came in at the end of the talk to ask how we were enjoyng the event. We said "You want some feedback?" and made the point there was no signage, no-one could tell us where things were, not even for eg a list on each photo booth saying which artists would be using each one .. predictably his eyes glazed over .. not interested

It's a shame when an artist like Meat puts such effort into fulfilling his part of the deal that the company making the big money can't make some small effort into providing the paying customers with some very basic and essential information.

It occurred to us that had they needed to evacuate the building any who couldn't manage stairs would have been up the creek sans paddle, given few staff could even tell you where the lifts were .. pretty essential information for those in wheelchairs or on crutches!
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Old 03 Aug 2018, 04:24   #127
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Steering things slightly back on topic, we have a new bio with the promised statement from Meat, which I'm quoting here in the event it disappears:

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The Meat Loaf Experience
With Meat's Official Neverland Band featuring American Idol Winner, Caleb Johnson


Experience the iconic songs from Bat Out of Hell performed brilliantly by Meat Loaf’s official Neverland Band featuring American Idol winner, Caleb Johnson.

Decades of touring and recording with Meat Loaf helped shape these musicians into a world-class backing band. Its configuration may change with each touring segment but it is always made up of alumni spanning the entire history of the Meat Loaf legacy.

Caleb Johnson is the winner of American Idol season 13. His first album debuted at number 1 on the iTunes Rock chart. Since his win he has toured with some of the biggest names in Rock cementing himself as a force to be reckoned with in the music world.

Caleb delivers his own unique and fresh stamp to such classics as “Bat Out of Hell”, “Paradise by the Dashboard Light”, and “I Would Do Anything For Love” while staying true to the essence of Meat Loaf’s delivery.

Meat Loaf says, “It’s great to see Caleb tearing it up with the best band in the world. Until I return from my 3 major back surgeries, I felt there was no better way to take care of my band while respecting my music and, most importantly, my fans. You will love this show!”

This show is created and produced by Meat Loaf’s Music Director, Guitarist and Record Producer, Paul Crook.
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Old 03 Aug 2018, 06:25   #128
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And it looks like may be a date for the show (tour) already posted on TicketMaster :

https://www.ticketmaster.com/The-Mea...artist/2532417
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Old 03 Aug 2018, 07:57   #129
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Steering things slightly back on topic, we have a new bio with the promised statement from Meat, which I'm quoting here in the event it disappears:
Sounds awesome... I especially love the bit where Meat says "until I return" 😁
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Old 03 Aug 2018, 17:05   #130
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"until I return..."

AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 04 Aug 2018, 10:01   #131
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"Until I return ..." - I'm very happy that Meat feels a little better. It's very great info.
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And it looks like may be a date for the show (tour) already posted on TicketMaster :

https://www.ticketmaster.com/The-Mea...artist/2532417
I have a feeling that, that show is a unofficial tribute act, of the same name, but this one seems to be the official Caleb & the NE show -

https://www.ticketmaster.ca/The-Meat...artist/2534057
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I have a feeling that, that show is a unofficial tribute act, of the same name, but this one seems to be the official Caleb & the NE show -

https://www.ticketmaster.ca/The-Meat...artist/2534057
I just checked the venue's website, and it is the official show :

http://www.pennspeak.com/events/2018...oaf-experience
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I just checked the venue's website, and it is the official show :

http://www.pennspeak.com/events/2018...oaf-experience
I apologise and stand corrected!
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Old 05 Aug 2018, 14:46   #135
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Weird HOW this project is getting off the ground, IF it is getting off the ground at all, that is.
They have every intention of getting it off the ground. What has I think hurt them and sent out such confusing messages are the leaks .. mainly caused by one press article, based on someone described as "someone close to the band" and with a slack mouth, which was then taken up and embellished by other media. All has been further confounded by an understandable curiosity on the part of fans and their ferreting about, and a website that has perhaps less understandably so frequently added information but not kept it locked down in the development stage. Nor has the UK promoter helped imo by hopping into a couple of FB groups to comment, and making promises of dates for information to be released for a UK tour leg, and then nothing happens as he said. Nor is it helpful for odd listings to pop up on TM which conflict with what was suggested for the UK by this guy.

Add to this the perhaps predictable issues over deciding on a name that dealt with any legal/copyright points, and that Meat is to some extent still hors de combat as he recovers from massive surgery, and is still in considerable pain much of the time, while Paul is haring around managing what he's doing as an artist plus setting up and planning this new venture and trying to hold it all together .. I don't envy him one bit!

The recent announcement posted above shouldn't have been unlocked and available to public view (I think it's down now), nor should the changes in name, nor the information posted on the management agency. Paul is still working on fine tuning the wording of the announcement with Meat .. and I think Meat has needed some recovery time after his foray to London last week, and a pretty uncomfortable journey back to Austin.

But it IS happening .. it's just a shame that they haven't been able to get everything nailed down tight and then launched it with less confusion and a confident fanfare.

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Old 05 Aug 2018, 15:25   #136
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I apologise and stand corrected!
No apology necessary
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And now the MPI Talent Agency has abruptly dropped the act from the roster. The old profile page on the agency's site doesn't work (the web address referred to an outdated name for the group anyway), and there is no new listing to replace them, though MPI is still listed on one of the two pages open to the public on the band's official website.

Speaking of said website, the Instagram button on that page linking one to the band's social media presence on that platform is now gone as well, with no particular explanation.

Curiouser and curiouser, as Alice once said...

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And now the MPI Talent Agency has abruptly dropped the act from the roster. The old profile page on the agency's site doesn't work (the web address referred to an outdated name for the group anyway), and there is no new listing to replace them, though MPI is still listed on one of the two pages open to the public on the band's official website.

Speaking of said website, the Instagram button on that page linking one to the band's social media presence on that platform is now gone as well, with no particular explanation.

Curiouser and curiouser, as Alice once said...
It’s a mystery box wrapped in a riddle inside of an enigma!
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I think it's just a case of enthusiasm and curiosity, always a heady mixture, compounded by changing circumstances, particularly in terms of Meat's on-going back problems, whilst as I said, Paul is haring around managing what he's doing as an artist plus setting up and planning a new venture and trying to hold it all together in the light of all this, while leaks keep springing from what should be a dam ..
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Well, while I respect Paul's desire to keep the brand running out of love and respect for Meat, I think everyone involved might be better off sticking to lining up other gigs as musicians/artists, their primary talent, especially if they aren't the most experienced at planning and setting up a venture like this. One is not limited strictly to Meat's material just because they've worked with the man for over a decade. For my own reasons, I'm particularly keen to see this succeed, but the way it's going, I'd just as soon wait with the rest of the world until Meat is as recovered from his on-going back issues as will allow him to do things himself.
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Old 08 Aug 2018, 01:57   #141
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OK .. Paul has just posted the official press release for BAT Meat Loaf's Neverland Band, and you can sign up for emailed updates .. The Bat is getting ready to fly again !!! (although it confirms Meat will not be appearing). He's sent me the link, so says .. Let's rock!!!!!



https://batexperience.com/home
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Old 08 Aug 2018, 03:08   #142
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Hope there’s an opportunity to see this in the U.K.
The constant name changing seems a bit clumsy but it does seem they have probably listened to constructive criticism. End of the day the naming doesn’t matter too much.
Listened to that Bat recording again. It’s pretty good and probably one of the best non meat loaf versions I’ve ever heard. Only thing I could whine about is lack of dynamic and depth in drums and probably should have turned up the piano a bit more. Other than that it’s a great recording.
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Old 08 Aug 2018, 03:43   #143
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https://www.aliantegaming.com/whats-...oaf-experience

Tickets for the Vegas Show, September 29th, if anyone is interested!
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This is Paul's press release:
"FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

BAT - Meat Loaf's Neverland Band + Caleb Johnson
Experience the iconic Bat Out Of Hell album and other hit songs performed brilliantly by The Neverland Band featuring American Idol winner, Caleb Johnson.

The Neverland Band includes world-class alumni spanning the history of the Meat Loaf legacy.

In addition to a #1 album and touring with some of the biggest names in rock, Caleb Johnson is the winner of American Idol season 13. He delivers his own unique stamp to such classics as “Bat Out of Hell”, “Paradise by the Dashboard Light”, and “I Would Do Anything For Love” while staying true to the essence of Meat Loaf’s delivery.

The show is created & produced by Meat Loaf’s musical director/ guitarist/ record producer, Paul Crook.

Join us for an incredible Meat Loaf Experience in Las Vegas on September, 29th at ALIANTE Casino + Hotel + Spa. Their Access Showroom is a state of the art, intimate 600 seat theater. Get your tickets now thru Ticketmaster or by calling the Aliante Box Office: 1 (800) 745-3000

More concerts will be announced soon.

Visit www.batexperience.com for more info.

* Meat Loaf will not be making a personal appearance at any of these performances.

On a personal note…

This show, in no way, shape, or form is intended to replace the incomparable, Meat Loaf. That is an impossibility. Any insinuation would be absurd.

Seriously… Look at this man. His accomplishments are mind-blowing:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QGMCSCFoKA
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMRl55U0eDw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VthiKY5GdFs

The Boss is in recovery from back surgery. We want to play. Caleb Johnson is a massive fan.

Please come join us until Meat Loaf returns to the stage!!!"

And in answer to a question about UK dates he said "Joff worked really hard for us on that venture. That's all I can say at this time." So perhaps if they get some shows under their belt and good reviews we may get some good news

They also have a FB page
https://www.facebook.com/BAT-2255629...c_location=ufi
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Old 17 Aug 2018, 01:21   #145
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Further update: the store now has product! A cover of the entire Bat I album (vocals by Caleb, backing -- vocal and instrumental -- by the band, including Steve "Machine Gun" Buslowe himself) is available for purchase for 9 dollars American.

From the previews on display, in my opinion (this phrase added not to sound too "harsh" or "rude"; I'm certainly not "looking for a reaction"), Caleb has a stronger voice than Tyce Green or anyone in the Bat musical, so I know what show I'll be seeing!
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Further update: the store now has product! A cover of the entire Bat I album (vocals by Caleb, backing -- vocal and instrumental -- by the band, including Steve "Machine Gun" Buslowe himself) is available for purchase for 9 dollars American.
I can understand that you, being more of a Steinman fan, might like it, But I, being just a Meat Loaf fan, feel like I have to watch the Gus van Sant version of Psycho. And then 9USD for a copy of something that I have and is already perfect, in my eyes, is a rip-off
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Well, it's a better deal than the other thread is offering, and for that price, you get the album in both high-res MP3 and WAV formats... just sayin'...

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Don't see a point in buying the recordings at all but a live show I would see and these previews do indicate it will at least sound quite good.
And yes I agree with Letsgotoofar. FAR better than Tyce and the stuff I heard from the Bat musical cast. Never understood the fuss about all those singers. Nothing like the epicness that Meat had. At least Caleb seems to have something that heads in that direction.
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No-one will ever do it better than Meat, nor be as epic .. no-one will ever do it as well for me Meat flew onto the stage 4 decades ago with BOOH, passionate, charismatic, and unique.

But as Paul has said
"This show, in no way, shape, or form is intended to replace the incomparable, Meat Loaf. That is an impossibility. Any insinuation would be absurd .." He went on to say that Meat's accomplishments are mind-blowing, but he's in recovery from back surgery and they, the amazing band Meat has worked so hard to build, want to keep playing. They're family, love what they do, but need a singer, in Paul's words "until Meat Loaf returns to the stage!!!".

Two weeks ago Meat said to me how strong his voice is at the moment, but he knows he'll need another 12-18 months to recover and get strong after his surgery .. still he loves that band to death! After his first upper back surgery in 2014 one of his biggest fears was losing the band family he had built and loved so much. I believe that's why he struggled through that last N Americn tour in crippling pain and a back brace. Now he's facing an even longer recovery programme, but he wants to see the band together, delivering the songs in the way he worked to do for so many years.

The way I see it, this is the incomparable NLE who we all love. Meat has said for some time he has a huge respect for Caleb. And whilst the latter could never equal Meat, who is unique and incomparable, no-one .. not the band nor Caleb himself, nor Meat's fans .. expects him to do more than to do the songs justice and keep the Bat flying. And I love that band, and having listened to the whole album all the way through now, I think Caleb does a damn good job .. and hits some pretty amazing notes too
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Old 17 Aug 2018, 04:31   #150
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One drawback I should note is that the full version of "Bat" you hear on the home page couldn't be included on the album. It's a zipped file with hi-res MP3's and WAV's, and the combo of the two, plus album art, leads to an already rather prohibitive file size, and also means if they'd included the almost eleven-minute "Bat," it would defeat the purpose of a "compressed" file, so a "single" edit (a still-impressive 8 minutes and 12 seconds) is what you get when you buy the album.

But... I've left a comment on Facebook suggesting that it would be a nice "good faith" gesture if fans who can provide proof of purchase could get the full track, so we'll see where that leads.
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