Rank the Songs Greatest To Least: Jim Steinman's Bad For Good
 

Bad For Good
Stark Raving Love
Rock & Roll Dreams
Left In The Dark
Surfs Up
Lost Boys & Golden Girls
Dance In My Pants
The Storm
Frying Pan

Rock and Roll Dreams
Bad for Good
Surf's Up
Left in the Dark
Frying Pan
Stark Raving Love
Dance in My Pants
Lost Boys and Golden Girls
The Storm
Love & Death & An American Guitar

Surf's Up
Left in the Dark
Stark Raving Love
Out of the Frying Pan (And Into The Fire)
Lost Boys and Golden Girls
Rock and Roll Dreams Come Through
Bad for Good
Dance in My Pants
The Storm
Love & Death & An American Guitar

All are Fantastic. Just press random.:D

Bad For Good
Dance in my Pants
Out of the Frying Pan (And Into the Fire)
Left in the Dark
Stark Raving Love
Lost Boys and Golden Girls
Surf's Up
Rock and Roll Dreams Come Through
The Storm

Left in the Dark
Bad for Good
Surfs Up
Rock N Roll Dreams
Stark Raving Love
Out of the Frying Pan
Dance in my Pance
The Storm
Lost Boys and Golden Girls

Bad For Good
Out Of The Frying Pan
Left In The Dark
Surf's Up
Rock And Roll Dreams
Dance In My Pants
Stark Raving Love
Lost Boys & Golden Girls
The Storm
Love, Death And An Amercian Guitar

This album should have been called "Renegade Angel" who knows what the songs could have been like had the song book not being stolen. Some thief is sitting at home with Jim Steinman's lost works. It's probaly hidden in some attic never to be found again. :(

Bad For Good
Left In The Dark
The Storm
Lost Boys & Golden Girls
Frying Pan
Rock & Roll Dreams
Surfs Up
Love, Death And An American Guitar
Dance In My Pants


(and by a country mile, last and certainly least)
Stark Raving Love

Ah yes the song that was recycled into "Holding Out for a Hero". I quiet liked it though. ;)

This album should never have been recorded by Jim. He shouldn't have been so impatient and waited until Meat was ready. He couldn't have been short of a bob or two. :shrug:

This is true. if he waited two years, by 1983 Meat was back and better then ever and then improved more drastically in 1985.

But I believe it was the record company, not Jim himself, that was rushing production. The Record company wasn't patient and Jim was under contract.

its still one of the most tragic stories in music history. This album had so much potential.

The record company had Dead Ringer to keep them happy. I think BFG was just arrogance on Jim's part.

Meat's voice was gone and he was suffering a mental breakdown around that period too. It certainly wasn't any of Jim's fault. The record company were demanding a follow up to BOOH and Jim had to record Bad for Good himself, because Meat was in no position mentally or vocally to do so. Plus his relationship with Jim was starting to show cracks. Jim either released Bad for good or got his ass sued. You can't say "Oh he should have waited a few years"; when you are contracted to release a record by your record company you bloody well have to. They can buy and sell your ass in a heartbeat. We all know Jim could wait a decade or two to release an album, but Bad For Good had to be done. End of story.

Jim is a good singer, but he was no where near as good as Meat Loaf. I liked BFG for what it was, but it could have been better. Meat from my understanding hated all the songs on Bad for Good when he heard them at the time. Even though he did record most of them in later years.

Who gives you your information or do you just make shit up?

Jim DIDN'T have to record Bad For Good at all. As Evil One mentions, it was arrogance on Jims part that he did.

But Meat WAS to record BFG. He even recorded a few tracks..but his voice was shot, and he had a nervous breakdown. This was all well documented as you know, and Jim had to step in and fill his shoes.

No he didn't, because Meat did record Dead Ringer. Jim chose to step into Meat's shoes.

cause he couldn't bare those songs to go unheard?

cause he was upset at meats billing as no.1?

who knows... all we can do is speculate at something we know ~~~~~~ all about

Make your mind up, was it a mental or nervous breakdown :shrug: which one are you having at the monet?

I think I've read Jim give the answer as option one, but I would suspect a bit of option two must have came into it. Jim has always played the waiting game with everything else.

thats what i was thinkin... he's not known for being one to get the music pushed out as it HAS to be heard.. just speculation of course

He was forced to step into Meat's shoes because Meat couldn't record BFG. They were both tied down to record it originally by the record company...but Meat had problems, and had to pull out leaving Jim to tie up the loose ends. That was NOT Jim's choice...the record company were planning the release of the record long before Meat pulled out. When he did the situation never changed; a record had to hit the shelves.

Pudding a nervous breakdown and a mental breakdown are the same thing anyway. :lmao::lmao::lmao:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_breakdown

But Meat recorded Dead ~~~~ing Ringer at the same time! You are inventing facts to suit your arguement. :wall:

can people please rank the songs G-L?

spot the wannabe mod

ive a question though...

are the songs being ranked as songs, or are the songs being ranked as that version of the song?

He HAS an argument :wtf: I thought he was just talking shit :shrug:

that version of the song of course ;)

thats why frying pan is dead last. its not a jim song jim can sing

But the arrangement is far superior to that of Bat 2. It's a shame about the singing though.

what about the jim songs rory sang? are they included?

My rating is the whole lot is shite, sorry but imo Jim can't sing, i listened to it a few times, but just did nowt for me !

However as a songwriter Jim is immense !

of course

I've but forward some facts which are the truth in my opinion, and I'm leaving it at that. Jim didn't get greedy or look for self glory. The gun was put to his head and he had to release the album. An album that Meat Loaf didn't like and probaly didn't want to record anyway even though he couldn't. If Jim was becoming so self obsessed and wanting all the attention for himself why give Meat Loaf a whole album of songs to record?

Research the meaning of these three words. It is important.

What about the songs Jim didn't sing on?

I don't really think much to Rory Dodd's singing either if I'm honest.

I have to say when I heard the record I thought it was Jim all the way through. His voice is identical to Rory Dodds. You can paint both of them with the same brush to be fair. :yep:

*Recalling Bad For Good*: Great songs, weak vocals, risible videos.

To be fair its 2 years since i listened to it, what i should have said was that i think Jim can't sing. I do remember the duet Karla did Dance in My Pants i thought was canny. In honesty i suppose i need to listen to it again and then comment on what i thought of the songs that Jim didn't sing on. I just couldn't get into it much, so did not perserve with it.

I think the overall quality of the production is not on a par with Bat Out Of Hell. It may not have been done on the cheap, but it sort of sounds like it.

I agree with that totally, and the one thing that annoyed me most when listening to the record was the drums. They sounded like thrash cans, and were way to overwhelming to be honest.

Nothing that you wrote is true ! About the record Co. or being sued. Jim was not on the contract. End of story, BS

That's hardly a revelation. Steve6 is very temperamental, that's 50% temper and 50% mental...LOL

So much for his "common sense". :))

MOST OF THE ALBUM IS RORY !!

I thought it was about half and half? Either way Jim should have stuck to writing and left the singing to those who can actually sing. :twisted:

Who was Milli and who was Vanilli?:??::shock::lol:

What is the truth then? Wasn't Bad for Good supposed to be Renegade Angel? Didn' the original songbook get stolen? Did Jim get greedy and go for self glory on BFG? You did say you hated the songs on BFG!!

We should put you in touch with Mad Susan from Rockman. She'd put you straight ... :lmao:

JIM:
Bad For Good
Stark Raving Love
Left In The Dark
Dance In My Pants
Frying Pan

RORY:
Lost Boys & Golden Girls
Surfs Up
Rock & Roll Dreams

most of the lead is jim, but rory is on every track (as BG Vocal)

If you got told the truth would you believe it? Seems lately you you have an agenda on versions of facts.

:yep:

The facts of BFG were disputed by me, because a lot of the sources that I heard my info from were reliable.

Meat Loaf didn't like the songs on BFG he said that himself that's not a lie.
Meat Loaf lost his voice around that period, and couldn't sing the songs..that was well documented.
His relationship with Jim Steinman was starting to show cracks...that was also well documented..
I thought I was right about the contract, but Fireball cleared that up for me. Jim wasn't on the contract.

But one thing that confuses me... Meat must have been on the contract to sing BFG aka Renegade Angel, because it WAS planned as the follow up to BOOH. I can't see why Jim would plan to do BFG without Meat. But the question is did Jim really get greedy then??? and go for self glory?? It could be something that will never get answered.

i bet meat wished he knew he was contracted to sing bfg/renegade angel :lmao:

Only the one?

Well I can only think of the one thing at the minute. But do you think he was originally contracted to sing BFG?

Why don't you ask Meat or Jim? You are just fuelling all sorts of conspiracies and rumours. No wonder Meat told you, you were wrong.

Back to ranking:

Left In The Dark
Bad For Good
Surfs Up
Frying Pan
Rock & Roll Dreams
Dance In My Pants
The Storm
Love and Death and an American Guitar
Stark Raving Love
Lost Boys & Golden Girls

that is not the truth. didn't like stark raving love or DIMP . LOVE THE REST
get your facts right !!! All they had to do was wait a few more months there was no rush. What do they say" money is the root of all evil "!!
Truth !!

Mad Susan ,LOL tell her to glad in the same clothes she got mad in. Or go into rehab. The Pool at the Hardrock in vegas and get laid and drunk. Maybe she doesn't have a beach body like I do. !! :-)
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Of course it was my contract. Jim wanted his own record bottom line !! Everyone around him told him he didn't need me !! Oh that's right ! I did nothing to break Bat !! Sorry I forgot, Mad Susan will tell you that it was all Jim . Nothing to do with Todd or Me ! or Roy , Max . or people who really believed at the record co . Or John who got us on Sat. Night Live . Which really broke Bat in May of 1978. History always gets rewritten. Or John Skyes who got 2outa 3 on the radio in Buffalo , where it broke . I have never said, it was all me, my ego is very shallow. I'm the plumber who fixes the sink. Then hope you hire me again.
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Read This,
This is about right !!
http://www.tv.com/interviews-for-bur...ws/145908.html

Yes I wear my heart on a sleeve , and am a fighter, hate lies, and people who change history. but a teddy bear. been told by 100's I am too nice of a person. except for mad susan :-) love that name mad susan!!!
MAD SUSAN !!!!! DAM SANSU !! That's a good battle knight name.
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Meat. Maybe back in 1981 you could have used the best songs off Bad For Good and the best songs off Deadringer and called it Badringer, a double album. The first record sung by you and the second record by Jim. Just a thought.:D:-):??:

Looks like she only managed 1 outta 3 but it didn't work :-( :lol:

Thanks for the insight Meat, and you do wear your heart on your sleeve, that's one of the things we love about you. And that's right, you are a teddy bear.

Carole

Thanks for posting the link Meat :-) That was a great interview and movie.
We know you wear your heart on your sleeve, and you're definitely a big teddy bear. Just keep doing what you do best and having fun .. that's the main thing :))

DAM SANSU :lmao:

Sorry to go off topic :wink:
Vicki

I'm happy that you came out and told us the facts, because to be fair to us fans we don't always get the right side of the story until you come out and tell us. I wasn't posting facts when I was writing the stuff I wrote, instead I was looking to validate the facts I had. A lot of the stuff that happened between 1978 and 81 have been told in many different ways by many different people.
I feel sorry for Jim to be honest. BFG makes him look greedy, and a glory seeker, but it looked to me like he spent his whole career being pushed into doing things by the people around him, or influenced by others would be a better way of putting it, who wanted to use him. Maybe he was advised wrongly to push ahead and do BFG on his own by Sonenberg or someone else. When I listen to BFG the songs lack the perfection that you would assoicate with every Jim Steinman song released before it and after. I don't know why I think it, but I always got the feeling his heart wasn't in the right place when doing that album, and you would know it by listening to it.

Blimey, are you two the same person? :lol:

I'm getting the impression Jim is being "pushed" MUCH more now then he was in those days.

I also don't hear the lack of perfection that you are on about. I think the BFG production is superb and only lacked Meat on vocals but it was interesting hearing some Steinman vocals too, I don't think he is such a terrible singer as many here seem to think. Dance in my pants was too childish imo and Stark Raving love was about nothing really, but at least we got a great guitar duel. Other than that it's a great collection of songs and the production on Left in the Dark / Surf's Up and Bad for Good is pretty much perfect I'd say, though the Brian May intro on Meat's version on BFG was a lovely touch. Rory singing on most of the difficult songs ("Surf's Up" in G!!!) is a bit of a farce though. Can't believe they got away with doing that.

the thing I never understood:

If meat hated SRL and DIMP so much, why not let Jim sing those two songs and he do the rest?

and why was the record company impatient? Didnt they realise that they had a bomb on there hands by ridding the album of the main guy?

Man thats the proper term for stupid

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Or forget about Jim singing and replace those songs with I'll Kill if you don't come back and Dead Ringer and it would have been pretty much as good as Bat 1 imo.

The Steincamp have him locked in his mansion these days. They won't let him blog anymore, they won't let him share any info on what he's doing, they didn't want him to share his music even though HE wanted to. They didn't tell the fans when he was sick. He was bullied out of his own musical DOTV and god knows what else that we don't know about. Jim has ALWAYS been pushed around.

Theres no perfection on BFG. Listen to BOOH which was made with little money then listen to BFG which I'm sure had more money, and which do you think is better in terms of quality and production? BFG sounds like it was recorded in a garage with thrash cans for drums. Well you are at it listen to the Original Sin album by Pandoras Box. That's Steinman perfection. BFG lacked everything that you'd associate with Jim's production work. Having Rory doing some of the vocals shows you are unsure about things to... which is something you wouldn't associate with a Steinman production.

There must be something wrong with your ears or your copy of BFG because the drums sound great on BFG with in fact a lot more dynamics at play than on the original Bat out of Hell.
That's your opinion. AFL comes MUCH closer to Steinman perfection in my opinion.
That is pretty much just as ridiculous as saying the drums are an easy instrument to play. The Album is filled to the brim with Steinman-esque production qualities with regards to instrumentation, arrangements, pounding pianos, vast background vocals and dynamics. For it's time it's a fantastic sounding album in my opinion.
I wouldn't call that unsure, it is much more striving for the perfection which you say isn't on the album. Yet in that case I think the decision for striving for vocal perfection is insanity when using an artist who is not even credited on the cover of the album. If I buy a Meat Loaf album, I don't expect Jim Steinman vocals and when I buy a Jim Steinman album I don't expect Rory Dodd vocals.

If Meat had recorded BfG (or Renegade Angel or whatever it was going to be called) with a vocal that was as strong as it was on Bat, then it would IMO without a doubt have been the benchmark that every other subsequent artist was measured against when they released their "tricky second album".

Great to see Max, and especially Roy, getting the credit they deserve...Roy Bittan is an absolute hero :up:

That's your opinion and I respect that. I disagree... but we'll move on. ;-)

You have limited Steinman-esque qualities in the album. It COULD have been a hell of a lot better. But saying it's a fanastic sounding album is going way over the top, it's a good album. If it was fantastic it would have been a success, and it did poorly in the end. Also listen to the songs left in the dark, surfs up, out of the frying pan, rock & roll dreams that were recorded again on different albums.. it makes the quality of the BFG one seem very poor. Yet again that's my opinion.

Exactly which makes me wonder why such a thing DID happen on BFG. That's why I think Jim's heart wasn't in the right place around that period.

Yes he was pushed , they told him I would never do anything again. They played on his ego to be a rock Star. They could have waited to see what happen , I was working with someone on my my voice and it worked just took about a year and a half.
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Epic was not so Epic

How much do you charge per hour? because my bathroom needs sorting :))

Not true. The 'fans', well the semi-intelligent ones anyway, can determine what is or isn't plausible add it to the possible and come up with the probable. It's people like you who make shit up and twist things for your own agenda...whatever the hell that may be :roll:

BORG!!!

Agreed :up:

Meat,
I don't want to cause a stir but you did actually perform DIMP with Karla in the 70's !! You can see how some might think you liked it...

He's also performed songs from Bat3 and he's come out said he pretty much doesn't like the album. Just because you sing a song doesn't mean you have to like it.

I understand that but few don't ;) !!

You mean The Goffs in 1988.... unless Im missing something

I've heard Meat and Karla do it Wario, Karla was with Meat til 78/79 ;)

KINKYYYYYYYY!!! :))

:shock: Trust you Pudding :roll: :lol: !!

I'm pretty sure Meat didn't do Dance in my Pants till the 1988 tour.

I think you're correct. DIMP in the 70's doesn't sound right to me :nope:

Maybe she's thinking of the DIMP music video with Karla and is mistaking Jim for Meat?

Those videos with Jim sucked big time imo.

Disturbingly quite a few music video's with Jims music had men dancing around in loin cloths :nuts:

thanks Meat!! i do think you are a bit mad [ but in a nice way ]:lol:

totally agree

I don't know. To me it sounds that with David Sonenberg involved it could end up with the artist owing everyone else money. :roll:

please let's not get back on to talking about the financial status of an artist regardless of when it was, it was bad enough in the underrated thread.

No I am not !!
Please don't make me out to be a total idiot, I don't appreciate it !!
I have an audio of the live thing but now I wish I had kept my mouth shut :roll: !!

No-one said you were a total idiot. Maybe I'm wrong but I can't quite comprehend how you could have possibly have heard Meat sing that song with Karla as she was gone from Meat's band by the 1982 tour and I doubt Steinman would have used Dance in my Pants during the Bat tour as otherwise it would be more widely known. :shrug:

I've never heard Meat singing "Dance in my pants" I doubt any recording exists even a live one. DIMP was Paradise Part II. I thought the title sucked.... "Dance in my Pants" :shake:

The only song Meat recorded from BFG in the early 80s was Rock N Roll dreams, because it was supposed to be on Dead Ringer until they traded. But that version has never surfaced, but I'm sure it does exist somewhere.

There are at least two different versions of Meat singing Dance In My Pants live in 1988 circulating, one from Vienna and the other from Birmingham.

YouTube Video

Paradise Part II. :yep: thanks for that.

I never intended to make you look like a "total idiot". It was just an assumption as apparently no one knows of such a recording (Meat & Karla that is). I sometimes mix something up myself.

If you do, maybe you have further info on it? I don't know any Meat Loaf version of that song prior to the late 1980s, so I'd like to know when and where he allegedly sang it with Karla.

That is a great live version imo. Thanks for posting. Must have been great but weird at the same time hearing Meat doing a pretty much completely unknown song.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what Jim was doing was trying to write a Bat sequel or copy with BFG.
BFG -> copy/sequel to Bat
Pants -> copy/sequel to Paradise
Left in The Dark -> copy/sequel to 2 out of Three / For Crying Out Loud
Lost Boys & Golden Girls -> copy/sequel to Heaven Can Wait
Stark Raving Love and/or Frying Pan could perhaps even be considered a sequel to All Revved Up.

He basically stuck with the same elements and themes. I personally don't see anything wrong with that and think BFG has more than enough exciting and beautiful songs but at the same time I can understand Meat's part disinterest in doing something that is so similar in structure. In my opinion not until Total Eclipse did we get something COMPLETELY new from Steinman.