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Old 16 Apr 2012, 23:47   #136
The Flying Mouse
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OK, i'll go round one more time, then i'm leaving it alone
Been an interesting convo though


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They do have a choice. It's called home schooling or private school.
Home schooling isn't always practical and private school is expensive.


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Religion has NO PLACE in the government. Or in schools, where you learn things which have value (which religion has none).
But surely this is your opinion and not fact?


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There are various nuts in any form of life. Those who are mildly religious shield those who are nuts. It validates them.
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But the many are tarred with the same brush as the few.
Something the members of mlukfc can identify with at times


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And I don't agree about what you say about the constitution.
We'll agree to disagree on that.

My proof that the legal proffession is nuts at base level is Australia.
The English find a paradise. A vast sun soaked land with golden beaches and set in a sea of the deepest blue.
And what did we do?
We sent our convicts there while we stayed on our little rain swept rock.
If any lawyer at that time was even half witted, he'd have said let's go over there and leave the convicts behind.
Nothing since then has given me any more confidence in the legal system.



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That is highly debatable.

Also, if there is no religion, how can there be sin? Does not compute.
I don't think it's highly debatable at all.
A woman whose religious beliefs forbid abortion is more likely to agree with (and therefore vote for) a candidate who will ban abortion than someone who doesn't share her views.

No banner needed, just listen to the candidate make a speech to see what their views are.
And if you want to stop the use of the word "God" in speeches, I think you are very close to impeding freedom of speech.
Ergo, there is no reasonable or practical way to keep religion 100% out of politics.



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I have no problem bashing any religion.

It just so happens that Christianity is the biggest problem in the US.

I find that Muslims don't insist upon themselves as much. Same with most other religions. Therefore it's worth speaking out against.

I think that all religions are equally dumb.

OK, fair enough
But I still think you'd have a lot more opposition and stigma as a racist or religious hater if you took on a petition concerning a different religion.



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Well, the UK is a NON secular country (officially), so there is less grounds to speak out against it.

Offense is not the word. More like head-shaking befuddlement.
We have the Church Of England, so I guess that's pretty official, so in retrospect I think there would be more grounds to speak out about it (no, I don't think anybody needs to speak out about it )

Again, it just seems that the closer something is to our national identity, the more we fear that it will upset others.

I don't think people in this country would have a problem with athiests speaking out against Chrisianity, but I think their motives would be misunderstood if it were another religion being targeted at any particular time.

Anyway, i've had my say, you've had yours, and we are never going to agree.
Been an interesting chat though
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